Re: Status for EA-New
 

That's the one for this game. The other is for the Glory game.

Also, the service is provided by Matryx for the SA Dom3 goons, I only registered chris' games on there. I'd still think that it would be best if chris gets his own webserver up soon, tho.

Strange....
 

Hey guys,

Part of Velusions scripts includes dumping out a file called 'stats'. In this file it includes the status of every race at the time of the execution of the turn.

The turn that ran at 4:56 am EST says that everyone submitted a turn.

So just as a check, I compared to the stats file for other turn. For example, I just downed the server. The current stat file correctly indicated which nations had submitted turns and which had not, and which were computer controlled.

So I then checked from 3 turns ago, 4 turns ago - again all correct.

Don't get me wrong - I believe the people that say they staled. But the computer logs them as completing a turn.

Additionally, there is usually *2* backups - one done before processing a turn, and one done after. In this instance there are three. One at 4:55 one at 4:56 and one at 5:14.

The turn at 4:55 is the unprocessed turn, the turn at 4:56 looks processed, and the turn at 5:14 is processed.

I am going to attach the last three turn files to ich and to illwinter and ask them to examine the files, as well as see if its possible to log ip addresses.

Chris

And other news
 

Due to a death there has been a request for a delay until Monday.

Re: And other news
 

guys i am going to be going to camp shortly so i am getting a sub right now

Re: Status for EA-New
 

Ich, that really is one great status page!

A big thank you from me for that, and for all the tireless work and effort you put into many areas of the Dominions community.

Re: Strange....
 

Not sure what's malfunctioning with the script then. I contacted the server, received my 2h file, played my turn, hit End Turn, and the connection timed out.

When I got this last turn, it informed me that I had staled, and no armies moved, no units trained (imagine that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif).

Re: Strange....
 

Run "dom3 --verify BraveNewWorld" and the game creates *.chk files for all the game files which show you info about them. You can open them with any text editor. You'll see for which turn number their uploaded 2h files were ("turnnbr"). I tried it on the last archive and two players had outdated turns.

Playing online games:
 

Hey guys,

Ich made a comment offline which I wanted to share:

They said that the game server hung after they hit end turn. Seems like they use to play their turns directly online, which is not advised to do. They should do turns offline and connect to the game server again when they're done to upload them

This is true; there is a FAQ on this exact point, and how (and why) to do it. Can someone please locate the faq and post the link here?

But I can tell you from personal experience, that if I connect directly to a hosted server and you disconnect, crash, or even just quit without saving - the host will still treat it as if you had submitted a turn.

Essentially, the preferred way of doing it is connecting until you see the nations icons, then quitting, and play an existing game. When you are finished with your turn, you then go back to the network, connect, and upload your turn.

The exact step by step instructions are in the FAQ.

Best,

Chris

Game is still awaiting turns for those that staled
 

Regards

Chris

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that staled
 

can i sub for EA abysia? (hunt11)??? or did he get a sub?

im new to MP though i know EA very well and LA less so...

let me know. i setup an email just for dom3 so waiting to get into MPs http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that staled
 

I'm okay with you subbing for him; game will not run again till monday. Contact him directly, to arrange please

Chris
(host)

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that st
 

I can't play my turn. I get "error reading ret turn".

I already tried deleting the game folder.

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that st
 

Ok strictly will take my position I guess.. chris you contact him to change e-mail and whatnot.

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that st
 

Okay
Good luck in mexico Aezeal. Sorry to lose you.

We'll do the maintenance next week = )

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that st
 

I'm not able to connect to the server anymore- is it still port 1224?

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that st
 

I found it on Port 2000.

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that st
 

woah, so we rolled back a few turns or what?

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that st
 

sorry, i'm a bit confused here-

on the server status when i connect it shows everyone as having played their turn but on the little status page it says i've submitted my turn.

Do I need to give new orders?

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that st
 

Jim!
I gave the port # to only those people that complained they had staled, specifically to avoid this problem.

PLEASE DO NOT RESUBMIT A TURN. ONLY THOSE THAT MISSED A TURN. I will only discard them anyway.

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that st
 

Well I just found the whole thing terribly confusing, since the other port isn't even responding. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

I don't know, I apologize for my err, though I don't see a big issue with the other people changing their plans as well.

