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Russian units v4
Hello Don and Andy.
We would like to communicate a little to you and dear visitors of this forum - on a theme of our units in game. We will publish in this theme some our data about units in game. |
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The units.
1. unit 001 PT-76 stabilizer no, shells for gun HE=24 AP=4 SABOT=4 HEAT=8, speed=44 km/h =15 land and 4 water. http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ta/pt76.shtml http://army.lv/?s=249&id=33 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...iabrontanki/8/ 2. unit 002 - PT-76B new gun, The stabilizer in two planes, shells for gun HE=24 AP=4 SABOT=4 HEAT=8, speed=45 km/h = 15 land and 4 water. In 1967 year new machine gun PKT, new radio. http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ta/pt76.shtml http://army.lv/?s=249&id=33 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...iabrontanki/8/ unit 611, 612, 613 - These units need to be cleaned. They take a place. The word "Morskoy" - is translated into English as a word "Sea". But these tanks so are amphibians. In 1990 these tanks did not modernise - them in general have removed from arms. 3. unit 003 - T-34/76 M1943 correct shells: HE=75 AP=21 Sabot=4 Source: book Bronekollekcia, 3.1999, Medium tank T-34, page 22. 4. unit 004 - T-34/85 correct shells: HE=36, AP=14, Sabot=5. This tank had smoke candles. http://mk-armour.narod.ru/1999/04/02.htm book - Bronekollekcia, 4.1999, Medium tank T-34-85, page 9. 5. unit 006 - T-54 weight 32 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, front hull armour=120mm 60 degrees, front turret armour 200mm. http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32 http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?...&Itemid=60 http://armor.kiev.ua/wiki/index.php?...;printable=yes 6. unit 007 - T-54A - speed 50 km/h=17, shells: HE=20, AP=14, weapon 4 = BMG machine gun x1, weight 30 tons. In 1954 25 tanks have been made. http://www.free-time.ru/military/tanks/tanki/t_54.html http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32 7. unit 008 - T-54B - weight 30 tons, speed 50 km/h=17 http://www.free-time.ru/military/tanks/tanki/t_54.html http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32 8. unit 009 T-55 - weight 31 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, weapon 4 = 7.62mm BMG maching gun. http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T55/index.php 9. unit 010 T-55A - weight 31 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, 12.7mm DShK have established on this tank only in 1970., in 1960 on tank T-55 have established a new sight=iam offer change fire control. http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T55/index.php 10. unit 011 T-55A - weight 31 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, available from 1970. change fire control http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T55/index.php 11. units 012, 013, 014, 015, 106 export variants tanks T-55AM. |
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12. units 606 and 607 T-34-85 - T-34-85 It was modernised after war of only 1 times - in 1960 - it has received new radio stations.
13. unit 609 - T-54 weight 32 tons, speed 50 km/h=17. T-54 It was modernised 2 times to T-54A. These are updatings T-54-2 and T-54-3. Updating T-54-2 for game has no value. In 1952 on arms arrives T-54-3 with a new sight, 1 BMG a machine gun, armour hull front = 100mm 60 degrees. http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32 http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?...&Itemid=60 http://armor.kiev.ua/wiki/index.php?...;printable=yes 14. units 777 789, 857 - These are units clones of usual tanks. They take a superfluous place in OOB. These tanks in game are used for marines. These tanks can be used for marines - correctly having created formations. 15. unit 071, 073, 780, 781, 782 export variant. 16. unit 017 T-62 speed=55 km/h=18, weight=37 tons, shells=40 HE=22, Sabot=12, HEAT=6, in 1969 year used 12.7mm DShK AAMG, in 1975 year laser sight, armour fron hull=100mm, hull side=80mm, rear hull=46mm, front turret=242mm, side turret=153mm. http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm 17. unit 610 T-62 - What it for the tank? An error? 18. Why on all tanks T-62 the machine gun - weapon 064 (7.62mm PKT CMG) is used. The machine gun 7.62mm PKT TMG - weapon 063 Should be used. 19. unit 789 T-62D medium tank, Improved armour, CIWS - Drozd http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm 20. unit 021 T-62M improved armour, improved antiHEAT armour, new improved sight, new smoke discharge Tucha 8 units, new stabilizer, new radio, new system manual fire with ATGM, new machine gun NSVT 12.7mm. http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm 21. unit 022, 792 T-62M BDD iam offer remove this tank. I do not know such tank. 22. tank T-62M1 - Same as well as T-62M - only without ATGM. 23. tank T-62M1-2 - Same as well as T-62M - only without ATGM and without improved armour. 24. tank T-62MD - Same as well as T-62M + CIWS Drozd 25. unit 023 T-62MV - Same as well as T-62M + Reactive armour, in 1985 year, weight 38 tons 26. All other tanks T-62 or were export, or never existed. In the beginning of 21 centuries it is possible to make 2 or 3 updatings T-62 with new ATGM rockets. These tanks stand till now on arms in Russia. http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm 27. In the USSR or Russia there is no concept - the support tank or CS tank. At us the tank of support it - BMPT - a fighting vehicle of support of tanks. We assume that in the tank shells not under the army charter, theoretically, could be loaded. All tanks CS - in game for Russian can be made on 1 or 2 kinds for each type of tanks - approximately as it is made in ours OOB. |
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28. unit 024 T-64 speed 65 km/h=22, weight 36 tons, weapon 3 = 12.7mm DShK, ROF=7, available smoke discharges
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-64.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/13/ 29. unit 026 T-64A machine gun NSVT, can use KMT-6, improved armour, new system control fire=change fire control, in 1979 year - new system smoke discharges Tucha 12 units, in 1975 year improved armour korund armour, weight 38.5 tons, in 1980 in side onboard screens from rubber, 37 shells http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-64.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/13/ 30. unit 025 T-64R - Same as well as T-64A with 30mm armour front turret. 31. unit 027 T-64B - Same as well as T-64A or T-64R + ATGM, new system control fire, new stabilizer sight, in 1978 new smoke discharges grenades Tucha-2, new radio, 36 shells. http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-64.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/13/ 31. units 680 T-64B1 - Same as well as T-64B without ATGM, in 1976 32. unit 028 T-64BV - Same as well as T-64B with reactive armor 33. unit 029 T-64BV1 - Same as well as T-64B1 with reactive armor, in 1985 33. all other tanks T-64 series i do not know such. 34. all tanks change weapon 064 on weapon 063 7.62mm PKT TMG. 35. unit 030 T-72 name T-72 Ural, speed 60 km/h=20, system fire control, stabilizer etc.=T-64A change fire control, stabilizer, 39 shells http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html 36. unit 031 T-72A in arms 1979, new liser sight, new night sight, inproved front armour turret, new smoke discharge Tucha-2 12 units, 44 shells, in 1982 new stabilizer. http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html 37. unit 614 T-72AV in service 1985, weight 43 tons, speed 60 km/h=20, with reactive armour http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html 38. tank T-72B not in game, in service 1985, with ATGM, new system fire control, with reactive armour, 44,5 tons, new stabilizer, +20mm steel on front turret, new laser sight, new night sight, 45 shells. http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html 39. unit 036 T-72B(M) name T-72BM, the meteologic ballistic gauge TWO that considerably raise accuracy of fire - change fire control, reactive armour built in. 40. unit 034 T-72B1 - - Same as well as T-72B without ATGM. 41. tank T-72B Rogatka in service 2006, new 125mm gun, new reactive armour Relict built in, antiHEAT lattices side and rear, VIRSS Shtora,, the device of increase of accuracy of shooting, automatic the ballistic calculator, a multichannel sight, TI 3000 meters, the is passive-active device of supervision, 40mm identification of the purpose without illumination, the multilayered combined protection with reflecting sheets, armour turret front 800mm equivalent (HEAT 1200mm), hull 750mm equivalent (HEAT 1000mm) http://www.btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/rogatka.htm 42. unit 033 - tank T-72BV Same as well as T-72B + reactive armour built in. http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html 43. other tanks T-72 series - or never was, or export. It is possible to make some updatings of tanks for new ATGM Rockets |
