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Hey all yeah I just want to vent a little bit, there is going to be a Nazi "demonstration" in Yorktown, specifically on Yorktown battlefield which is not all that far from my home town, I just think it's disgusting that those scum are allowed to defile that battlefield with their presence much less in the name of "Honoring Washington who did in fact have anti-semetic views" I mean these guys just tick me off.

There is going to be an counterdemonstration there too and I think me and my family are going to head out there to join with them but I just think sometimes that 1st ammendent rights goes to far when it comes to protecting scum who want to take away our freedom and rights, yet if a guy preaches on the street corner he can get arrested for harassment and disturbing the peace.

Anyway sorry I just want to vent http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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I ask you why it is considered discusting if a group of white men get together to celibrate their belief in white power. It is no differant than a group of black men or gay people doing the same god damn thing.

Granted being affilated with the Nazi party is without a doubt the dumbest thing any white man can do. Those god forsaken skin heads are nothing more than a group of hate mongers who are so closed minded that all they can see is their twisted view of the world. Kinda like many civil rights speakers who claim everything is a racist act when in fact it is they who are promoting racism.

Let the Nazi march, it is their right under the our law. It is also your right to go down and taunt them if you so choose. Let them know that they are bonafied retards of epic proportions. Good luck and remember, go for the knees and protect your head.

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The 1st amendment should never be compromised... Doing so is a sure path to tyranny.

It is disgusting when any supremecist group, regardless of affiliation, gathers to discuss their twisted views. However, all of them have every right to do so...

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I was gonna say something a wee bit off the topic of Nazism, but it may have (probably would have) offended people so I'll settle with thinking it.

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Its a tough subject. I often get a bit ticked when people relate the sawstica (sp) to only the Nazi party. That symbol has been around far longer than the Nazi party. It was used by the American Indians and other cultures, albeit I do not know which ones, long before Hitler and his psyco cronies latched onto it.

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Egyptians and older cultures used it too, a harmless symbol forever tainted by hatred. Stupid jackoffs.

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And even the old vikings used similar symbols, it's an global used symbol ...... not only by the Nazis in WWII

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What is also a shame is that most people think "Germans" are all "Nazi" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif would be like saying white americans are KKK http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

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I don't think most people think all Germans are/were Nazi's. I think there is a small foolish minority that are so misguided as to believe that, but most? Nah.

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When the rights of ALL are effected by a FEW, we have a problem. It's the squeaky wheel that always gets the oil. Unfortunately that's what the 1st amendment is all about. Voting is where that gets changed BY THE PEOPLE. Let them have their day in the sun, as the rest of their lives may be spent in darkness!
Remember that a sword has a double edge and cuts both ways... As you cut at their rights to protest you also cut at your rights, and so it begins.

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Black power never caused a world war, and the Gay Rights Movement does not advocate a holocaust of heterosexuals. I would also like to mention that Blacks and Homosexuals have never lynched Whites or Heterosexuals for simply looking at a black woman or for talking with a gay man.

That is why people tolerate or even encourage those who celebrate "black power" and "gay power", and actively discourage and disassociate themselves with those who celebrate "white power".

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I think South African history would beg to differ... Or perhaps the attempted movement by Malcom X. People of all creeds and "colors" are a nasty lot.

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Take a walk through southwest Baltimore and try to hit on some of the ladies you encounter. You won't get hung, but you will need some bullet proof undies.

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You're confusing South Africa with Zimbabwe, where the government targeted wealthy white-owned farms and farmers and violently and forcibly redistributed their lands and property to unskilled black farmers; one could say that race was a factor, but evidence suggests that wealth was a much greater one.

And Malcom X's movement advocated not hostility and aggression against whites, rather active self-defense (as in a white man hits you, you hit him back) rather than passive self-defense (a white man hits you, you take it stoically or talk to the authorities) practiced by a majority of blacks of the time.

