Re: What am I supposed to do with Shamen?
 

Unfortunately all those nice things that you can now do with the keeper were things you could already do with either a heriodule or a saromancer.

Losing all your nature and astral magic sucks. No amulet of MR, no pendant of luck, no magic deul, no arcane probing, no communion (ergo no relief, astral healing, antimagic). He's not better than the shaman.

Re: What am I supposed to do with Shamen?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You still have all of these ones through the randoms on your sauromancers.

Re: What am I supposed to do with Shamen?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Fine Graeme. But the next time you cast relief with a saromancer, be sure to let me know.

Re: What am I supposed to do with Shamen?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Does being a patronizing ******* come naturally to you, or do you have to work at it?

You'll notice that I specifically kept only those things that could be done with either 1 nature or 1 astral.

Re: What am I supposed to do with Shamen?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The point is that losing the shaman is a negative, and gaining the keeper is a small consolation. By implying that the random pick of the Sauromancer could make up for this loss, you mislead players. And yes, if you continue to nit-pick my Posts, I suppose I'll have to continue to patronize you.

Re: What am I supposed to do with Shamen?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, by pointing out that the sauromancer can forge the astral 1 items and cast the searching spell I'm correcting your mistake. Incorrect information is useless information.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's nice to see that you're committed to making worthless Posts. You made a statement that just so happened to be completely wrong, so you'll have to expect people to call you on it. There's an awful lot of people who read these Posts and use the information for their own purposes, so its vital that the correct information be presented.

Re: What am I supposed to do with Shamen?
 

You speak as if Sauromancers came with a guaranteed astral or nature pick.

There's a 1 in 8 chance, I've had games where I've waited until far into the midgame before getting a mage with the appropriate skill. In fact, there's an extremely small chance that you may NEVER get an astral mage. Sure, eventually you are probably going to get one... but it's not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination.

Additionally, neither the keeper or sauromancer will ever be a decent communion slave, be able to cast healing light or contact couatil. The keeper does nothing that your sauromancers could not already do.. save banish and build temples.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You tell me how that is misleading. You tell me how your keeper is going to forge astral items. The fact that the Sauromancer has a random pick is irrelevant. He always had a random pick. The point is that the keeper is less useful than the shaman. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

[ June 22, 2004, 00:44: Message edited by: Blitz ]

Re: What am I supposed to do with Shamen?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">"Losing all your nature and astral magic sucks.No amulet of MR, no pendant of luck, no magic deul, no arcane probing,"

Since you still have easy access to all of these things (With the standard multiple sauromancer per turn recruitment), you hardly lose all of your nature and astral magic. It's as silly as saying that Abysia has no access to water magic. They do, it just takes a while sometimes for it to show up.

Desert tombs also doesn't really need communion that badly, since they have death 3 and 4 mages, that can cast drain life to keep their fatigue within reasonable levels.

[ June 22, 2004, 01:12: Message edited by: Graeme Dice ]

Re: What am I supposed to do with Shamen?
 

Just thought I'd find this (page 3) to state:

I LOVE Shamen now!

Healing! Healing! Forging! Healing! Searching! Forging! Summoning! Yum....

thanks for enlightening me!