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obat53 Switzerland
I have modified obat53 (swiss army) with many changes.
Tried to touch the original not to much (except some better or realer names for them) but added lots of real units, possible units and some "unreal" or future units. Also added them to the formations. Any interest? Here a short list what I changed: -Several names e.g. AMX-13 is better known as Pz 51 -G13 Hetzer is just known as G13 and as I know the swiss version didn't have a MG; but not so sure here, so I left the original in the place and added a swiss version. -added some 30/40 tanks for the early stage of the game (Renault M17 and PzW34 Vickers) -added the original german/tchechish Version PzKpfw 38(t)(as far I know they were also in use, only some were changed with the swiss 24mm Gun) -correctet the version names (55a into 55, 55 into 55/60, 55/60 into 55/60 AA2 and so on) -Pz 68 and 61; added Prototyp (Pz58)and some other version numbers (Pz61 AA7/8, Pz68/75 AA3 und AA4, Pz68 AA5; the old Pz68AA3 and AA4 stayed as they represent the refited Pz68 with the smaller turret! The Pz68/75 actually had a bigger turret but the same version no. AA3 and AA4) -Name change Leopard tank into Pz87 LEO -> it's the 2A4 Version; the newer Version is called Pz87 LEO WE (=Werterhaltung) -Name change of the SP Guns, APC's and so on (e.g. 10.6cmPAK58Jeep, Spz2000(CV9030), TransportPz T16, PAL BB65 Hafl.) -AT Guns / Inf AT (10.6 cm PAK 58, 20mm TB Solo Tm, 8.3cm RackR 50, PAL BB65 Bantam etc.) -Jaegers -> Fuesilier! -Engineers -> Genietruppen -Sniper -> Scharfschuetze -Grenadier -> PzGrenadier (and added Fallschirmgrenadier, Gebirgsgrenadier and Gebirgsinfanterie) -added "new" Commando tanks (FO) Pz87 is used as it, also KdoRadSPz 93/99 and Kdo Pz 2000 (also Kdo Piranha 6x6 sooner or later) -SP Artillery (mod. M109!) is called Panzer Haubitze 88 (PzHb88) with diferent Versions. Added /99 and /01 with modern Ammo. -added some Trucks (e.g. Duro) -added Dauphin EuroC and some Pilatus Aircrafts -BISON! web page[/url] http://www.ruag.com/ruag/juice?pageID=87631 -and more... edit: New attachement; formation names translated... |
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yes. I'll check it out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
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As I can see there are some downloads. So please post your comments here!
[img]/threads/images/Graemlins/PointUp.gif[/img] I added a new version... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif |
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What did you update? I like your effort. I had modified my obat originally to add airborne as well.
I haven't had time to play a game with it yet but I have looked over the first version that you did. I will try it out this weekend. |
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I checked through your OOB, Not bad at all! I will download your update and have a look through that one too.
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Didn't change much, but when I played I found some "bugs" (like wrong dates for some units or spelling faults etc.)
Added a few more units (like a special force "A Aufkl Det 10" similar to the British SEALS and the "Grenadier A XXI"; there are no more diferent Grenadiere in the "Armee XXI") |
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Thats good to hear. Hope you fix those bugs alright. When will you post up the new OOB?
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I modified the newest version (from patch 3.0).