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44. unit 038 T-80 speed 70km/h=23, in service 1976, without ATGM, the control system of fire is similar T-64B - with new stibilizer and sights, 38 shells
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html 45. unit 039 T-80B in service 1978, with ATGM, improved armour turret front, new sight http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html 46. tank T-80B1 - Same as well as T-80B without ATGM. 47. unit 040 T-80BV - Same as well as T-80B with reactive armour, in 1985. 48. unit 053 T-80U in service 1985, new sight, new laser sight, new stabilizer, combined night/day sight, new smoke discharge Tucha, improved survivability (fire system), new combined armour with reactive armour Kontakt built in, in game right http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html 49. unit 850 T-80UM - Same as well as T-80U + TI + new radio + improved armour, in 2001 year + new stabilizer, new gun, new sight, new system fire control, new sight commander tank. http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html 50. unit 853 T-80UM1 Bars name T-80UM-1 Bars, Same as well as T-80UM + new gun + CIWS and VIRSS. http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html 51. other tanks T-80 series - It is possible to make some updatings of tanks for new ATGM Rockets 52. unit 858 T-90 in service 1992 or 1993 ???, it improved T-72BM ractive armour Kontakt-V built in, new system fire control, new sight stabilized in twoplanes, smoke discharges Tucha 12 units, 43 shells, VIRSS=Shtora, TI, in 2004 year tank T-90A with improved armour turret http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-90.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-90_v_strou.htm |
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53. unit 795 Chiorniy Oriol iam offer remove this tank.
54. unit 065 IS-IIM1944 name IS-2M1944 its tank clone unit 995. I will not remember that in designations of tanks in USSR/Russia were used the Roman figures. 55. unit 479 IS-IIM name IS-2M, speed 12, in service 1954, weight 46 tons http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/ http://armoured.vif2.ru/is-2.htm 56. unit 480 IS-III name IS-3, speed 40 km /h= 13, shells: HE 18, AP 10, weight 46 tons http://armoured.vif2.ru/is-3.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/ 57. unit 993 IS-IIIM name IS-3M, weight 49 tons, I think - from the point of view of game this tank is not interesting. 58. unit 597 IS-IV name IS-4. 59. unit 481 T-10A/B name T-10, weight 50 tons, stabilizer not, 30 shells, weapon 2 90 bullets, in service 1954 http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/ 60. unit 067 T-10A/B name T-10B, weight 50 tons, weapon 2 = 90 bullets, in service 1957, stibilizer 2 http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/ 61. unit 482 T-10M in service 1958, new sights, change range finder = use 14.5mm MG, device smoke discharge available, 30 shells http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/ 62. units 524 and 525 T-10M in service 1967 (sabot shells), For this tank it is possible to use since 1967 a gun 098. In this gun it is necessary to change data: HEAT=450mm, Sabot=320mm with 2000meters. This tank use Sabot shells. http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/ http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartyorbm/6/ 63. units 460 and 461 SU-100 weight 32 tons, without MG, in 1960 new device night view and new radio, speed 17. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/19/ http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%A3-100 http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/su100/su100_2.html http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/57/45/lang,ru/ http://www.weltkrieg.ru/armoured/SU-100/ 64. unit 483, 603, 604 ISU-152 weight 46 tons |
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65. units 454 and 997 Sprut-SD unit class 175 Lt Airborne tank.
66. unit 333 BMP-1 HE shells used only 1973, weight 13 tons, 4 ATMG, used 7.62 PKT TMG weapon 063, speed 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm http://www.rustrana.ru/print.php?nid=3256 http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...p1/a_bmp1m.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/ 67. unit 334 BMP-1B name BMP-1, speed 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water, weight 13 tons, new sight, shells: HE=16 HEAT=24, 4 new ATGM, weapon3=063 http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...p1/a_bmp1p.htm http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm http://www.rustrana.ru/print.php?nid=3256 http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...p1/a_bmp1m.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/ 68. unit 651 BMP-1P - speed 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water, weight 13 tons, fc=10 - from BMP-1 1973. Survivability = 4 new fire system, smoke discharges available smoke=2 (Tucha with 6 units), weapon3=063, use ATGM Konkurs 4, can use ATGM Fagot. http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...p1/a_bmp1p.htm 69. unit 654 BMP-1PG - speed 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water, weight 13 tons, fc=10 - from BMP-1 1973. Survivability = 4 new fire system, smoke discharges available smoke=2 (Tucha with 6 units), weapon3=063, use ATGM 4, with 30mm AGS. http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...1/a_bmp1pg.htm http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm 70. unit 664 BMP-1D - speed 65 km/h=22, weight 14 tons, fc=10 - from BMP-1 1973, improved armour, without ATGM http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...p1/a_bmp1d.htm http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm 71. unit 650 BMP-1M - speed 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water, weight 14 tons, with fighting module Kliver with TI, ATGM Kornet=4, shells 30mm: HE 20 Sabot 10, use smoke discharges. Fighting module Kliver modern made, why the small stabilizer and fire control? Weapon3=063. http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...p1/a_bmp1m.htm http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-1.htm 72. unit 335 BMP-2 - 65 km/h=22 land and 2 water, weight 13 tons, shells (500): HE 34 AP 16, ATGM=4, smoke discharge=2 available Tucha with 6 units, weapon3=063 http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-2.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...mp2_kornet.htm 73. unit 337 and 221 BMP-2D in service 1982 (afgan war), speed 65 km/h=22, improved armour, weight 14.5 tons, without ATGM, can use AGS variant modernization, weapon3=063 http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-2.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...p2/a_bmp2d.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/ |
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74. BMP-2PG 1981 with AGS 30mm.