But besides, the turn that was posted there was 2 turns ago. So, to avoid giving a spoiler about what happens next, my initial attack on Agartha hasn't even happened on the posted turn, whereas the turn with the stales happened the turn after I made that first attack, and Agartha's first counter attack was there on the last real turn I got. So..... as I was saying before, I didn't see it fair to let us stalers redo without the other people changing their minds, as for example I could beef up PD and move one of my forces to meet Agartha, and probably badly embarass him, winning the conflict in one stroke.

I hope that the amount of detail here helps clarify my perspective on this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that st
 

did you try every port jim? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

Re: Game is still awaiting turns for those that staled
 

i already sorted with hunt11 to sub, however, i cannot connect to server (on port 1224 or port 2000 as someone above ^^^ said...)

so....im guessing, server down?

ah yes i did install the map attachment and all, but, what about mods?
anything i need other than the map?
plz let me know, im new to MP so...

and lanka, i know of our 3 turn warning system, hunt11 told me...until i get into the game a few turns to even realize whats going on i dont intend to change anything http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

hi everyone btw http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Game Schedule
 

Ok guys.

I am waiting on:

1. Those that staled got their turns in.
2. Strict confirms he has the informaiton for Aezeals position.

I have put the server back up: (only for those that staled)I will host the turn at midnight. And resume on port 1224 shortly after midnight.

Re: Game Schedule
 

Thank you Matrix!

As Ich did it for me, I didn't know; So thanks again. Its a great looking page and a lot of work has gone into it.

At some point Ich, I am going to get that webserver up - however I have a lot to learn still - I doubt it will ever look as good as Matryx's page.

However, I just got back (4am) and work is slamming me so it will be a while....

Thanks again Matryx!

Re: Game Schedule
 

i m ready to go. I will play aezeal's position.

Re: Game Schedule
 

Ok.
A few people submitted turns that did not stale. So after resetting their turns back, I think we're ready to go. I hope.

It should host in a few minutes.

Edit: Well, I tried guys. But as of this moment, I am just restoring the game back to where griefor, xox and Jim staled.

The problem was that apparently people used different .trn files to create their .2h files - which lead to inconsistent data.

Re: Game Schedule
 

That sucks..... I tried to tell you I thought something screwy was going on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif But we're sent the file when we contact the server, and like I was saying I don't leave the server until I have played my turn out. Not sure how human error factors into that.

We'll get it worked out though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif You live in Florida, right? Remind me again not to move there, I would die if my broadband connection wasn't rock solid.

Re: Game Schedule
 

Yep, you were right - and it was your email that sort of alerted me to the problem. Your files - and a few others were different days than other peoples.

As for internet and hosting - yeah it isn't bad for me, usually, because when lightning starts, I usually just get off the computer. But it really has been kind of eye opening, the number of lightning hits, surges etc. Which you never think about when its usually off.

We record about 45 lightning hits an hour during a storm; it storms virtually every day now...

Re: Game Schedule
 

It's always sunny in California. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Game Schedule
 

I couldn't get in the game on the server last friday, I can't today.

I don't know what to say, but I'm afraid that with the cryptic and tiny error message I get I really can't fix the problem, and judging from the response I get, neither can anyone else.

I'd LIKE to play my turn but I simply cannot.

Re: Game Schedule
 

Grief,

I don't mind delaying processing again. If you can, I suggest you install Dominions again into a different folder, then download the game trn into that folder.

I would also suggest contacting Ich and letting him look at it - and see if he can aid in this.

Re: Game Schedule
 

:-( :-( Didn't realise the game was back up and running :-( :-( So stalled a couple more turns :-( :-(

Don't think I'm alone though, as there appears to be several people who don't realise this game is running again.

Was expecting there to be some sort of announcement on the thread to indicate that things were running normally again after all the turn re-doing that went on.

Re: Game Schedule
 

Game paused to allow comment.

Re: Game Schedule
 

It might be worth PM-ing everyone who is supposed to be playing in this game, to find out if they ARE still playing this game. As I've just checked the game status page, and Marverni, Sauromatia, Abysia, C'tis and Agartha, are still outstanding for the current turn. And I'm pretty sure that at least Abysia and C'tis stalled the last turn as well.

Also, according to the forum messages, 'effeDom' is currently subbing for 'hunt11' as Abysia, but on another thread, 'effeDom' has said he's about to move from Spain to Sweden, plus he has a tech problem with the game, so he won't be doing any MP games for a while.