Of course, the muslim brotherhood, the organization that descended from Malcom X's movement, calls for a race war and has an afrocentric view on everything, but it is treated in the same way many White Supremacist organizations are treated; tolerance when adhering to the law, but crackdown when they aren't.

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True, I stand corrected, I should have said "some" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif

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Yeah black power movements disgust me to especailly in this day and age I've even talked with a few African Americans who said that these guys as well as the "gangasta rap" communities are bringing racial relations back fifty years and it's true.

I hate to say it but when I was working at Wendy's it was turning me racist because I had to deal with those black people that speak ghetto call each other (the N word) and acted like the black folks that I worked with that spoke proper english and hated "that word" were all "Just wanting to be white" and crap.

And besides that if you've ever been in an "all black" kind of neighborhood or even workplace you'll feel that as a group they are far more racist than any "all white" places I've ever been too and they also dragged my opinion of the entire black race down to the point where I was becoming a person I didn't like anymore and to where even today a lot of times when on the news I hear about a shooting the first thing that pops into my mind is "Damn ghetto trash shooting each other again" which is terrible because what if it's just some poor guy that was in the wrong place at the wrong time it might not have been gang bangers but still that's the first thought in my mind.
And as least you can say of hte white power movements they don't destroy their own neighborhoods to protest "The Black Man's opression" like those race riots back in the 90s where those moronic black power movements riled up so much discontent that those idiots burned their own neighborhoods which just made me laugh my *** off it's like "Yeah that's a great way to show your our equals, burn your own damn neighborhoods and buisnesses" lol

And actually the African problem is not "black power" so much as "black ignorance" and 'Tribal warfare" how do you think the tripartide (sp?) first got to power, the white people there looked around and realized that the bulk of the black populace was so busy killing it's self that it was not paying attention and thus they moved in fast and took advantage of the situation and had it not been for UN presure I can almsot gurantee that it would still be in place to this day because the Africans are too busy wtih killing themselves to notice when they are being oppressed.


I think if we were smart we'd let the black power and white power movements get locked into a small area and let them bash each other's heads in because until they are all gone the racial tention in this country will just keep getting worse.

I mean it infuriates me to that if I say one comment about one specific black person I get called a racist yet on TV I get to hear people calling whites "Honky's and crackers" and they don't get in the least bit of trouble.

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For those of us who do not live in that area, that is supposed to imply...?

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This is going to far... Lets all back away from this conversation now.

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They don't like people that are not of color in "their" hood. Even though people not of color foot the bill so that the people of color can live there to begin with. At times when the main roads are blocked, usually by police activity, I have to divert into the side areas. It really pisses me off to see all of the BMW's, MB, Jags in the public housing parking lots. They also abuse the cross walk law by standing in the crosswalks. Here, if there is a person in a crosswalk, you can not enter it with a car. So to block the streets, they stand in the cross walks.

This is not a rant agains people of color. This is a rand against low life trash that leach off of society and the liberals that enable this activity in the first place. And facts are facts, these people are of one ethnic group. I promote racial tolerance, but it has to be a two way street. And here it is not.

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Now we are just getting into racisim. Its ok for gays and blacks to have pride marches but its not ok for a bunch of dum *** white guys? If it is ok for one group of people to do something, then it must be so for all or there is no equality. You cannot condem them for having a march, you can only condem them for being stupid retards. I would also like to point out that these fools more likely than not, had nothing to do with causing any world war, and probably never will. I am sure we all can agree that the Nazi party is all about hatred while black and gay pride marches have historically been about peace and acceptance. What I fear is that some day a group of white people will want to celibrate their heritage and hold a march and in doing so be called nazi's when in fact they are not. That is the day that I would get seriously ticked off at some racisit people.