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...2/a_bmp2pg.htm 75. BMP-2 in 1986 new sights http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-2.htm http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/bmp2_0.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...mp2/a_bmp2.htm 76. unit 340 BMP-3 in service 1987, new system fire control, HE=40 100mm shells, 500 or 750 (variants models) shells for 2A72 30mm gun, ATGM 5 or 8 (variants models), 2 BMG machin guns (offer remove this MGs), x1the coupled machine gun PKT TMG, new stabilizer, speed 70 km/h=23 land and 3 water, weight 18.7 tons, In front BMP-3 the water reflecting guard is established - protection HEAT should be more, new system antifire = improve survivability http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmp-3.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/4/bmp3/bmp3.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...mp3/a_bmp3.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...3/a_bmp3m1.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...p3/a_bmp3d.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...p3/a_bmp3m.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...mp3-shtora.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200.../a_bmp3mod.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/ 77. BMP-3M in 1999, with CIWS-Arena, improved armour sides, new sights, TI http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...p3/a_bmp3m.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200.../a_bmp3mod.htm 78. BMP-3 in 2001, with reactive armour Kaktus http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...p3/a_bmp3d.htm http://www.vpk-news.ru/article.asp?p...les.defence_02 79. BMP-3 in 2003, with VIRSS=Shtora http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...mp3-shtora.htm 80. BMP-3F Differs from BMP-3 only more long time of stay in water = 7 hours. Iam offer remove. http://rusarmy.ru/unit.php?id=77 81. BMP-3M in 2005, new fighting module Bakhcha-U, HE=48 shells 100mm, 4 ATGM, 500 shells 30mm 2A72, 7.62mm PKT TMG, new system control fire http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...3/a_bmp3m1.htm |
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82.unit 475, 694, 695, 698, 699, 701 BMD-1 series speed 61km/h=20 land and water 10km/h=3
http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmd-1.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ssiabronbbm/8/ books: Boevie mashiny desanta, Vooruzhenie sovetskoy tehniki 1945-1995. 83. unit 476, 668 BMD-2 in service 1985, weapon3=063, speed 61 km/h=22 land and 3 water, shells 300 HE=200 and Sabot=100, 3 ATGM Konkurs or Fagot. http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmd-2.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ssiabronbbm/8/ 84. units 477, 478 BMD-3 in service 1990, weight 13 tons, available smoke dischargers Tucha 6 units=2, new sights, new stabilizer, 4 ATGM, shells 500 HE=340 and Sabot=160, 30mm AGS 290 shells, Except the core, in the APC the additional unit of fire from 360 cartridges to a gun (AP, HE, Sabot shots) and two ATGM can take places. Speed 23 land and 3 water. http://armoured.vif2.ru/bmd-3.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/4/bmd3.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ssiabronbbm/8/ 85. unit 703- BMD-4/-3M name BMD-4 Bakhcha-U, in service 2006, weight 13.6 tons, 100mm gun use HE=34 shells, 30mm 2A72 use 500 shells, 4 ATGM Arkan, 7.62 PKT TMG, speed 70km/h=23 land and 3 water, Data on fire control, range finder and stibilizer should be up to standard BMP-3 of last updatings. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%9C%D0%94-4 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ssiabronbbm/8/ 86. unit 516 BTR-D in service 1974, available 4unit Tucha smoke dischargers, from above could be established 7.62 PKT CMG machine guns, in second half 80th years at some BTR-D have appeared 30mm AGS, speed 20 and 3. http://www.rustrana.ru/article.php?nid=3174 http://www.army.lv/?s=251&id=62 http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr-d.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/16/ book: Boevie mashiny desanta, p. 31-34. 87. units 518, 677, 678, 679 BTR-RD name BTR-RD Robot, in service 1979, use 5 ATGM Fagot/Faktoria or 4 Konkurs 88. units 439 and 517 BTR-ZD name BTR-ZD Skrezhet, in service 1984, use Strela-3 = 6 shots or ZU-23-2. |
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89. unit 300 BTR-152 have clone units 657 and 881, in service 1950, carry infs.=17 soldiers+2crew, speed 22.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr152.htm 90. unit 301 BTR-152K in service 1957 or 1959 ????? , have top armour, carry infantry =13+2crew, speed 22. http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr152.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/ 91. units 215, 240, 268 BTR-40 in service 1950, can carry 8 soldiers+2 crew, in 1958 year have armour on top and carry=6 soldiers and have name BTR-40B, speed 80km/h=27 http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr40.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/ 92. unit 400 BTR-40A in service 1951, 1200 bullets = 120/2=60 bullets for game, speed 27. http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr40.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/ 93. unit 329 BTR-50P unit 884 clone unit 329, On arms has been accepted in 1954, but it is made serially since 1952, weight 14 tons, can carry 20 soldiers (Here it is not clear in one source 20 persons it only on water are spoken that, in other is written that it could transport 20 persons), 44 km/h=15 and 3 water, survivability=3, weapon = 1x 7.62mm SGMB CMG http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr50.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/5/btr50/btr50.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/16/ 94. APC (track) BTR-50PA in service 1954, with 14.5mm KPVT AAMG on small turret= fire control=1 and range finder=1 or 2, 500 bullets http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr50.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/5/btr50/btr50.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/16/ 95. unit 330 BTR-50PK unit 331 and 885 clone this unit, in service 1959, with top armour, survivability=4, with night vision device and IR vision change, weight 15 tons, carry 14, weapon 7.62mm MG, can transport and use fire 85mm AT gun, can open fire from AT gun in water, shells ????. http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr50.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/5/btr50/btr50.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/16/ book: Tank PT-76. |
