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Not a technology/tactics/etc related post -- but Syria has a new flag apparently:

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1866035693383770408

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I have it set up as a "light tank" at the same speed as normal infantry ( 6) and it is included with a special infantry unit that also has a drone option which makes it an "interesting" unit
Armour is 1 all around so it's a MG unit but with enough armour that small arms will not harm it

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Yep, we already have the change made but exactly which flag will be chosen is not clear. Right now they are back to the one from the first ten years of the game which is the one shown in that photo and others BUT that might change..... maybe

So that "new flag of Syria" is not new at all It's the one used before the Baathists took over

Set up a battle with Syria between 1948 and March 1958 and you will see the "new" flag

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https://x.com/AirPowerNEW1/status/18...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

https://www.anduril.com/roadrunner/

Roadrunner-M is essentially a reusable MANPAD. :shock: You can launch it at an unknown threat, and if it misses or if the threat is identified as a friendly, it can be recovered for a second mission.

Pulsar is a modular software defined EW system that can be quickly attached to vehicles as needed.

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THAT is one very cool "toy"


They have many others under development as well ----6 air systems and two underwater vehicles

https://www.anduril.com/


,,,,and what do you get down the road when you make hunter/killer drones smarter and more efficient?

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/market...jpg?1708691194
:D

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A lot of meaty updates in this post:

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https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status...75676129349963

I wonder where it is now...

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https://x.com/Ch_Ru_GER/status/1868667960153567309

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https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1868709434945642586

Source of the images are:

https://t.me/VictoryDrones/34084

Anyway...

https://i.imgur.com/4z3MGmS.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/x86R783.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/bpRIXGl.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/sr0fsiK.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/WmfwZXA.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/TBakhDz.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/UtGzzZ6.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/33PeKum.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/3oN5wFc.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/rtBhxsA.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/nTOYgRV.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/VXmrwzW.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/CthEHf1.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/sITXyIP.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/VXr8Th2.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/CCFy5mE.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/RvU86ud.jpeg

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https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1868589519328391304

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The first semi-production High Power Microwave (HPM) weapons by Epirus -- essentially rebadged radars --- have been delivered and tested by the US Army.

Results of the Leonidas testing:

https://i.imgur.com/qTLqdAU.jpeg

https://x.com/AirPowerNEW1/status/1868300684711313484

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https://x.com/RALee85/status/1869241376468353117

Some commentary from another forum talking about the war:

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https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1879221890335879330

Context:

Back in April 2024:

https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1779221824150401336

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https://x.com/360_Secure/status/1888368240218476940

Rough values on FPV drones vs modern vehicles.

It does seem "correct" since many FPV drones are carrying modified RPG warheads, etc and they're not always pointed in the optimal direction or orientation as a warhead from an ATGM with a $10K guidance system would be...

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Drones with RPG warheads will be in the V18 Ukraine OOB and the V18 Russian Extension OOB has a KUB-2

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Lithuania has formally left the Cluster Munitions treaty:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...espite-outrage

Poland is making noises about withdrawing from the mine treaty + cluster munitions treaty:

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/48475

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I for one say good for Lithuania and Poland.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidha...-mine-warfare/

https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-...adsZ/960x0.jpg

Russian map showing locations of mines laid by drones on logistics routes around Krynky
RUSSIAN TELEGRAM VIA ROY

:eek:

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Love it, designing patterns to confuse your opponent is one of the best parts of playing these games in my opinion. Reminds me of designing dungeons for D&D, designed like a maze, with the intention of finding no way out.

On a serious note, if that war is ever concluded, the civians are going to have to get used living in despair until those fields are cleared. Glad I don't live there.

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One of the things that jumped out for me is that the traditional model of mine deployment in Steel Panthers (mines only being able to be bought as the defender in an assault/defend game) may no longer work; due to drone-laid mines making it very easy to deploy mines overnight -- granted, these drone laid mines would be very easy to see -- literally on the road surface(s), but there would be so many of them; achieving the objective of slowing down the enemy as they're forced to stop and begin mine-clearing.

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WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, that we have to deal with attack drones now, and it is what it is, to possibly have mine laying drones which theoretically you can have untold number of I would believe would change the game's dynamic and the game times being extended.

Baseball a couple of years ago switched to the 30 Second "pitch clock" that has pretty much across the board shorted the game by at least 40 minutes to an hour+ and drove up viewership and improved attendance at the stadiums after slumping in both categories for a few years this was a major plus for the game.

I again would RESPECTFULLY suggest such a move would be like Baseball saying "screw" the fans and who needs television viewership (Which for MLB would equate to a significant loss in profits due to loss in advertising revenue that especially the "poorer" teams rely on from the revenue sharing practices of the MLB.) if they "turned the clock back" so to speak.