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DITTO

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Yeah I just meant a rant against the Nazi party and how disgusting I find THEM I didn't mean to start a debate about racism and tolerance as a whole sorry folks if I caused ANY offense http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif (unless your a nazi in which case http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif)

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If they were only intellectually deficient, there would not be a problem. A problem arises when people who call for a racial conflict and genocide begin to hold marches and gatherings - and history has shown that such gatherings are filled with fanatics would would love (and most of the time, did) manifest their beliefs physically. This applies to any group of any races, be it Black Supremacists such as the Muslim Brotherhood, White Supremacists such as the Aryan Brotherhood, and anti-gay groups such as Fred Phelps and gang.

I'm not arguing that.

Are you so certain of that? All it takes is one catastrophe for these groups to capitalize upon and it will all go straight to hell, unless groups that promote hate are nipped in the bud. This is what happened to many arab nations, this is what caused the rise of the Nazi party, and others.

That will never happen for Nazism and/or White Supremacy has no links to any culture, any heritage, or any ethnic group. No culture on the face of the planet has or espouses innate totalitarian, anti-semetic, pseudoscientific creeds. If a person of germanic origin began to force wursts into everyone's faces and kept talking about the greatness of the bavarian culture and cuisine, then he will be called a nazi, not because he is a german, but because he is ignorant.

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I cannot disagree with you regarding the kind of uber dumb asses who think that being a member of the Nazi party skin head movement is something to be proud of. It isn't, and they are for the most part, angry young white guys who have less than a fifth grade education, suffor from low self esteme, and more likely than not, do drugs and have a criminal history.

These hate mongers are the lowest form of white trash that there is, and I am ashamed to think that all white people are somehow being grouped with these degenerates.

We live in a society where we enjoy the freedom to hold marches, even if it is a march about loving hatred, we have that right. Now I am not saying I would ever participate in such a thing, and would never preclude any person from marching in opposition to such a thing. In fact I would encourage it.

Hatred combined with stupidity and racisim is a very dangerous combination indeed. So dangerous that in normal instances such a thing would be pulled up by its roots and exterminated post haste. However since most of the neo-nazi's are just young druggie kids with a fourth grade education who are predestined by fate to die in prision or in some back ally with a needle hanging from their arm, I feel that for the most part we, as a whole, are safe from the resurgance of the megalomanics that brought about so much hardship for the world in the late 30's early 40's.

There is no way in hell these dumb *** kids and old inbread retards would ever be able to organize a political party. They simply do not have the I.Q. And in the event that our society should fall into chaos and these psyco bastards appoint themselves "the law," you can count on me to stand right beside you and kill each and every last one of them. Believe me when I say, we would be doing the world a favor by removing them permently from the gene pool.

I do hope the counter march goes well Starhawk.

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TerranC, you are blaming a whole segment of society for the sins of the few. Take homosexuality for example. You said "Homosexuals have never lynched...Heterosexuals for simply...talking with a gay man" Probably true, and there have been a few unfortunate isolated instances where "gay bashing" has occured. However, the way you phrased your reply lumped all heterosexuals in with those who took the route of violence.

I do not hate homosexuals. I do however very strongly disapprove of their choice of lifestyle. I know that is not a popular opinion in this day and age, especially in Canada where I live. But if I went on the news and said I hate the choices people make when they indulge in a homosexual lifestyle, I would be condemned as a "homophobe". Isn't that my choice, my free opinion? Let me ask you this. Why is there a "gay pride" week and day and all that [censored], but if I tried to create a "heterosexual pride" day or week or whatever, I'd be considered a homophobe? Why can't I be proud of being a male, white, heterosexual person, without being condemned as a racist, sexist homophobe if I express pride in what I am?

Ladies and gentlemen, the world has swung too far. Trying to make up for the mistakes of the past has pushed the pendulum of acceptability too far the other way.

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I agree with Imperator Fyron.

Imperator Fyron said:
This is going to far... Lets all back away from this conversation now.


Remember the lives that were lost so that we could have the privilege of voicing our opinions right here on this board. They died believing that they would create a better world for their children and so on. We need to learn to differentiate good from bad and just leave it at that! BUT most of all we need to learn to get along together with each other.