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96. unit 302, 658, 882, BTR-60P - In different sources it is spoken that the batch production has begun in 1960 and 1961, weapon only 1x 7.62 SGMB, can use more MG, but they not base weapon, speed 80km/h=27 and 10km/h=3 water, carry 14 soldiers.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr60.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/ book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.1-37 97. APC (wheel) BTR-60PA in service 1963, modernized BTR-60P with top armour, carry 12 soldiers, weapon only 1x 7.62mm MG. http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr60.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/ book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.1-37 98. unit 303, 659, 883 BTR-60PB in service 1965, speed 27 and 3, weapon 2 = 7.62mm PKT TMG this machine gun is coupled with 14.5mm KPV. http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr60.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/ book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.1-37 99. unit 304 BTR-70 in service 1976 (in arms 1972), weight 11 tons, speed 27 and 3, unit 660 clone this unit, weapon 2 = 063 http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr-70.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/ book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.38-52 100. unit 305, 661 BTR-70A - Is not present such BTR, On BTR-70 the equipment for statement of smokes (6 units=2 smoke) has been established, but it is not known in what year, I think that at planned repairs of these APC, weapon 2 = 063 101. unit 306 BTR-80 in service 1986, speed 30 and 3, smoke dischargers = 6 units = 2 in game, weapon2=063, new radio, unit 662 clone, weight 14 tons http://worldweapon.ru/tank/btr80.php http://www.army.lv/?s=1506&id=393 http://www.niistali.ru/pr_secure/bmp.htm book: BTR-60,70,80,90 part 2. p.1-20 102. unit 307 BTR-80A in service 1994, turret with 30mm 2A72 (300 shells) and 7.62mm PKT TMG coupled, smoke dischargers 6 units=2 smoke in game, weight 14.5 tons, new sights, speed 30 and 3, unit 663 clone, not stibilizer http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/ http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...r/a_btr80a.htm http://www.army.lv/?s=1506&id=393&v=6#info book: BTR-60,70,80,90 part 2. p.21-26 103. unit 308, 309, 207 BTR-90 name BTR-90 Rostok, in service ???????, variants weapons: 1) turret from bmp-2 30mm 2A42 A/C + 7.62mm PKT TMG+4 ATGM Konkurs+30mm AGS GL; 2) turret fighting module Kliver 30mm 2A72 AC+7.62mm PKT TMG+4 ATGM Kornet+30mm AGS GL; 3) turret firghting module Bakhcha-U from BMP-3M and BMD-4 100mm 2A70+30mm 2A72+7.62mm PKT TMG+ATGM Arkan weight 20 tons, improved armour, in 500 meters front armour not penetration 23mm sabot shell = armour more 6, In different sources it is spoken about different speeds BTR-90 - 80-100 km/h ??????????, speed on water 10 km/h, new sights, stabilizer two planes book: BTR-60,70,80,90 part 2. p.31-36 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/ http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...er/a_btr90.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200.../a_btr90_2.htm http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200.../a_btr90_1.htm |
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104. unit 269 BRDM-1 Batch production since 1957, weapon only 7.62 SGM MG, but can use 12.7 DShK and more 7.62mm MG. Iam offer make only one variant with 1x 7.62mm MG
http://armoured.vif2.ru/brdm.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/13/ http://www.russarms.com/land/msv/tech-brdm-2.asp 105. unit 270, 628, 704 BRDM-2 in service 1962 (batch production since 1964 5 vehicle, in 1965 mass production), this vehicle use turret from BTR-60, 70, 80 (with 14.5mm KPV TMG and A/C, 7.62mm PKT TMG) = fire control and range finder need change, speed in water 10km/h=3, in 80th available smoke dischargers as at BTRs series, armour turret as at BTR series. Can be in 80th on vehicle install 30mm AGS GL for more fire power. http://armoured.vif2.ru/brdm-2.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/13/ http://www.russarms.com/land/msv/tech-brdm-2.asp 106. unit 271 BRM-1 name BRM-1K Korshun, unit 697, 700 is clone = need clean, in arms 1972 (in batch production 1973), available smoke dischargers Tucha 6 units=2 in game, with GSR (radar), laser sight, very a lot sights and other devices distinct from BMP-1 = change range finder and fire control, 73mm gun =20 shells, 7,62mm PKT TMG, crew=6 (Crew BRM-1 consists of six persons: the commander, the tipper-of (sit next in a tower), mechanic-driver, the navigator (settle down in a forward part of the case) and two observers (take places in a fodder part of the car).), speed 22 and 2 water, weight 13 tons http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/13/ http://www.army.lv/index.php?s=115&id=63 http://armoured.vif2.ru/brm-1k.htm http://www.smallafv.nn.ru/gallery/Ko...kin_BRM-1.html http://www.desant.com.ua/tsr.html 107. unit 272, 273 BRM-2 - I know nothing about existence of these units in armies of the USSR or the Russian Federation. Probably that further pre-production models has put has not promoted. Also I have found the information on that in one of sources that ostensibly these units were delivered to India. 108. units 274, 275, 276, 277, 349, 350 BRM-3 name BRM-3K Rys (Engslish translation=Lynx), in arms 1995, 30mm = 600 shells, 7.62mm PKT TMG coupled, GSR, TI etc, new sights and devices, speed 23 and 2 water, weight 20 tons http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/13/ http://armoured.vif2.ru/brm-3k.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/4/bmp3/bmp3.htm http://www.nivasposad.ru/school/home...ivinskii/2.htm http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.p...&unit=2294 http://www.rusarmy.com/brone/rzm_brm-3k_ruis.htm http://www.rbs.ru/vttv/99/firms/rubtsmz/r-brm.htm http://gnomus.narod.ru/guns/bmp/brm3k/brm3k.htm http://www.tankpedia.ru/wiki/index.p...%D0%9C-3%D0%9A 109. scout vehicle BRDM-3 on base BTR-80A, in arms begin 90th, 30mm 2A72 = 300 shells, 7.62mm PKT TMG, smoke dischargers Tucha = 6 units http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/13/ http://www.army.lv/?s=1506&id=396 |
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110. unit 213, 332, 551, 655, 800, 801, 870, 871, 390 - clone, 391 clone, 872 clone MT-LB unit class APC, in arms 1970 (in batch production 1966), carry=111, can transport artillery, weight 12 tons, speed 61km/h=20 and 6km/h water=2, turret with 7.62mm PKT TMG, in armies modernized MT-LB installed ZU-23-2, in 2001 Insignificant modernisation, replacement of engines, smoke pomegranates etc.new name MT-LBM turret with 7.62mm PKT TMG or 12.7mm NSVT AAMG (MT-LBVMK), new radio, weight 12-13 tons, name MT-LBM-6MA with BTR-80 turret (14.5mm KPVT AC and 7.62mm PKT TMG)+6 unit smoke dischargers=2, name MT-LBM-6M1A3 with 4 ATGM Kornet 7.62mm PKT TMG and 30mm AGS GL, smoke ???, name MT-LBM-6MB with BTR-80A turret (30mm 2A72 gun (300 shells) + 7.62mm PKT TMG - stabilized)+6 units smoke dischargers=2, name MT-LBM-6M1B2 with turret (30mm 2A42 gun (300 shells)+7.62mm PKT TMG+30mm AGS GL), weapons stabilized, smoke dischargers=2.