Here is a complete List: Number / name / better designation / date / description 001 **Switzerland** Flag is Square 002 Pz 51 Pz 51 (AMX-13) better LBM 7099 003 Pz 55a Pz 55 no 55a known, better LBM 8012, Centurion ~Mk3 004 Pz 55 Pz 55/60 60-82 1st refit, better LBM 8012, Centurion ~Mk5 005 Pz 57 Pz 57/60 61-82 1st refit, Centurion ~Mk7 006 Pz 55/60 Pz 55/60 AA2 83-92 2nd refit, was actually longer in service then Pz 57/60 AA2 007 Pz 57/60 Pz 57/60 AA2 83-90 2nd refit 008 Pz 61 63-82 009 Pz 61 Pz 61 AA9 83-85 last version of Pz 61 012 Pz 68 AA2 77-82 through the earlier date poss. still Weapon 90 (105mm L7 UK73) in use 013 Pz 68 AA3 was at least the same as Unit 006/007 -> Vision 30, Fire control was even better -> 20 014 Pz 68 AA4 again Fire control would be better then 013 -> 25 016 Pz 68/88 89-104 Had the same equipment as the earlier LEO (unit 018), so vision and fire control 40 018 Pz 87 H1 Pz 87 LEO (2A4) 87-95 no H1 known, 1st refit in 96 (minor see unit 875), total of 42 rounds not 40, newer MGs -> MG87 and MG71 019 Pz Haubitze M66 Pz Hb 66 no M 020 Pz Hpze M66/74 Pz Hb 66/74 no Hpze, no M, had already weapon 114 (155mm M185 FH), better LBM 12041 021 Pz Haubitze M74 Pz Hb 74 + 79 2nd lot in 79 (same as 74 but named 79) 022 Pz Haubitze M88 Pz Hb 79/88 023 Mw Pz 64 64-79 newer versions 024 Pz Hpze M88/95 PzHb 88/95 KW I 95-120 first of three refits (KAWEST, 99 and 101), manly minor change -> intelligent ammunition 025 Pz 39 Pz (LTH) Why is weapon slot 3 free? 026 Pz 87 H2 Pz 87 LEO WE 07 107-120 this ('07) and '08 years refit! poss FT HEAT armor to high -> change down to 150, new MGs/gun/ammo as well 027 Pz 87 H2 Pz 87 LEO WE 01 101-120 refit was delayed, poss FT HEAT armor to high -> change down to 130, new MGs 030 106mm RCL Jeep 10.6cmPAK58Jeep 031 106mm RCL Jeep 10.6cmPAK80Jeep 032 Bantam Truck PAL BB65 Hafl. 033 Piranha-AT 6x6 TOW Piranha PJ (PJ is for Panzerjaeger -> to long here), date is poss. wrong too, role as SP ATGM has changed to SCOUT already 034 Universal T16 TransportPz T16 035 SchutzenPz 63 SPz 63 Schutzen -> Schuetzen! 036 Schutz. Pz 63/73 SPz 63/73 037 Schutz. Pz 63/89 SPz 63/89 89-110 will be soon replaced completely 039 Staghound Staghound was actualy NEVER in service used only as target for training 041 SchutzenPz 2000 Spz2000(CV9030) Schutzen -> Schuetzen 046 Field Car Gelaendewagen 050 106mm Recoiless 10.6cm PAK 80 051 Field Car Gelaendewagen 059 Piranha 8x8 RadSpz Piranha 060 Puch Haflinger Puch Haflinger 60-98 there might be one or two still in use 061 Pinzgauer 4x4 69-104 replaced by Duro 062 Pinzgauer 6x6 69-102 replaced by Duro 063 Light Truck Carry 113, otherwise no carrier for Inf 064 ATR Team 20mm TB Solo Tm TB is for Tankbuechse 067 M50 Team 8.3cm RackR 50 068 M58 Team 8.3cm RackR 58 069 M80 Team 8.3cm RackR 80 070 Pzfaust3 Team PzFaust 3 Tm Capital F 071 106mm Recoiless 10.6cm PAK 58 072 Bantam Team PAL BB65 Bantam 073 Dragon Team PAL BB77 Dragon 074 Dragon II Team PAL BB77 DrII 075 Dragon II Team PAL BB77 DrII90 076 2x60mm Mortars 2x60mm Moerser 077 2x81mm Mortars 2x81mm Moerser 078 2x81mm Mortars 2x81mm Moerser 079 2x120mm Mortars 2x120mm Moerser 080 2x120mm Mortars 2x120mm Moerser 081 2x120mm Mortars 2x120mm Moerser 082 20mm AA-Gun 44 20mm Flab 44 Flab -> Flugabwehr 083 20mm AA-Gun 57 20mm Flab 57 084 20mm AA-Gun 54 20mm Flab 54 085 34mm AA-Gun 38 34mm Flab 38 086 35mm AA-Gun 63 34mm Flab 63 087 35mm AA-Gun 90 34mm Flab 90 weapon slot 2 -> Stgw 90 088 35mm Radar AAA Flab 75 Radar 089 35mm Radar AAA Flab 75/95 Rad. 097 Fuesilier Fuesilier 11 098 Fusiliers Fuesilier 11 u -> ue, no s for plural / Index 11 -> Rifle 099 Fusiliers Fuesilier 31 100 Fusiliers Fuesilier 31 101 Fusiliers Fuesilier 57 102 