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My comparison of heterosexuals regards to their relationship with homosexuals and americans of african descent and americans of european descent was only invoked to rebuke AT's flawed comparison of white power movements to black power movements or gay pride movements. I, in no way possible, said, meant to say, or alluded to saying that all whites are KKK members, or all germans are Nazis, or all heterosexuals are Fred Phelps-loving gay bashers. If you have construed my statement as saying the aforementioned opinions, then it is clear that you have read it out of context - that you have only quote-mined what I said. I would advise you to read the entire thread before accusing a person of saying such and such.

And as for your opinion on gay pride marches, do look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights

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I have read the entire thread, from start to finish. However, I did take what you wrote in the wrong context, likely due to the speed at which I read it. It seems I have offended you, and I wish to say that that was not my intent, I merely was talking about a subject that can bother me greatly, and I obviously wrote too quickly, before thinking enough. I am sorry.

I must say though that my opinions of Gay Pride marches and the like were not changed much by the link you provided. I guess I am too set in my ways.

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Generally, the incidence rate of a crime has little to do with how reprehensible we find it. Just becuase something is isolated, does not make it any less wrong.

Lynching, in the traditional sense of the term, was also "isolated" in its' ocurrence. Despite that it happened only in "isolated" instances does not mitigate it's vileness.

The vileness of such a crime comes from the fact that it is an assualt upon the very definition of a person. A person who is black, or purple, or whatever, cannot change that fact - and an assualt upon them based on that very fact is generally understood to be more than just a "regular" assualt. I beleive this is part of the definition of hate crime: if I go out and murder someone, I have committed murder. But if I go out and murder the same person becuase they are white, then I have committed a hate crime - at least some would say.

Generally, I think in discussions like this I always come back to the idea that if one doesn't like homosexuality, don;t be homosexual. If one doesn't like Nazism, don't be a nazi. If one doesn't like relations before marriage, don't do it before marriage. If one doesn't like abortions, don't have one.

Frankly, just as I would fight to the death for the right of someone to burn a US flag or march in a Nazi march, I would find those acts just as reprehensible. But the Free Speech amendment is there for a reason. Possibly the most important reason in human history.

Alarik

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TerranC point being saying "Black Power" movements have never caused a World War is sort of like saying it's all the White man's fault that there were wars when let's be honest Black Power movements are not made up of the most charismatic or intelligent folks in the world I mean look at the "Muslim Brotherhood" they are irritating as hell even to the majority of black people I've met (although some are almost as bad in their own ways) and the Black Panthers are just morons all way around.

So if you want to "generalize' I think you'd have to say the only reason black power movements have never caused a world war is because the vast majority of those in Black Power movements aren't bright enough or charismatic enough to gain any kind of real power.

And if you looked at Germany the Nazi party gained power because the vast majority of Europeans are white yes, but also because in a way they rebuilt the German infrastructure they made Germany powerful again and they appealed not to "White pride" but GERMAN pride and GERMAN heritage as their rallying point, and as they "Liberated other Germanic nations" from the "oppression" of other countries the Germans and even hundreds of thousands of others from other surrounding nations were in a way pleased to see their "original" heritage being honored again and rising to power again after so long.

It's a little known fact but there were actually HUNDREDS of AMERICANS in the German Army during WWII and I do mean pure blooded born and bred Americans that were of German heritage and who were sent over by their families to "Fight for your Fatherland".

It was not "racism" alone That caused WWII but a mixture of economic and political problems that gave the Nazi Party it's break in the world to raise an army and get it's people riled up.

And the Modern "Neo-Nazis" obviously have never studied history as

1. They claim to be socialist while the real Nazi's who they claim to emulate were Fascist

2. They are an undisciplined bunch of idiots while the original Nazis were strict and regimented to keep the people in line.