My own story with this game is that I was checking this forum and the game status site regular last weekend (20-22 June), Monday (23rd)+Tuesday (24th) waiting for the 'the turn re-doing problems are now sorted - the game is running normally again' message, but nothing appeared, and nothing seemed to have happened. According to the status page, the game was still where it had been for about a week. On 'Turn 15', with one or two turns still outstanding.

I didn't check the game status site after this, as I was checking the Dominions MP forum regular anyway, and I'd be sure to notice a message on this game thread saying that the game was 'running normal again'. Anyway on Saturday (28th) I had some free time so I decided to check the game status page to see what was happening, since there had been no messages on this forum thread.

But low and behold, the status page said 'Turn 17 - turn deadline 4 minutes!!' So then it was a mad dash to connect-up to the game, waste all my stored money on PD, end turn and upload. (another stall would have been better for me on reflection) So did that, checked the status page, and it had received my turn 1 minute before hosting! As close as it gets! But I did notice that there were at least 3 other nations who hadn't submitted a turn, and were certainly about to stall, probably for the second time in a row (with a third coming up now)

Think a few things need to be clarified here, as the game will become very unbalanced and meaningless if several nations are simply stalling. Even an AI existence for them is better than a non-existent stalling one.

Re: Game Schedule
 

You know, all things considered..... As favorable a position as I have in this game, I'd be in favor of a restart, if it looked like a good idea. I'm not going to push for it, just saying that if the majority of the players are in favor, OR are AWOL, then maybe we should do it. It sucks to even think about, this late in the game, but I think if there were enough problems that a lot of people have dropped out (or just had their position made irrelevant due to inadvertent stales), we might have a nicer game if we had a full roster of players.

<3

Re: Game Schedule
 

I am opposed to a restart. I don't know what has been causing all of the complained-of problems and delays. I have not been having any trouble keeping up with turns, and have not felt confused by the hosting system. I certainly don't mean to minimize other people's complaints, but it seems to me that most of my neighbors in the game have also been playing actively and have kept up.

Re: Game Schedule
 

A re-start would certainly solve a lot of problems, but probably create too many new ones in the process, mostly in the 'bad feelings' department. So I'd personally vote no for a re-start

Several players appear to have had some problems at various stages, me, and Ulm's former incumbent being amongst them. I'm just sad that some of them could have been avoided with a simple message or two.

My only request for this game is that the stalling nations are sorted out ASAP (3-4 nations stalled last turn, and roughly the same number since turn 16). It's not going to make for a very fair game if some nations are playing a genuine game, battling it out with 'active' neighbours, while other nations are simply waltzing through undefended lands, and possibly being on the verge of securing themselves a second capital or too.

It's also not exactly clear what's going on with regards hosting either. Since 'chrispedersen' posted that the game would be paused to allow comments, but the game then continued to host on schedule. I'm just finding a few things that are going on slightly confusing.

Re: Game Schedule
 

Hey Calahan (and interested others)

Friday John(I believe) requested delay till monday due to death. I complied, and the game was set to monday.

Monday, Griefor said that he wasn't able to process a turn. I paused the game (24 hours) to allow him to work that out. I heard no additional messages from him.

When you notified that you staled, I did the same thing, I announced that I was pausing the game for comment. The game went from hosting in 2 hours, to hosting in 24.

No one made any comments during that time period or requests in that time period.

I know for my part that I haven't attacked sauromatia specifically because I didn't know what griefor was going to do. But I agree with your suggestion that we sort out the stalling nations and set them to AI. I will do that, without objection, when I get home.

Who is/isn't staling?

Re: Game Schedule
 

Hi Chris

Thanks for clearing up some of the things that went on.

Don't know exactly who has stalled and when over the recent turns, but my best guesses for who has are:-

Abysia - Very sure they've stalled turns 16, 17, 18. And like I said above, if 'effeDom' is supposed to be controlling them, then he's already stated on another thread ('FreshMeat') that he's moving plus has tech issues.

C'tis - Pretty sure they've stalled turns 17, 18, and guessing turn 16 as well. 'Electro808' is down as controlling them, and his last post on any forum was on 20th June (during the turn re-doing issues). Maybe PM him and see if he's still playing.

I know for definite that one other nation stalled on turn 17, (I saw the status page with a minute to go, and remember seeing three red boxes) but I can't be sure who else it was. I think it was either Marverni or Agartha. All the other nations seem to be actively playing (apart from the four mentioned here).