Fusiliers Fuesilier 57 103 Fusiliers Fuesilier 57 104 Fusiliers Fuesilier 90 105 Fusiliers Fuesilier 90 107 Engineers Genietruppe 31 108 Engineers Genietruppe 57 109 Engineers Genietruppe 90 also PzSap -> Panzer Sappeur 110 7.5mm M51 MMGs 7.5mm M51 / 57 111 7.5mm M51 MMGs 7.5mm M51 / 90 112 Sniper Scharfschuetze 113 Sniper Scharfschuetze 114 Sniper Scharfschuetze 115 Sniper Scharfschuetze 116 Sniper Scharfschuetze 117 Sniper Scharfschuetze 118 Sniper Scharfschuetze 119 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 31 no s for plural / Index 31 -> Rifle 120 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 31 121 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 31 122 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 57 123 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 57 124 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 57 125 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 90 126 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 90 127 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 90+ 128 PzGrenadiers PzGrenadier 90+ 129 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 31 Index 31 -> Rifle 130 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 31 131 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 31 132 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 57 133 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 57 134 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 57 135 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 90 136 Bicycle Section Radfahrer 90 140 Super Puma better LBM 7093 and Icon 914 147 Hunter Mk 58 Speed is 1 -> 10 150 EFW Mirage III 66-102 153 EFW Tiger II 82-110 not replaced yet 154 FAF Hawk *FAF Hawk 90-105 Was in service only as training aircraft 155 FAF Hawk *FAF Hawk 90-105 Was in service only as training aircraft 161 EFW Mirage III 93-105 last lot of Mirage gone 162 12.7mm HMG 12.7mm HMG / 57 163 12.7mm HMG 12.7mm HMG / 90 165 Dragon 98 Team PAL BB77 DrII98 166 Dragon 2000 Tm PAL BB77 DrII00 104-120 not 'til 97 168 PAH-2 Tiger UHT *PAH-2 Tiger poss. but I dont think so 169 PAH-2 Tiger UHT *PAH-2 Tiger poss. but I dont think so 173 2x81mm Mortars 2x81mm Moerser 174 2x120mm Mortars 2x120mm Moerser 175 2x60mm Mortars 2x60mm Moerser 179 47mm AT-Gun 4.7cm PAK 41 180 90mm AT-Gun 50 9cm PAK 50 181 90mm AT-Gun 57 9cm PAK 57 182 90mm AT-Gun 50 9cm PAK 50/80 183 90mm AT-Gun 57 9cm PAK 57/80 184 2x120mm Mortars 2x120mm Moerser 188 Scout Sec Aufklaerer 31 189 Scout Sec Aufklaerer 57 190 Scout Sec Aufklaerer 57 191 Scout Sec Aufklaerer 90 192 Scout Sec Aufklaerer 90 210 KommandoPz 63 Kdo Pz 63 211 Kdo Pz 63/73 Weapon Slot 1 -> no 20mm cannon only 12.7mm MG (Weapon 16) 212 Kdo Pz 63/73 Kdo Pz 63/89 90-106 Weapon Slot 1 -> no 20mm cannon only 12.7mm MG (Weapon 16) 213 Kdo Pz 63/73 Kdo Pz 63/97 Weapon Slot 1 -> no 20mm cannon only NEW 12.7mm MG (Weapon 228) 214 Alouette III AT *Alouette III Might be poss. If it would have been necessary 215 Dauphin EuroC EuroCopter 135 108-120 LBM 14270, Vision 40 216 Dauphin MG EuroCopter 635 108-120 EW 3, Vision 50 etc. 217 Alouette III 218 Alouette III MG Super Puma TH89 89-120 wrong Helo 219 Super Puma MG Super Puma WE 107-120 only one LMG 220 Spotter Plane 221 Dauphin AT *EC 635 AT 110-120 Might be poss. If it will be necessary 222 Puma AT *Cougar AT 110-120 Might be poss. If it will be necessary 223 Alouette III AT *Alouette III Might be poss. If it would have been necessary 224 Alouette III AT *Alouette III Might be poss. If it would have been necessary 225 M113 DIRA MLRS 228 GeniePanzer 63 63-88 253 FO Team SchiessKdt 31 254 FO Team SchiessKdt 57 255 FO Team SchiessKdt 90 256 FO Team SchiessKdt 90 257 FO