3. The modern "Nazis" go around yelling Zeig Heil (sp?) which I've been told means "Victory and Welfare" about thirty times in a row and stomping and throwing a half assed Nazi salute.
While you'd only ever hear the real Nazis say it a handful of times in any given "ralley" much like we'd say "God bless America" or in the case of Brits "God Save the Queen" nobody would be stomping or shouting it like idiots either. I just find that funny is all.

And let's face it the modern "White Power" movements have NEVER caused a world war and probobly never will so you can NOT say "White Power movements" or White anything caused WWII because your seriously forgetting the Japanese and I don't think they subscribed to "White Power" do you?

Finally i have to say it here to risk offending anyone or sounding a little racist if I do sound racist I'm sorry but here it is anyway.

The vast majority of countries who's main populace is black (I'm damn well not saying "African American" because there are a BUNCH of countries who aren't american but are black) are dirt poor and too busy dealing with "Drugs, tribal warfare, ethnic cleansing" and other crap to cause any world wide trouble I mean have you looked at Africa lately....two words "Hell Hole" not to mention primitive people who still beleive in zombies for crying out loud! Are these the people you think would be ABLE to start a world war?

So if you want to stick to "racial" theories the only reason black people have never started a world war is because they can't run their own countries much less anyone else's.

(I personally am NOT racist my best friend for a long time was a black guy I knew, I've asked out a Chinese girl and I've had several black friends)

But race wise let's look at it from a standoffish point of view if your want to stick to which "races" are more likely to cause a world war it's going to be white's and Asians because if you even look at Neighborhoods within the US white and Asian majority neighborhoods have far less crime then black neighborhoods not to mention the ghetto and the fact that Africa is basically one giant ghetto for the most part.

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You know what's funny I didn't even mean this to turn into a big "battle of the racial who dun'its" debate I just wanted to vent about the fact that I can't beleive Nazi's would be coming to my area lol

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Post deleted due to insignificance. Let's let this die.

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The only reason black power movements have never caused a world war is they don't preach it.

As for your very, very flawed comment about no one in black power movements being charismatic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokely_Carmichael
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Garvey
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They did that after they gained power as a means of preparing for an efficient and massive invasion. Germany being powerful and rich for their own sakes was not part of the plan.
They never appealed to the german public for their appeals to "German Pride" and German Heritage; They were first elected to the Reichstag because of their views on the economy, and then just barely. As Hitler set in motion his expanssionistic policies, he needed to justify them: their ideas of "german pride" and "german heritage" fit perfectly. After those ideas had outgrown their use, they were warped into the "aryan pride" and "aryan heritage" ideals we know now, which proposes that Germany isn't even German in the first place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace-Lorraine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschlu..._the_Anschluss
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_T...d_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...dash.3B1945.29

And they were promptly killed/maimed/imprisonned/dragged off to gulags for being fanatics and simpletons. What's your point?
I'm not arguing that, and I have never alluded to arguing that.
You mean national socialist, which is fascist.
Which (strict regimentation) appeals to those who are undisciplined in their own upbringing.
... I won't get into the wrongness of equating Seig Heil and the sort with "God bless america" and "God save the queen" and other sort of patriotic cries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieg_heil

Just what are you trying to say here? Those who are Nazis today weren't the Nazis of yesterday so they're alright? The Nazis of today are docile creatures who wouldn't dare to dream about WW3 and the sort?

They subscribed the idea of Japanese Exceptionalism, which might as well be a Japanese version of White Power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War

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LOCK IT....DELETE IT!

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I agree. Let's shove this off into the pits of the archives, never to be seen again by mortal eyes.

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If "those race riots back in the 90s" you're refering to are the LA Riots, I think you need to read up on the history behind it a little more. The riots only superficially seemed to be racial; while it was mostly black and hispanics that participated, there were a number of whites as well. What they all had in common was they were poor, had no jobs because of the downturned economy, and lived in an area largely neglected by the powers-that-be in LA. The riots were an expression of anger over the verdict in the Rodney King trial, where four LAPD officers were acquitted of wrongdoing in their beating of a black man (and IIRC, they were acquitted in a trial held in a mostly white and asian upper middle class town in the Valley). It was the straw that broke the camels back, to use the cliche. There were also a few other incidents leading up to the riots that fueled malcontent.