In MT-LB installed mortars 82mm (80 or 96 shells) and 120mm, included moratar Vasilek on top. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/16/ http://armoured.vif2.ru/mt-lb.htm http://www.promrealty.ru/mt_lb.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/5/mtlbm/mtlbm.htm file Microsoft Power Point presentation (.PPS) for new MT-LB modernizations: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/4/11_mt-lb.pps -----------------------------------================================================== ==== 111. unit 218 PRP-2 - I have not found data about this unit. Iam offer clean. 112. unit 219 PRP-3 name PRP-3 Val, in arm 1971 (in batch production 1972), weight 14 tons, on basis of chassis BMP-1, 7.62 PKT TMG http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/ http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.p...&unit=2376 113. unit 692 PRP-4 name PRP-4 Nard, in arm 1984, on basis of chassis BMP-2, 7.62 PKT TMG, new GSR, TI http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/ http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.p...&unit=2376 114. unit 696 PRP-4M/MU name PRP-4M Deiteriy, in arms 1988, new GSR, new TI etc, on basis of chassis BMP-2, weapon1=063 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/ http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.p...&unit=2376 115. FO vehicle - PRP-4MU in arms ????, new GSR, new hight device, on basis of chassis BMP-2. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/ 116. units 216, 217 ACRV-2 - I have not found data about this unit. Iam offer clean. 117. unit 629 - SNAR-10 GSR FO name SNAR-10 Leopard, in arms 1971, weight 12 tons, speed 20 and 2 water, on basis of chassis MT-LB, GSR, many other devices, fire control=1,smoke ??? http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-rlsar-snar-10.asp http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/16/ 118. fo vehicle - SNAR-10M modernized GSR Pantera. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/16/ 119. units 773, 774 K61 in arms 1948 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...achineippds/1/ 120. unit 775 PTS-M in arms 1965 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...achineippds/1/ |
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I took one bit of "information" you have provided at random and ran a check
"112. unit 219 PRP-3 name PRP-3 Val, in arm 1971 (in batch production 1972)," Here's the English version of that topgun website http://www.topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/uni...76&lng=eng Note the "Date of Introduction: 1975" Now..... there's a big difference in when a vehicle enters production or is in production and when it finally gets to the troops so what we have to establish here is if the Russian sources you always quote are giving the "accepted in arms" date as the date it actually started being used by troops ( that's the only date I care about ) or the date some bureaucrat in the Russian Ministry of Defence said it's OK to start the process of production. Don |
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Strange. On the same site here is not present words about 1975. Look:
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl? field=8&unit=2376 And here it is written that Has been accepted on arms PRP-3 in 1971 and the batch production has been organised in Rubtsovsk. But this car have developed not in Rubtsovsk, it have developed and have created in Kurganmashzavod (Kurgan Engineering Works) and the batch production has been organised at first there in 1972 and only in 1979 the batch production also has been organised in Rubtsovsk (Rubtsovsk Engineering Works). About it it is written in this source: http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/ Also here still link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BMP_variants |
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121. unit 467 TO-34 speed 18, weight 32 tons
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2-34 122. unit 469 TO-54 in arms 1954, speed 17, data same as well as at T-54, weight 30 tons http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-54.htm 123. unit 468 TO-55 in batch production 1968 (in game 1958), data same as well as at T-55 http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm 124. unit 470 TO-62 - I have not found data about this unit. 125. unit 462, 608, 474 ASU-85 weight 15.5 tons, in arms 1958 (batch production 1959), speed 15, 2 units smoke dischargers, in middle 70th install 12.7mm AAMG, in unit 474 weapon2=7,62 SGMB. http://armoured.vif2.ru/asu-85.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/20/ http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?unit=2371 http://www.army.lv/?s=740&id=347&v=1#info http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ar/asu-85.shtml 126. unit 500 2S1 Gvozdika in arms 1971 (in batch production 1972), weight 15 tons, 40 shells 35 HE and 5 HEAT, ob basis of chassis MT-LB change armour, vision=0, speed 20 and 2 water http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/04/122/ http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/19/ book: Vooruzhenie Sovetskoy tehniki (Arms of the Soviet armoured technics 1945-1995) 127. unit 501, 502, 503 2S3 Akatsiya in arms 1971 (on diffirent sources batch production in 1970 or 1973), 40 shells 36 HE and 4 HEAT, vision=0, speed 60km/h=20, on basis of chassis SAM Krug, ROF=3 or 3.5, weight 27 tons, in 1975 year change shells = 46 (2S3M), iam offer use gun 111 (corrected), I think wiout AP shells, vision=0, in middle 80th in USSR made big work on create cluster shells for guns, in 1987 (2S3M1), new devices, new sights, vision=0, iiam offer use AP shell without HEAT, use gun 111 (corrected) http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/04/152-2/ http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/19/ http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tec...c3-akatsia.asp book: Vooruzhenie Sovetskoy tehniki (Arms of the Soviet armoured technics 1945-1995) http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...o=&fpart=1 128. unit 589 2S4 Tulpan in arms 1971 (in batch production 1974) speed 62km/h=21, shells HE=40 (9650 meters) or 20 projectile HE shells (18000 meters), ROF 1, size 5, crew 5 http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tec...2c4-tulpan.asp http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/16/ 129. unit 812, 813 2S7 Pion and 2S7M Malka quantity shells error??? 130. units 593 and 916 2S9 Nona-S iam offer - unit class SP Howitzer 131. SP Howitzer Sviristelka SPA name 2S9-1 Sviristelka, this is 2S9 Nona-S modernized, not swim ??? and more shells transport, 40 shells, in arms 1984 http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/02/01/ http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tec...ona-s-base.asp 132. units 595, 594, 915, 917 iam offer change class unit SP Howitzer 133. unit 506 and 600 2S19 Msta-S name 2S19 MSTA-S, weight 42 tons, I think survivability 5, smoke dischargers 6 unit=2 in game, vision=0, on basis of chassis T-72 and T-80, armour at as T-72 without combined armour http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/2c1...c19-msta-b.asp http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1580.0 http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/msta/msta.php http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A119 http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ar/2s19.shtml 134. SP Artillery Koalitsiya-SV it future unit, on basis of chassis tank T-72 and T-80, 70 shells, 2 GUNS, ROF 16 for two gun 8 for 1 gun, weight 55 tons http://btvt.narod.ru/3/koalition_sv/koalition_sv.htm |
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I can not tell definitely, but I can assume, that data in the Russian and English version of page not always change or simply forget it to make.