Team SchiessKdt 90 258 FO Team SchiessKdt 90 259 FO Car SchiessKdt GelW 265 7.5mm M51 AAMG 7.5mm MG51 Flab 300 G-13 G-13 - Pz 38(t) 311 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 57 312 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 57 313 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 57 314 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 57 315 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 90 316 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 90 317 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 90 318 Paratroops Fallsch-Gren 90 596 Ammo Container Mun. Container 597 Ammo Wagon Munitionswagen 598 Wagon Pferdewagen 599 Pack Mules Packesel 601 **new rael** 603 Kdo Pz 87 LEO 2 Tank in use as FO Vehicle 604 Kdo RadSpez93/99 Light armored FO Vehicle for light troops 605 Kdo Pz 2000 new APC -> new FO Vehicle 606 Kdo Piranha 6x6 ATGM Vehicle without TOW-Tower in a new role 607 PzHb 88/95 KW-2 refit in 99 608 PzHb 88/95 KW-3 new ammo in 2001 609 3x PzHb 88/95-2 610 3x PzHb 88/95-3 612 Bucher Duro THE light truck now 613 Unimog 614 Saurer 6DM instead of generic Medium Truck 615 Saurer 8DM instead of generic Heavy Truck 616 Saurer 10DM instead of generic (Very) Heavy Truck 619 RANGER UAV THE unmaned FO Aircraft, with RADAR 620 PC-6 B2 FO Aircraft 621 PC-7 FO Aircraft 622 PC-9 FO Aircraft 623 ADS 95 earlier Version of UAV Ranger 624 PC-6 B2 THE transport Aircraft for Paratroops 626 BISON THE mountain keep with a big gun 627 2x BISON** always comes in pairs 628 Antitank Bunker just an other bunker 630 Kdo Pinz 4x4 unarmed FO Vehicle 631 Kdo Puch 4x4 unarmed FO Vehicle 632 Kdo Duro 4x4 unarmed FO Vehicle 633 Kdo Duro 4x4 unarmed FO Vehicle 634 Entp Pz 65/88 replaced GeniePanzer 63 (unit 228) 635 Mirm Pz 63/00 Mine clearing tank, based on a M113 636 BergePz Bueffel Engineer tank, based on LEO 2 637 Kran Pz 63 Engineer tank, based on a M113 638 Entp Pz 65 Engineer tank, poss. it is unit 228 639 KODIAK (AEV3) Engineer tank, based on LEO 2 640 KODIAK (AEV3) Mine clearing tank, based on LEO 2 642 Condor 650 / 31 Motorcycle with sidecar 643 Condor 650 / 57 Motorcycle with sidecar 644 Condor 350 / 57 Motorcycle 645 Condor 350 / 90 Motorcycle, I drove it at my service! 646 BMW 650 F / 90 Motorcycle, I drove it at my service! 647 BMW 650 F / 90+ Motorcycle 648 Pontoniere 31 Marine Engineers 649 Pontoniere 31 Marine Engineers 650 Pontoniere 57 Marine Engineers 651 Pontoniere 57 Marine Engineers 652 Pontoniere 90 Marine Engineers 653 Holzboot Wooden boat, not real good ICON for it 654 Pononierboot A bit mor stable boat, not real good ICON for it 655 Sturmboot generic boat, not real good ICON for it 656 Patroullienboot armed patrol boat, ot real good ICON for it 657 Patroullienboot armed patrol boat, ot real good ICON for it 658 Patroullienboot armed patrol boat, ot real good ICON for it 659 Sandbag MG / 31 660 Sandbag MG / 57 661 Sandbag MG / 57 662 Sandbag MG / 90 663 Sandbag MG / 90 664 Sandbag MG / 11 666 Geb. Inf. 31 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie) 667 Geb. Inf. 31 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie) 668 Geb. Inf. 57 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie) 669 Geb. Inf. 57 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie) 670 Geb. Inf. 90 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie) 671 Geb. Inf. 90 Ski troops (Gebirgsinfanterie) 673 Genietruppe 31 with rifle grenades 674 Genietruppe 57 with rifle grenades 676 Geb. Gren. 31 Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere) 677 Geb. Gren. 31 Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere) 678 Geb. Gren. 57 Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere) 