To say that is was a "black power" thing is simply flat out wrong. It was really more of a thing of poor people lashing out at the more affluent and people in power. "Burning their own neighborhoods" might seem like a stupid thing to you. And it is, but not for the reasons you think. It's stupid because it's a senseless act of destruction, but there is nothing about South Central, Watts, etc. that these people "owned". And that's part of the cause for them lashing out.

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Okay, i have considered very long weather i post in this thread or weather not. i will, as you all see.
First let me express my wondering and my "shock" when i folowed this discussion ( while reading it).
You talk about someting, i think you do not really understand. This Nazi march in Yorktown is surely an absolutely disgusting thing to hear of and you bet i would be very happy to hear that your National Guard or police SWAT would cap those goonies alltogether, but for starters, as your constitution allows such idiots to go around you will have to show courage and show up as some of you metioned and show them they are alone.
But are they really? There are for sure many decent people who care about the human rights and adore freedom and are everything but racists. But you also have a lot of folk who still thinks they are sometime in the Confederated States. KuKLuxKlan, this Militia goons, and all that other white rasist movements you have, you have named some of them, i believe there are many more. WHile you could say, you in germany have them too, i would reply: Yes, but our Nazi´s are only "armed" with their hate, their ignorant view of the modern world while your racists are armed with guns legally to put it on the top. So, the possible danger coming from yor nazis and white power "mongers" is far more capable of creating mayhem than those in germany. Adding the fact that you have a lunatic warmonger in your administration who tries to "eradicate" his "axis of evil" with the pure and cleansing fire of another crusade to the "holy lands", who plays with the fear of a lot of people to cut on the rights of these and creating a very special "land of the free" ( wher free is what patriotism dictates)and i think you have a lot of thinking to do in your land to ensure the freedom and equality of all people. You speak so easily of all this, one could think this i s asort of small talk to you all and this would surely shock me the hell out of me.
Fact is: There is discrimination of people with different "color" done by "white" men, they lash out against gays and have implemented laws against those people ( The Nazi´sdid that too) Not so long ago there was still apartheid in your country, you brought those first afro americans as slave stock to america and you really wonder why they are different? You made them to be. When i watch CNN sometime, i do nearly allways see "black" people having committed some crime or were shot. Are there no "white" criminals or are they not so important to show. The society which was ceated decades ago hasn´t still changed enough to cancel this mistakes. You call it the land of the free, but when you "conquered" the land which you now call free, you committed nearly genocide with your native indians. Oh yes, you care about them, you gave them reservations where they can live.............
Again, i excuse myself for my words with all those decent and fine folks out there, and by calling you you, i mean of course your ancestors.
Somebody said something like:"if they like to demonstrate let them and vice versa you can say if they like to be racists, let them" I say no! Try to do not let them. Stand up and stand against this mess. Stop them, if you cannot persuade them to see things right, make laws and forbit them. Be tough and have "nuts" and ban weapons.
Do yo know how difficult it is here in germany to get legally a gun as a private person? Nearly impossible and that´s okay. i do not want anybody shooting me just because he is allowed to wear a gun and he doesn´t like my face or what i say. As long as you have the courage and stand up, changes are possible.
And before you start bashing me around as a bloody german, let me say this:
My mom sat in her basement having bombs dropped at her from Brits and yanks alike, my father was in russia and came out of it in a state that it killed him years later when i was a child and my grandpa was tortured by the GESTAPO in prison for his beliefs so i am for sure no "german nazi" as mot of us aren´t; as most of you aren´tracists too.

You know,when i read such threads i got this "bad" feeling. As i said before, the danger in these things is allways that it gets smalltalk and "nonsense" having everybody say : Oh yes, yess, bad,bad........."

Thats all from me....