Do you get any info regarding who's stalled as host? If so you probably have more accurate info than me on who has been stalling. Maybe delay the game for 24hrs to PM all those who have stalled to see if they're still playing. Then either turn AI any orphan nation that has stalled for 3 turns in a row, or delay a further 24hrs to look for subs, and then AI any nations that remain orphan after that.

All the above of course is provided people agree with it :-) and if anyone is reading this who is controlling one of the above four nations, then please post a message saying whether or not you are active in this game.

Re: Game Schedule
 

I am not positve, but I think abyssia did a turn in the last three turns, they took an indie provionce. At least I thought they did.

XOX

Re: Game Schedule
 

abysia has missed one, and 2 of last 4
marvnie missed last one
ctis missed last 4
agartha missed 3
griefor has missed 4, and due to problems I don't think will restart.

I believe that agartha and ctis are being conquered. I wish that someone had gone AI. So in keeping with the ai after 2, unless someone says something (quickly) I will AI ctis, argath, and sauro.

Re: Game Schedule
 

Weird, Agartha struck back at me once when I started attacking them. They got all quiet after I killed their pretender, but that's kind of typical. >.>

This game has just been terribly ill fated..... I hope no one holds it against Chris, since there are two games running on the same server, that both started around the same time, and Glory is doing just fine.

Re: Game Schedule
 

Just a streak of bad luck, I'd say.

Even glory had it's share of bad luck when Ich's/Gandalf's server crashed and we had to restart. But Chris rehosted it and it's been going quite well since.

Re: Game Schedule
 

Oh it had its share, right at the start. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Just, this one has had far more than a fair share. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Re: Game Schedule
 

I second Chris being an all round top host and administrator :-)

This game certainly seems to have had a Misfortune 3 setting from the start though. ****e happens I guess :-(

(Edit) Just checked the status page and the sleepers have come alive! Agartha, C'tis, and Abysia have all submitted turns for turn 19. Any news from these players Chris? Only Marverni appears to be still AWOL. But 6 hrs to go before hosting, so you never know :-)

Re: Game Schedule
 

I also think Chris is a great host. He has proven his worth.

I'm easy. I'm in favor of a restart, but happy to play on.

Re: Game Schedule
 

I just sort of wish that Graphs were on, so we could get a sense of how "healthy" the game is as a whole at this point.

Isn't there a command the host can run that gets similar stats, and can be posted somewhere for us?

Re: Game Schedule
 

Cal,

They only showed alive, as I set them to AI. The nations seemed to be viable. So, I suppose they were voting with their feet.

I consider the game to be tainted by all the problems. And while I love the race I'm playing, I don't like problems or bad feelings.

So, if I were to vote, I'd vote to start another game - and honestly, preferably one not hosted by me =). I'd be happy to play with each and every one of you. And I'd really like to play the same race. But I don't want to encourage a game to fall down, especially for john, and other people that are doing well, and hopefully enjoying it =P

my .02!

Re: Game Schedule
 

well sorry for not getting back to you yesterday, but, i had no problem with this game (technically), i played the 2 turns up til yesterday, though i was forced to miss a turn because i came up to north spain to stay with a friend and until just now we couldnt get my computer working with his internet (router problem, but just fixed it)...

so i stalled last turn but the turns before that were no problem, however I do see that ive been put on AI already so considering that is unchangable, oh well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
the technical problem i was having was only with that other MP game that i was starting. thanks for investigating though as I seem to be a bit unreliable on putting in turns everyday, i think i will opt out of playing any serious MPs until i really get situated with a job and living permanently somewhere again soon hehe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

i wasnt expecting to lose connectivity for the remainder of this game, because I'd still be in spain (just in bilbao, now) for the next 2 weeks or so and it looked like abysia would be dead by then anyway regardless of what i do, or even game close to a finish....

i opted out of the other game because i didnt want to start up a new one, not knowing if id have every-day connectivity about a month from now.

anyhow.
good luck the rest of you on the rest of this game, looks like its going to be over soon anyhow.

Re: Game Schedule
 

Well, I'm glad to know other games have technical problems too. =P

No problem effeDom.. was a pleasure to play with you. I would be fine with playing with you again. I just suggest you be clear you want a game with no or loose turn deadlines.

Bleh! The only option is to reset to turn prior to AIing.

Chris