679 Geb. Gren. 57 Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere) 680 Geb. Gren. 90 Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere) 681 Geb. Gren. 90+ Heavy Ski troops (Gebirgsgrenadiere) 683 PzFaust 3 T Tm missing unit 684 PzFaust 3 IT Tm missing unit 688 4.7cm PAK 41 Weapon Slot 2 different 689 9cm PAK 50 Weapon Slot 2 different 690 9cm PAK 57 Weapon Slot 2 different 691 24mm TB 41 Tm 24mm version 692 4.7cm IK 35/41 IK -> Infanteriekanone 694 Sch.sch.SIG550 Stgw90 with Sniper targeting system 696 Fuesilier 57 with rifle grenades 697 PzGrenadier 57 with rifle grenades 698 Radfahrer 57 with rifle grenades 699 Aufklaerer 57 with rifle grenades 700 Fuesilier 90+ with PzFaust 3T DC 701 Radfahrer 90+ with PzFaust 3T DC 702 Aufklaerer 90 with rifle grenades 704 A Aufkl Det 10 THE elit unit (Commando scouts, poss. ranger) 705 Gren. A XXI PAL THE new Grenadier (Commandos) with ATGM-Weapon 706 Grenadier A XXI THE new Grenadier (Commandos) 707 Grenadier A XXI THE new Grenadier (Commandos) 710 Funk Puch 4x4 instead of generic Scout vehicle 711 Funk Jeep instead of generic Scout vehicle 713 Jeep Utility vehicle 714 Puck 4x4 Utility vehicle 720 3x60mm Moerser tripple Mortars 721 3x60mm Moerser tripple Mortars 722 3x81mm Moerser tripple Mortars 723 3x81mm Moerser tripple Mortars 724 3x81mm Moerser tripple Mortars 725 3x120mm Moerser tripple Mortars 726 3x120mm Moerser tripple Mortars 727 3x120mm Moerser tripple Mortars 728 3x120mm Moerser tripple Mortars 729 3x120mm Moerser tripple Mortars 731 4xM50 FH 155mm Howitzer come in packs of four 732 4xM-35 105mm Howitzer come in packs of four 733 4xM-46 105mm Howitzer come in packs of four 734 4xM-42 155mm Howitzer come in packs of four 735 4xPz Hb 66 Artillery come in pack of four 736 4xPz Hb 74-88 Artillery come in pack of four 737 4xPz Hb 88/95 Artillery come in pack of four 738 4xPz Hb 88/95-3 Artillery come in pack of four 863 Rpe Trsw 68 poss. It is unit 236 865 Personenwagen Utility vehicle 866 M37 Dodge 4x4 Utility vehicle 868 PC-21 the new OP Aircraft and trainer 869 Polizei Police 870 Polizei Police 871 Polizei Police 872 Piranha 6x6 Piranha 6x6 without TOW used as armoured car 873 TOW Piranha PJ+ EW 3 (VIRSS 1 shot) if used as ATGM 875 Pz 87 LEO (A4+) the same as unit 018 but with refited gun / new ammo 876 Pz 87 LEO WE+07 the same as unit 026 but with VIRSS 1 shot 877 Pz 87 LEO WE+10 THE newst refit of LEO 2 is planed (~A6) with VIRSS 879 RadSPzPiranha+ the same as unit 059 but with VIRSS 2 shots 880 RadSPzPiranhaAC the same as unit 879 but with 20mm cannon (~ASLAV) 882 Mw Pz 64/74 SP Mortar with newer Mortar then unit 023 883 Mw Pz 64/87 SP Mortar with newer Mortar then unit 882 884 Mw Pz 64/91 BH SP Mortar with newer Mortar then unit 883 and refited M113 base 886 Flab Pz 68 a few were built and in use for about six years 888 Trial Truppe 11 cavalry 890 ITOW Team TOW is in use since 1986 891 TOW 2 Team 893 MOWAG Eagle IV+ in use as APC with VIRSS 2 shots 894 MOWAG Eagle IV in use as APC 896 RadSPz Piranha in use as armoured car 897 MOWAG Eagle in use as armoured car 899 TOW Piranha AU Piranha 6x6 used as Scout vehicle, TOW as self defense weapon 901 Bunker Heavy fortifications - Mountain cavern 902 Pz Shelter Heavy fortifications - Mountain cavern 904 Festung 31 Heavy fortifications - Mountain cavern 905 Festung 57 Heavy fortifications - Mountain cavern 906 Festung 90 Heavy fortifications - Mountain cavern 907 Bloodhound SAM still in use after refit until 1999 908 Rapier SAM Mk2 improved Rapier since 2004 909 Tracked Rapier+ improved tracked Rapier at 2014 911 Crew 90 Never leave your personal weapon 912 Crew SMG Never leave your personal weapon 914 Pz 68 AA5 90-99 