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135. unit 061 - 82mm Mortar iam offer unit class Mortar.
136. unit 560 82mm Mortar Sec iam offer remove this unit. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong and is unnecessary, besides it takes a place in OOB. 137. Mortar 82mm Mortar weapon mortar 2B14 82mm, in arms 1982. Iam offer include this mortar in game. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/ http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4333 138. unit 563 2-120mm Mortars iam offer remove weapon2. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/ 139. unit 566 - 2-120mm Mortars - iam offer remove weapon2. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong. I have not found data about a mortar 2B. In 1955 on arms it was accepted two mortars 120mm, but the most widespread mortar for today 120mm in the Russian army is a mortar 2B11. In arms and batch production 1981. http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...o=&fpart=1 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/ 140. unit 815 - 120 Nona Mortar armies have this weapon only in 2007 (in middle 80th this weapon not in arms). Iam offer change gun from our OOB 120mm 2B18, name unit 120mm Nona SM-1. Exact data about it are not present, except range of shooting. Iam offer increase quantity shells. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/ 141. unit 565 - 160mm Mortar in arms 1949, The modernised divisional mortar of 1943 (with the increased length burrel) http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/ 142. unit 588 2B9 Vasilek iam offer change unit class=201 Mortar (Sub type B) 143. Mortar (Sub Type A) 240mm Mortar in arms 1950, use gun at as Tulpan, can shoot nuclear shells, radio=93 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/ 144. unit 425 - 152mm D-1 FH unit class Howitzer=154, ROF=4 145. unit 424 130mm M46 FG name 130mm M-46 FG, in arms 1954 (in batch production 1951), ROF = on diffirent sources 6 or 8. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/ http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/130/ http://rpg1.ru/view49.html http://mega.km.ru/weaponry/encyclop....picNumber=1573 146. unit 426 - 152mm D20 FG name 152 D-20 Khitin, crew 10, unit class Howitzer=154, used many shells HE, HEAT, cluster, I have counted 18 type shells, in game not present on-map unit with AP shells. http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/152-3/ http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/ 147. Filed Gun 122mm D-74 FG in game not present on-map unit, in arms 1954 (in batch production 1956), have sight for direct shoot, use shell VBR-472 - I could not find data on this shell, therefore I do not know what it HEAT or AP/Sabot. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/ 148. unit 422 - 122mm M30 FH name 122mm M-30 FH, class unit Howitzer=154 149. unit 423 - 122mm D30 FH name 122mm D-30 FH, second name - 122mm D-30 FH Lyagushka, unit class Howitzer=154, in arms 1960, also I offer clone thise unit unit class Airborne Field Howitzer=184 and for this unit increase quantity HEAT shells. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/10/ http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4328 http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/122-%D0...0%B0_%D0%94-30 http://weaponsas.narod.ru/Art_d30.htm 150. unit 427 Giatsint-B in game not present on-map artillery with AP shells (cluster munition). Shooting from a gun is conducted by the shots developed specially for it. We assume that shells have been developed for it together with a gun. I suggest to make this gun with cluster shells in game at least since 1978. http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/152-1/ http://mega.km.ru/weaponry/encyclop....picNumber=1550 http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4329 http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%9036 http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=859.0 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/ 151. Howitzer MSTA-B in game not present on-map variant gun. Iam offer make it. |
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152. units 188, 547, 807 - 203mm 2A44 Guns - This gun was established on 2S7 Pion and 2S7M Malka. I have not found data about that that this gun was towed. I suggest to make since 1983-85 for 2S7M Malka - one more variant of this gun (the weapon number 229 in our OOB) and to make 5 shells or all AP (cluster). Also I suggest to make off-map a variant 2S7M Malka with a considerable quantity of an ammunition.