It's the best analogy I could come up with "on the fly" in relationship of its significance to that game.

My typical turn count based on our current map size etc. etc. is 25 to 35 turns per game on average over the same number of battles in my typical Campaign.

My buy under such circumstances would be to buy these wonderful drones, mine laying artillery a handful of tanks with some infantry and some SPAA.

My tactics would be to mine the Hell out of the approaches and my flags. My mobile units would be in "safe zones" to respond to any breach or if opportunity allows capture what flags I can AFTER the AI HAS BLOODIED ITSELF or SIMPLY RUN OUT OF TIME.

WE MUST NOT FORGET (2) things about the AI on the ATTACK or MEETING ENGAGEMENT it has one role CAPTURE AND CAPTURE MORE.

I have seen such as a single ATGW team "pop up" and start to capture flags when the AI hardly had a unit left on the map.

When the AI is DEFENDING I've NEVER ONE TIME seen where I've haven't had to clear some fairly or more dense minefields.

It's very SLOW and can be VERY COSTLY and this in OVER 20 YEARS OF PLAYING against the AI.

Been playing this game from its ORIGIN TO ITS PRESENT PRESENTAION and it has always been about TACTICAL MANUVER.

What I feel at this moment is that mine laying drones would put us at a "CROSSROADS" better defined as VERY LOOSLY WWI or more to the point the Ukraine potentially.

I didn't invest all my time and some money to spend half a battle or more to clearing minefields.

Again, that is exactly what's happening in the Ukraine to a large extent.

You're not hearing so much about battles as you are about Drones I.E. this weekend's Drone attack on Kiev.

There is always a Cost and with that there's always a "Cause and Affect" or "Unintended Consequences" that come into play :rolleyes:.

And if nothing I posted has any effect on your point of view, take a few moments and look at that Russian map again Mark posted (164) above.

I did and that's why this was posted. My game/RL reaction was OMG what a nightmare that would be.

Was to post this a 3 hours ago however, I never miss CINCLANTHOMEs Pot Roast and a little after dinner chat on my off days!! ;)

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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I had to ask ChatGPT to summarize what you are trying to say, the AI said your saying:

The poster is expressing concern that adding mine-laying drones to a wargame would drastically slow down gameplay, much like real-world conflicts (e.g., Ukraine) where mines and drones have made battles more about attrition and slow progress than maneuver warfare. They compare it to Major League Baseball's pitch clock, which shortened games and improved engagement—implying the opposite effect would happen if mine-laying drones were added to the game.

They explain their fear that players (especially the AI) would focus on flooding the map with mines, leading to longer, slower, more tedious games with less tactical flexibility. This could lead to frustration and potentially drive players away from the game.

Their main point: while modern warfare includes drones and mines, bringing that fully into the game could hurt the gameplay experience by shifting it from fast-paced tactical maneuvering to slow, defensive attrition warfare—which they feel would be a bad design decision.

Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies
 

A good post that highlights the dangers of knee jerk reactions and/or, ideas that seem great on paper...but..... When you have a game that allows the level of detail control like SP, you have to take a critical factor into account, at least this is my opinion based on my time as a developer.

"Players find a way."

a rule or function that might be blasé on surface value can exponentially result in a "gaming the system" situation. Example? empty panzer corps in Eastern front games. War in the Pacific.....using PBY's or subs to "invade" undefended bases....take them and then withdrawal by the same means when your opponent responds. It's maddening....and it is exponentially tied to the level of detail control the player has. I love GG games but a price of them is that GOD level command allows for so much potential abuse.

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https://x.com/Osint613/status/1927750905958371449

There's also footage of the lasers bringing down drones on other twitter xposts.

I've also heard rumors that the Russians have been using lasers as well to deal with Ukrainian UAS attacking Moscow area, etc.

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More details on the Israeli Lasers:

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1927975238349836451

Apparently the schedule is for three full powered Iron Beam systems in service by 1Q 2026.

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https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status...21043071389723

(go to link for video)

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More details coming out of the testing of Leonidas High Power Microwave (HPM) weapon (aka a radar turned into a bug zapper)

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...itary-defense/

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Thoughts on the Booker

It did exist in the testing phase for about a year and I have lots of room in the USA extention OOB so I was thinking of leaving it in from 4/124-5/125 for "what if"
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Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies
 

I'd love to play it and see how it stands up compared to some of the other 40 ton options.

Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies
 

There will be a "Booker Platoon" and "Booker Section" 4/ 2024 - 5/2025 in the USA extention OOB which is accessable when clicking on the ALLIES button in the purchace menu.


https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1748961899

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Am I to "assume" that by having the extended OOBs under the allies that we can't use them to build/or use them for our "core" units in the game?

Just trying to understand how that relationship will work based on what's been posted.

Just "chalk it up" the question to my lack of technical knowledge in game design.

Also I'm sure sometime in the "deep past" this might've been asked but, will a plane or jet coming on the map with a couple of AA missiles attack say, enemy helicopters that might already be on the map it sees?

To "BOOKER" under the conditions you posted-why not (Though now I wish I hadn't ditched my build info-oh well!?! Best I can say was I had it slightly better than BRADLEY in armor except for the latest on in service now.) it might provide some interesting game play.

That'll be a much more realistic situation then is what you can call the South African Army at his time all I can say is "there will be blood" in that OOB. Corruption, incompentance and more. It would be a "Best Selling" novel of fiction if it wasn't for the fact it's a shameful but true story.

Also I found a piece of new equipment that will transcend BOTH games within the last week quite by accident but fully verified none the less.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies
 

Pat........ The ALLIES button can be clearly seen as accessible when buying your core. You can test that quite easily

https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1749126818

SO YES the extention OOB's can be used to build your core

Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies
 

In both my copies of WinSPWW2 and WinSPMBT I can only buy allied/captured units after I’m done buying core campaign units. The ‘Allies’ option is absent until I press ‘Done’ and move to the support unit purchase screen. Is the ability to purchase allied/captured units for your core campaign force new for the next update or is there something I’m not doing right?

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Am I too am missing something...


You can have allies in a battle "core" but NOT in a campaign core:
https://i.postimg.cc/kX7dTcZX/allies.png

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You can with V18. Take a good look at that screenshot I posted.....it's a campaign "Max core troops~=200( 199 remaining)

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That would explain it! Thanks for adding that, I’m looking forward to putting that feature to good use!

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.....and the injury I am recovering from explains why I forgot the EXE for MBT that everyone else has does not show the ALLIES button but mine and Andy's has for at least a year, maybe longer.

NOT looking for sympathy but the FACTS are that NOBODY can accuratly predict how long it might take the gaps I have in my memory make a re-connection....if ever . Right now I am missing about 6 weeks and I appologize to Pat for suggesting he check a game feature that he, and everyone else but us, does not have yet:doh:

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More land-mine news:

https://www.ksml.fi/uutissuomalainen/8620973

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Hello. Sorry, but I didn't understand. Is there a version 18?
Because the latest one I have is 17.a

Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies
 

We have V18 - it will be released to the end users later on this year, or early next year. See the post:

https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/show...2&postcount=23

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Understood

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Don,
To Post 183, though appreciated, it was not necessary but, I thank you none the less.

It's if you will "what we do at times" more importantly just glad to see that Andy and you are taking some time off anytime after the holidays would maybe be best to enjoy Christmas and New Years with family peacefully without worrying about us or any deadlines.

We scored a 100% on Training and Knowledge factors and 97% on Drills that makes us the "top dogs" in the whole of the U.S. SE Region to include Eastern Texas.

The Hard Work and Vigilance has paid off once again.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Get well soon.

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WAR WARNING:

OBAT 054 THAILAND
OBAT 058 CAMBODIA

May be having a honest to god war -- there's already rumors of tank engagements in the jungle, on top of airstrikes and drone grenade attacks.

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https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...24-25-intl-hnk

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80p8z0y0eko

https://apnews.com/article/thailand-...9a5934e0c07383

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I see the website is back up and running.....good news

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If you mean this website, ya, I agree, very good news.

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China just held a massive parade to mark the 80th Anniversary of the end of WWII; a lot of new hardware was showcased; a good portion of them designed to defeat UAVs/FPVs/etc.

My personal opinion: What we're seeing here is the "first" generation of mobile AAA designed to defeat the UAV/FPV/C-UAS threat. This generation is optimized for mobile deployment to defend rear area infrastructure (FOBs and such) -- similar to how the US put Phalanx on a trailer to protect FOBs during the GWOT.

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https://i.imgur.com/vOpGYE4.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/SdTEsvI.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/og1RWEA.jpeg

From doing some quick reading around it appears that the LY-1 is a "mobile" version of a naval shipborne laser system; but there's precious little available about it's specs (power level) etc in open UNCLASS forums.

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Also showing up was the Hurricane-3000 High-Power Microwave (HPM) Weapon System by NORINCO:

https://i.imgur.com/tqpKK77.jpeg

No specs; but I believe that little radar array on top is what detects and tracks targets for the main radar.