latest version of Pz 68 915 Pz 68/75 (AA4) 83-95 bigger turret then Pz 68 AA4 916 Pz 68/75 (AA3) 79-93 bigger turret then Pz 68 AA3 917 Pz 61 AA7/8 76-82 2nd last version of Pz 61 918 Pz 58 (61) 58-64 prototype of Pz 61, several built and in use for ca. 6 years 919 G-13 - CH vers. G-16 without MG 920 PzKpfw 38(t) original from Pz 39 (unit25), in use before rebuilt 921 Renault M17 FT 46-48 early tank 922 PzW 34 VICKERS 46-50 early tank 924 Vickers HMG 46-56 Haevy MG Team 926 Patroullie 31 Marines, patrol boat crew 927 Patroullie 57 Marines, patrol boat crew 928 Patroullie 57 Marines, patrol boat crew 929 Patroullie 90 Marines, patrol boat crew 931 KC 57 guards squad / military police 932 KC 57 guards squad / military police 933 KC 90 guards squad / military police 934 Sappeur 11 commando engineers / demolition squad 935 Sappeur 31 commando engineers / demolition squad 936 Sappeur 57 commando engineers / demolition squad 937 Sappeur 90 commando engineers / demolition squad 938 Sappeur RL 96 commando engineers / demolition squad 939 PzArtillerieK68 73-85 105mm artillery cannon 941 LPz2000 (CV90) 110-120 possible light tank based on CV90 with short 120mm gun 943 MOWAG Eagle V possible next generation scout vehicle 944 MOWAG Eagle V possible next generation armoured car 946 JAS39 Gripen 114-120 possible for replacing Tiger II 947 Eurofighter 114-120 possible for replacing Tiger II 948 Eurofighter 114-120 possible for replacing Tiger II 949 Rafale Air 114-120 possible for replacing Tiger II 950 F/A-18F Hornet 114-120 possible for replacing Tiger II 952 Bulldozer 955 *unreal past* 957 2x 81mm LLRS M113 with long range rocket launcher 959 PC-7 (FB) PC-7 as Fighter-Bomber 960 PC-7 (LB) PC-7 as Level Bomber 962 Staghound 60 fills gap 963 Pz 57 / 88 Centurion modern 964 Pz 57 / 120mm Centurion modern 970 *unreal future* 972 RadSPz TOW 8x8 ultimate heavy APC 973 TOW Piranha 8x8 why not 8x8 instaed of 6x6 975 Pz 68 ERA what if… 976 Pz 87 LEO ERA what if… if wished I can send a Excel sheet... |
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see post above
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obat53 aircrafts
With replacing the Hunters (units 147/148) in 1994 the Swiss Air force hasn't an air-surface aircraft any more. The Replacing Mirage III (149/150/161) and Tiger II (151-153)as well as the F/A-18 (156-158) are or were only in the role as air-air or recon missions air crafts. All three are theoretical capable of Air -Surface Attacks, but the Swiss Air force never bought any Weapons to do so!
In Future when the Tiger will be replaced (~2015) the new Aircraft will be possible equipment with air-surface weapons. So will it be what could be (have the air crafts with possible air to surface missiles) or should it be "realistic"? In that case the Tigers, Mirages and F/A-18 should be removed. The Mirage could then only stay as a air OP aircraft... In case of the game balance (you need air-surface supporting air crafts) remove at least the Maverick and CBU and use only Swiss weapons (that would be quit realistic) |
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Pats,
I have no idea how the Swiss air force works, but don't they have some kind of stocks of basic air-to-ground weaponry that could be brought up in case of extended conflict? Like dumb bombs or rocket pods? I have trouble imagining F-5s serving as interceptors only. In the worst case, even interceptors can strafe ground targets with their guns... |
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That's probebly exactly what they would have to do if they had to strike ground targets. But old rockets and dumb bombs wouldn't do much damage to an Abrams or Leopard tank.