153. unit 256 - BM-13 Katyusha - weight 12 tons, speed 40km/h=13 154. unit 254 - BM-14-16 - wrong photo, in arms 1952 (in batch production 1952, in 1958 ended), crew 7, size 4, weight 10, radio 91 or 92, survivability ????, speed 60 km/h=20, change icon http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../bm14_16.shtml 155. unit 262 - BM-24 Platoon - in arms 1952, in 1955 increase range 10,6 km, in 1962 more increase range 17.5 km. This car has not received a wide circulation in armies., crew 6, size 5, weight 12 tons, speed 55km/h http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/ http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/bm-24.htm 156. unit 522 - RPU-14 - in arms 1956 (batch production 1957), created for paratroops armies (VDV) http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/ http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...14/rpu14.shtml 157. unit 257 - BM-21 Grad - weight 15 tons, size 5, crew 5, survivability ???, speed (armed) 75km/h, radio 92 (????) http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4339 http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-rszo-grad.asp http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/grad/grad.shtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21 |
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158. SP Rocket Launcher BM-21V Grad-V weapon from Grad 122mm rockets, in arms 1967 (for paratroops VDV), on basis of chasis GAZ-66, 12 shells (6x6), crew 5, size 4, speed (armed) 85 km/h=28
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...v/grad_v.shtml 159. unit 266 - BM-21 CM Pl size 5, in game not present on-map variant this is unit, iam not found date in arms. 160. unit 258, 261 - 9P140 Uragan wrong name, correct BM-27 Uragan. Name 9P140 name for chasis this weapon. In arms and batch production 1975, weight 20,2 tons, speed 65km/h=22 http://www.splav.org/ru/arms/uragan/pu.asp http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/ http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...ga/uraga.shtml 161. unit 265 TOS-1 variants 24 burrels (TOS-1A) and 30 burrels (TOS-1), speed 60km/h=20, on basis of chasis T-72 tank, weight on diffirent sources 42-46 tons, survivability=4 ????, in arms begin 1995 (batch production and used in afgan war in 80th), old rockets range 3500 meters, new rockets range 6000 meters, radio=92 http://btvt.narod.ru/3/tos1.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/ http://armoured.vif2.ru/tos-1.htm http://www.army.lv/?s=741&id=197 162. unit 259 - BM-30 Smerch Pl crew 32 for platoon, in arms and batch production 1987, armour ??????. iam offer include more one variant BM-30 Smerch with cluster munition and used weapon from our OOB weapon number 102 (unit in our OOB 536 and 537) http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-rszo-smerch.asp http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/ http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...h/smerch.shtml |
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163. unit 380 - BRDM-1 Snapper name 2K16 Shmel, on basis of chasis 2P27 BRDM-1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/ 164. unit 381 - BRDM-1 Swatter name 2K8 Falanga, on basis of chasisi BRDM-1 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/ 165. unit 382 - BRDM-1 Sagger name 9K14 Malyutka, on basis of chasisi BRDM-1, 6 burrels ROF=6 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/ http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1598.0 166. unit 383 - BRDM-2 ATGM name 9K11M Malyutka-M, 6 burrels ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/ 167. unit 384 - BRDM-2 ATGM name 9K11P Malyutka-P, 6 burrels ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/ 168. unit 385 - BRDM-2 ATGM name 9K8 Fleyta, 6 burrels ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/ 169. unit 630 BRDM-2 ATGM - name ?????? can be 9K111 Fagot, 5 burrels ROF=5 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/ 170. unit 631 BRDM-2 ATGM name ??????, wrong weapon1, used Faktoria ATGM, ROF=5 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/ 171. unit 632 BRDM-2 ATGM name ?????, ROF=5 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/ http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1396.0 172. unit 386 and 387 BRDM-2 ATGM name ?????, ROF=5 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/ http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1396.0 173. unit 378 UAZ-69 Snapper name GAZ-69 ATGM 174. unit 389 - Krizantema-S correct name Khrizantema-S, in arms 2002 or 2003, on basis of chasis BMP-3, survivability=5 ????, GSR with mm-cells (Millimetric lattice) vision=60 ???, speed 23 and 3 water, weight 13 tons, ultra-sonic missiles used. It is written that such 3 ATGMs can to reflect successfully an attack of 14 tanks of the opponent, having destroyed thus not less than 60 % of these tanks. Iam not found information on ATGM Khrizantema for infantry team, found only on basis of chasis BMP-3. Iam offer change class unit=19 - SP ATGM http://btvt.narod.ru/4/xrizantema.htm http://www.army-guide.com/rus/product1650.html http://www.kbm.ru/ru/product/ptrk/hrizantema-c http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/ ================================================== ===================================== Probably names BRDM ATGM and BRDM-2 ATGM to leave as is, but only without the NATO designation? |
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175. unit 388 - BMP-3 Kornet ATGM quantity = 16, on basis of chasis BMP-3, weapon2= 120 bullets, survivability=5 ????, speed 23 and 2 water, available until=120. Also have variant on basis of chasis BTR-80 with 12 ATGM, change class unit = 19 SP ATGM
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...t/cornet.shtml http://gunsite.narod.ru/kornet_e.htm http://www.rusarmy.com/strelo/ptrk_kornet-e_var.htm http://btvt.narod.ru/4/kornet.htm 176. unit 407 - 9P149 Shturm name Shturm-S, name 9P149 it name chasis, ROF=4, 12 ATGM Kokon 9M114, weight 12 tons, speed 20 and 2 water, crew 2, carry 0, change class unit = 19 SP ATGM http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../shturms.shtml http://btvt.narod.ru/4/Shturm.htm http://www.kbm.ru/ru/product/ptrk/shturm-ataka http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-ptur-shturms.asp 177. unit 408 - 9P149 Ataka name Shturm-SM, in arms 1985, it modernized variant unit Shturm-S with ATGM Ataka 9M120, 12 ATGM, ROF=4, crew 2, weight 12 tons, speed 20 and 2 water, carry 0, change class unit = 19 Sp ATGM. Iam offer in 90th years make variant Sturm-SM with TI sight (I have not found exact date when have established such sight. But such sights are.) also I offer make variant unit Shturm-SM with ATGM 9M120M Ataka-M, can be - begin 2000th http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../shturms.shtml http://btvt.narod.ru/4/Shturm.htm http://www.kbm.ru/ru/product/ptrk/shturm-ataka http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-ptur-shturms.asp 178. unit 642 Tiger Kvartet - There are no exact data about presence of this car in army. But there are characteristics of a launcher for ATGM Kornet. I think that in army they are. I, for example, did not know that in army there are these cars with a machine gun 7.62mm PKT CMG and 30mm AGS GL - these cars were on the red area in Moscow on victory parade. To you to decide - to clean it from game or not to touch. Factory: http://www.kbptula.ru/rus/atgw/kvartet.htm English: http://www.kbptula.ru/eng/atgw/kvartet.htm http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...iaa2targets/7/ 179. unit 643 - Vest ATGM wrong photo, this unit on basis of chasis UAZ-3151 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...iaa2targets/7/ |
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180. unit 290 - SA-2 Guideline correct name S-75 Dvina, In game almost all is correct, only why parametre EW is established = 2?