Versions of the Hurricane 3000 were publicly shown during testing earlier this year:

https://i.imgur.com/mUs6E8P.jpeg

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https://i.imgur.com/a6dsa0F.jpeg

"OW5-A10" Laser Mengshi -- laser output might be 10 KW.

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https://i.imgur.com/nWVlUDk.jpeg

"OW5-A50" Laser HMV3 -- laser output might be 50 KW.

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https://i.imgur.com/GngW7SN.jpeg

Unknown C-UAS SPAAG -- 24 x low cost interceptor missiles + large caliber autocannon.

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We don't forget who put us here, Jack
That's page one
We talk soft, carry a big stick
Pack the biggest gun
We don't like accidents, major or minor
You don't want yourself an incident, don't ever invade China

Don't Crash The Ambulance
Song by Mark Knopfler


The photo above the "OW5-A10" Laser Mengshi caption my first reaction was " that's a lot of Tubas" :)

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China also unveiled the new Type 100 Tank and Type 100 Support Tank.

Way to keep things non-confusing guys. They're going down the same path as the Japanese/US in WW2 with everything all the same designation.

It appears that the Type 100 is the Chinese Armata clone; albeit it's actually going to be put into production :p

Things are very vague here, but both Type 100s appear to have "augmented reality" headsets for the crew(s) -- i.e. something like the F-35 helmet, but for ground vehicles.

The Type 100 Support Tank appears to have drone launch cells; enabling it to launch it's own drones for fire support; along with dedicated crew members to control said drones.

Both may or may not have a hybrid powertrain, enabling "silent" battery only running for limited periods of time.

EDIT: Reason I'm putting them here; is that both represent "new" ideas -- integration of UAVs with AFVs, may or may not have unmanned turrets, etc; fitting the thread's theme of "new technologies", etc.

Photos of the two:

https://i.imgur.com/HL78bAq.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/l906GEe.jpeg
Type 100 Tank

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https://i.imgur.com/euADNEY.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/mrsbaKZ.jpeg
Type 100 [Fire] Support Tank (FSV?)

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You can see the Type 100 Tank up front, with the Type 100 FSV behind them, as well as the drones on the back of the Type 100 FSV:

https://i.imgur.com/a7eDE5n.jpeg

Closeup of the drone carriage on the Type 100 FSV:

https://i.imgur.com/rABJquq.jpeg

Another photo of the Type 100 FSV:

https://i.imgur.com/ZUs0VCB.jpeg

Top and rear of the Type 100 FSV as they were being railed into Beijing earlier this week:

https://i.imgur.com/V2KC9pD.jpeg

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Funnily enough these dropped a MONTH ago around August 15 on Twitter; looks like they were genuine:

https://i.imgur.com/HGro5Jy.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/XEZ72ma.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/DrDsR0X.jpeg

Re: What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies
 

The Chinese also displayed a large amount of unmanned vehicles -- air, sea, submarines, ground.

https://i.imgur.com/5TjB3Q9.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/QOkhpcr.jpeg

Longer term; this has interesting implications for "serious" scenarios -- IOW; for a long time, it's been really hard for anyone who isn't NATO (or the US) to make headway against a determined air defense network.

The near term (next 15~ years) future got interesting; since it's now plausible second world nations like say....Venezuela could actually credibly operate these UAVs; and they'd have a decent chance of penetrating modern air defenses and actually striking their targets -- IOW; stealthy UCAVs striking US troops along the FEBA in the next war we fight is plausible.

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Those new Chinese tanks have an " amphibious" look about them.

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"They?" "They?" "THEY?" Quite kind of you, podner. Do you have any clue as to how much of their lives have gone by the wayside staring at screens for the sheer dedication to seeing something work and knowing people appreciate that work? Yet, here some people come along and say, "Get up out of the well-earned Nursing Home Bed, and satisfy my unending desire for more cheap thrills."

Of course, there is the notion YOU could learn a bit of coding, and Paint, apply yourself to immersion in reference manuals and research, then take the job on for everyone yourself, but I'm sure your life might get in the way. Such is the pity. I was so looking forward to your 2026 through 2047 updates. Especially now that one brigade can have 200 FPV drones in the air at one time, and those "Turtle Tanks" can be modified to have main guns with only a 45 egree arc of fire until the cages come off. Come-on, Lad, Hop to it. Make that fit into a balance scenario.

How about those tricky Russians having every other or third tank's ERA filled with bricks or sand? Can you randomly code which blocks get that? Give up beer and sex. Things will go faster.

We await your product, WITH BATED BREATH.