A far mor effective way to destroy tanks "en mass" is a good artillery; and the swiss is not the worst artillery you can have. In fact I would say it's probebly one of the most effective in the world. So what you need bombers for, if you can strike everything that crosses your border with 5-10m precission several times each minute with intelligent ammunition and from the top? All you need to do is protect your artillery with a realy good air defense. And that's exactly what the Swiss Air Force (that includes by the way the air defense systems like the Rapier (Mark Two - where is that in the game any way?) as well) is trained for; intercept and destroy hostile airplanes. |
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"Pats".. are you still checking this forum? Don |
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ah, yes why, did I miss something http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
oh, I just noticed the message, but I couldn't reply http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif I'm still working on the OOB; espacially the weapon names. Some more trucks and other vehicles. And I'm still trying to get the Para troops right - they are mainly para scouts (Fallschirmaufklärer) and heavy para infantry (Grenadier) How can I send you my "details" if I can't replpy the message? |
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Just click on my name ( DRG ) then, when the new screen appears click on " Send a private message " then send me you home email address and we'll get started
If that doesn't work let me know and we'll go to "Plan B" The OOB is very good but there are "problems" we need to deal with Don |
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OK, Try again. I reset that option Don |
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there will be an updadet oob in the 3.5 patch, that's why I don't post any new verions at the moment...
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Thanks a lot Don (and Andy) for the new version.
Good job! Never less, I keep checking, testing and modifying the OOB; so I have already "four differences" made out. My mistake: - Unit 731 - there should be 4 NOT 3 155mm M-50's! Two new Units: - Unit 974; Pz68 with a 120mm Gun (Prototype in the 90') - Unit 978; Mowag SAM with Rapier MkII (build for export but theoretically available. Also with Stinger?) Radio Codes: - Lots of rare units had code 92, means AI chose those. Changed them to 91. Easy available units or standard units I changed to 92, so AI chooses them. Indirect firing Fortifications: - n.a. Fortifications can't fire indirect, only Mortar and Artillery can (right?) - So Units 760-765 (Mortar Bunkers) must fire indirect -> change them to what? Mortars? ******************** new Version... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif |
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Anyone has a idea how to "create" fortification units with indirect fire capability like mortars? If I mix fortification icons with mortar the game produces some strange icons in the game; like a mortar on top of a bunker http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif In the MOBHack isn't an Icon at all... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif 2nd Any Ideas, what could be added next to the swiss oob? |
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"Anyone has a idea how to "create" fortification units with indirect fire capability like mortars?"
What I have done is classing them as SP mortars (with zero speed of course). In its basics it seems to work but I never did more than a couple of tests. |
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On the first point I would agree that you should try a SP indirect fire class with 0 movement. Also, what happens if you give a mortar front, side, and rear armor? I did this in one of my OOBs for a mortar pit, but never tested it out. I get the feeling Andy has said before that this creates issues in game.
On the second point, I was thinking about doing this myself for my aircraft pack at a point, but figure I'll just post it here. This link mentions a so-called "Hunter 80" program that gave Swiss F.58/A Hunters an AGM-65B capability. Might be interesting to put that in. |
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Thanks, works fine... put it online after testing a bit more. 2nd nice link, sounds interesting; I'm working on it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif |
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Some more changes done so far:
[img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Bomb.gif[/img] Unit 884 and 765 getting AP ammo so the Weapon 218 (BIGHORN Mortar) [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif[/img] Unit 941 LPz 2000 (CV90120-T) gets a 120mm L50 gun not L42 Weapon 242 changed for that [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon02.gif[/img] Unit 626 BISON (Art Bunker ON the map) gets new class 130 (SP Howitzer not used other wise yet) at speed 0 I also think Icon 408 fits better [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon02.gif[/img] Units 760-765 (Mortar Bunker ON the map) are now SP Mortar with speed 0 as suggested Formation 093 has to be earlier dated ('46) to be able to purchase them [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Lightning.gif[/img] Unit 034 has a <font color="red"> wrong ROF </font> (0) changed that to 9 [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/PointRight.gif[/img] Formations 320-324 added (realistic tank companies etc. / "PzKp14") Unit 225 only available 'til 67 (Unit 740 starts at 68) [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon02.gif[/img] Unit 740 and 225 get new class 137 (SP Rocket launcher) New Formation to cover that change 330/331 I decided to add for now some new Hunter Aircrafts; for that I needed a heavier bomb; so added Weapon 197 (750lb Bomb) to fit the heavier warload for the Swiss hunter. New Hunter version are Units 831, 832, 834...836 and 838...840 (eight / 8!) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif |
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Some of the newest changes:
New (or better old) Anti Aircraft Units Unit 887 SP AA Quad AMX-13 (20mm) Unit 757 7.5cm AA fort. Unit 758 7.5cm AA Weapon 063 + 064 (Quad 20mm AA + 7.5cm AA) And more.. but to many to list them all ;-) Just download and enjoy... |
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I have a version with completly reworked order of units, weapons and formations.