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You do realize that every time you do that the topic gets bumped to the top of the list, right?

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yeah, I think we should amend the first amendment so that is someone says something to piss you off you get to take a free shot at their balls/ovaries in a roshambo like duel. 10 paces, turn and PUNT! No permenant damage, just a good clear shot at their balls/ovaries, they can block it if they see it coming, and they can retaliate and you can block it if you're quick.

If there were some kind of consequenses for "free" speach that is likely to piss someone off then we'd all be better off.

Also if a kid who is not our kid is in a checkout like is shrieking, we should be able to beat them mersilessly.

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Sorry, all, for yet another post, which will not help the desire to end this thread. But some things cannot go by without being challenged. Gotta speak the truth to power, if ya know what I mean.

So here goes:

Starhawk, with all due respect, I think that you sound like a person who is trying to justify their ethno-nationalist beleifs, without actually understanding that they are racist. Plus, there are a number of fundamental errors that others have pointed out ("national socialist" is fascist, not socialist, etc...)

An educated opinion, is much more powerful than an uneducated one. I would encourage you, in all honesty, to do some research before making claims such as those you have made above. Start with neo-nazi websites, and then go to www.splcenter.org and so forth...

The majority of people in the US apparently belive that Armageddon is around the corner, that these are the last days, that the AntiChrist walks the land, and pretty soon Christ will Rise again etc...And, heck, the whole new age, crystal, tarot card reading, reiki, all that stuff is just as unfounded and silly as "zombie-ism"...and I bet a whole lote more people in the States beleive in that than Africans beleive in Zombies.

from Webster's:
Racism:
1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Sorry, Starhawk, I think you are a racist. By claiming that a group of people exhibit characteristics such as "primitive" unable to run their own affairs, live in hell hoels, etc...based solely on their skin color, is fundamentally a racist viewpoint.

I suggest going to Africa before making these types of statements. At least educate yourself a bit more. Also look up the meaning of the word ghetto - I think you just mean "screwed up". Having spent quite a lot of time in Africa, I can tell you that the vast majority of people there are wonderful people who are trying to do their best in awful situations. Tribalism and corruption have screwed them, its' true, but to claim that becuase they are black they can't get their act together, is basically racist.

Eventually, I beleive that you will become more educated - I think you said earlier you're 17 years old, right? Perhaps after going to university you'll be exposed to different viewpoints and ideas, and get away from what has clearly been a very limited set of experiences. Broadening one's mind is one of the most important and illuminating things one can do for oneself.

Yours,

Alarik

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Well truthfully I did not read all the comments you wrote but I think neo nazis are idiots and so on...it is in their right to protest which i wish they didn't but....
In san francisco this sunday was the gay parade. A bunch BUNCH of gay guys showing their pride. what do you think of that guys? I mean in my opinion that is gross but was wondering what you though.

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I read a little bit more and saw what you wrote about the black community bringing back their disgrimination...w/ all the ppl i know agree that blacks from africa actually work to get ahead and have good lives unlike the other blacks who are disgriminate verse the whites long ago. And not they try to get back at us...i mean that is wrong. Did you hear that Richmond, California is in code red because the blacks live there and are killing eachother and any white person who enters their area, there are ppl selling drugs in the streets and police are not doing anything.

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Well I also disagree with the whole thing, but it is their right to show pride in what they want. Doesn't mean people like you and I have to approve though.

If you read about a page back, there was a fair bit said about this very subject. No need to go through it again.

To Alarikf: Suggesting to Starhawk that he check out Holocaust denying literature was going a little far don't you think? Just my opinion on that one.

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Has anyone else noticed the lack of other activity on this board since this topic became so heated? Perhaps it is, as other's have said, time to let it die.

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Done. Thanks for calling me on it. Good to have a sanity check...

Geoschmo, AT, somebody: KILL THIS THREAD, DELETE IT!

thanks,

Alarik

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Let it die. I will lock it down for 24 hours to burry it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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