I supose it's not compatible with the original pick list, but to play with the swiss army against the computer works fine and it's easier to find units especialy in the Enzycopedia. EDIT: I just thought I post a new version of this reorganised obat http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif |
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I've done some of the trucks and utility vehicles.
Units 202 - 222 Unfortunately most of the LBMs are not even very close to the real pictures. But as I'm not able to generate LBMs I had to use what was there... |
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Does anybody might help and could possible convert those pictures (bmp) into LBM - Files?
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There's a plugin for Paint Shop Pro (and I think no other program) to convert to LBMs. If you have them otherwise in the proper format (color, size, etc), someone with that program should be able to help you out.
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And here it is. The package with the "new" pictures... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image.../beerglass.gif
(pm24985.lbm - pm25000.lbm / as close as possible to other "Swiss" pictures) |
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By the by, I have totally forgotten to post these for the last weeks...
Here are some other Swiss .lbm pics I have come up with for the Cold War mod, if you're interested. |
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cooool!
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ok, I quickly put some of PlasmaKrab's pictures in my obat... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/stupid.gif
(lbms are 24966 - 24983) |
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Pats..... is this OOB compatable with the existing game or is the ...."version with completly reworked order of units, weapons and formations." ?? Don |
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No, it's "my" version. I didn't want to change the v3.5 too much without talking about. But I could also change the pictures at"your" version, with pleasure (and anything else you're suggesting).
P.S. I'm playing with both. The reworked when I play the swiss, and the v3.5 when I play against the PC. |
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Here is the original v3.5 with the same pictures I put in the "version with completly reworked order of units, weapons and formations"...
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OK.. does this OOB have the changes you put in 06/20/07 ( before you posted the reworked version )
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no only 'til the one in #517212 - 02/05/07 02:11 PM
and some from #518746 - 06/05/07 09:03 PM The Formations 320-324 and 330/331 are somehow misssing (sorry) also some of the weapons and the hunter80 I added. Unit 887 Unit 757 and Unit 758 are in - but without Weapon (Weapon 063 + 064 (Quad 20mm AA + 7.5cm AA) and the 750lbs bomb) I'll fix that and post that later if you like.. |
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Yes please Don |
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here we go...
still to come, formations for following units: 331 - Fsch Sniper (143 - Para Sniper) 332 - Fsch Sniper (143 - Para Sniper) 334 - Fsch Hvy Sniper (143 - Para Sniper) 356 - Fsch PzF-3 (142 - Para Inf-AT) 357 - Fsch PzF-3 (142 - Para Inf-AT) 358 - Fsch PzF-3 (142 - Para Inf-AT) 360 - Fsch 12.7 HMG (144 - Para MG) 361 - Fsch 12.7 HMG (144 - Para MG) 363 - Fsch MG51 / 57 (149 - para MG Section) 364 - Fsch MG51 / 90 (149 - para MG Section) 366 - Fsch Moerser (173 - Para Mortar Team) 367 - Fsch Moerser (173 - Para Mortar Team) 369 - Fsch PAL BB65 (207 - Para-ATGM Team) 370 - Fsch PAL BB77 (207 - Para-ATGM Team) 371 - Fsch PAL BB77 (207 - Para-ATGM Team) 372 - Fsch PAL BB77 (207 - Para-ATGM Team) 373 - Fsch PAL BB77 (207 - Para-ATGM Team) 374 - Fsch PAL BB77 (207 - Para-ATGM Team) |
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How would work a version with the formation from v3.5 but with reworked weapons and units?
The AI chooses only formations, doesn't it? Or is it picking more complicated? |
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If you move the units and/or weapons it buggers up any scenario or save game using the OOB Don |
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Could you please name one scenario with obat53?
I couldn't find one... :-) |
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Copying this files into the
"WinSPMBT/Game Date/Text" - Folder allows you to read the remarks for some of the units of Obat 053. There will be more... |
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If ANYONE knows of a sceanrio posted anywhere or that anyone has built that has Swiss units let me know. It doesn't just have to be Swiss as either P1 or P2....... it can also be a scenario with units taken from the Swiss OOB as "captured". I'll also take this oportunity to do an informal poll Who ( besides Pat and sometimes me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ) plays as the Swiss either generated games or PBEM ? Don |
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Gentlemen
I have set up a few battles, either as part of UN, or Warsaw Pact, but nothing published, saved, or PBEM Will |
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