http://pvo.guns.ru/s75/s75_data.htm http://mvizru84.my1.ru/index/0-10 181. Area SAM - S-75 Volkhov we offer include in game this is unit from our OOB, modernized S-75 Dvina, in arms 1962, FC=105, EW=4, its weapon used in Vietnam war. http://pvo.guns.ru/s75/s75_data.htm http://mvizru84.my1.ru/index/0-10 182. unit 291 - SA-3 Goa correct name S-125 Neva, we offer change EW=4 for weapon next generation in this type. The set of modern decisions for this weapon is used. http://pvo.guns.ru/s125/s125.htm http://www.raspletin.ru/production/old/s125.php 183. Area SAM S-125 Neva, modernized variant, in arms 1970, EW=5, ROF=4, FC=105 http://pvo.guns.ru/s125/s125.htm http://www.raspletin.ru/production/old/s125.php 184. unit 292 - SA-4 Ganef correct name Krug A, on basis of modernized chasis SU-100P, speed 16, FC=105, survivability=2 ?????? In 1971 unit modernized name Krug M EW=5. http://pvo.guns.ru/krug/krug09.htm http://pvo.guns.ru/krug/krug.htm http://pvo.guns.ru/krug/krug04.htm http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/krug/krug.shtml 185. unit 283 - SA-6 Gainful correct name Kub, in arms 1967, FC=105, survivability=3 ?????, speed=16, in 1973 modernized variant name Kub M1, FC=110 http://pvo.guns.ru/kub/kub6.htm http://pvo.guns.ru/kub/kub.htm http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/kub/kub.shtml 186. unit 289 - SA-11 Gadfly correct name Buk, speed 18, survivability=3 ?????, ROF=4, EW=6, in 1983 make modernization variant name Buk M1, EW=7 http://pvo.guns.ru/buk/buk_4.htm http://www.ump.mv.ru/buk_ttx.htm http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/buk/buk.shtml http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...m1/bukm1.shtml http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../bukm1_2.shtml 187. unit 280, 284 - SA-8a Gecko correct name Osa, in arms 1972, EW=5, vision=0, ROF=4, in 1976 modernized name Osa-AK, new weapon from our OOB, EW=6, vision=0,weapon shells=6, ROF=6, FC=105, in 1978 modernized new variant Osa-AKM, FC=110, vision=0 http://pvo.guns.ru/osa/osa.htm http://pvo.guns.ru/osa/osa10.htm http://pvo.guns.ru/osa/osa06.htm http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/osa/osa.shtml http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...k/osa_ak.shtml http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../osa_akm.shtml 188. unit 281 - SA-9 Gaskin correct name Strela-1, speed 32 and 2 water, quantity missiles 4 http://pvo.guns.ru/strela1/strela1_05.htm#3 189. unit 285 - SA-9b Gaskin correct name Strela-1M, in arms 1970, quantity missiles 4, speed 32 and 2 water, vision=20, EW=2 http://pvo.guns.ru/strela1/strela1_05.htm#3 http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../strela1.shtml 190. unit 282 - SA-13 Gopher correct name Strela-10SV, in arms 1976, speed 20 and 2 water, ROF=4, radio=90, we offer FC=3, survivability=4 on basis of chasis MT-LB http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_04.htm http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...rela10sv.shtml http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10.htm 191. unit 286 - SA-13b Gopher correct name Strela-10M, in arms 1979, speed 20 and 2 water, radio=90, fc=3, survivability=4, ROF=4 http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_04.htm http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...rela10sv.shtml http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10.htm 192. unit 287 - SA-13c Gopher correct name Strela-10M3, in arms 1989, vision=30, EW=4, speed 20 and 2 water, FC=3, survivability=4, ROF=4 http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_04.htm http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...rela10sv.shtml http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10.htm 193. SP SAM Gyurza not found date take in arms this unit, approximately beginning 2001, EW=4, radio=91 or 92, ROF=4, FC=15 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/17/ http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...za/gurza.shtml http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_03.htm#2 194. unit 288 - SA-15 Gauntlet correct name Tor, speed 22, vision=0, survivability=4 ?????, in 1991 modernized variant name Tor-M1, new weapon, FC=115, ew=9 http://www.kupol.ru/ru/AntiaircraftM...Systems/Tor-M1 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/17/ http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/tor/tor.shtml http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/torm/torm.shtml 192. Area SAM - Tor-M1TB towed, speed 0 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/17/ 193. unit 293 S-300PT - towed, change weight for towed, wrong photo |
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194. unit 922 - ZSU-23-4M2 FC=10 (my mistake), change weapon, smoke dischargers= ????. We offer clean units 820, 821 not found data for this unit.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/14/ http://pvo.guns.ru/shilka/shilka.htm 195. unit 401 - ZSU-57-2 quantity shells=300 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/14/ http://pzaku.net/homepage/16/ http://pvo.guns.ru/book/uvz/index.htm 196. unit 419, 420 - 57mm AA-Gun name S-60 AA-Gun, in arms 1950, towed, weight 4 tons, crew 8, size=2. Iam not found data for modernized variant 1966, can be EW modernized or not. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tyzenitnaya/5/ http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/s-60.htm http://pvo.guns.ru/s60/index.htm http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/57-%D0%...%98%D0%A1-2%29 http://pzaku.net/homepage/25/ 197. unit 870 - MT-LB w/ZU-23 weight 12 tons, iam offer 1980 and change unit class SP Flak=22, weapon2=7.62mm PKT TMG, on basis of chasis MT-LB, speed 20 and 2 water 198. unit 873 - Truck w/ZU-23 carry=132 ?????, iam offer change unit class SP Flak=22 199. unit 405 - 2S6 Tunguska in arms and batch production 1982, stabilizer 4 (new stibilizer), 8 missiles, weapon 2=clean, EW=8 http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...tunguska.shtml http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm 200. unit 406 - 2S6M Tunguska name 2S6 Tunguska M, vision=30, EW=8, stabilizer=4, weapon2=clean http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...tunguska.shtml http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm 201. unit 823 - 2S6M1 Tunguska name 2S6 Tunguska M1, in arms 2003-2004, EW=9, stabilizer=4 ?????, FC=120, RF=22 http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...tunguska.shtml http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/18/ http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%9A...BA%D0%B0%C2%BB http://www.vko.ru/DesktopModules/Art...ersion=Staging http://www.kbptula.ru/rus/zencom/tungr.htm 202. unit 414 - Pantzyr-1 name S1 Pantsyr or Pantsyr-S1, weight 20 tons, crew 3, stabilizer not bad Tunguska=4 or 5, FC=125, vision=40, speed 28, change missiles weapon from our OOB, divide misiles on slots weapons 2,3 and 4, EW=9, Under the statement of the assistant to the commander-in-chief of the Air Forces colonel general Anatoly Nogovitsyna, first samples SPSAM «Pantsyr-S1» will arrive in the Russian Air Forces in 2008. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/18/ http://www.missiles.ru/Pansir.htm http://www.russarms.com/land/vpvo/tech-pzrk-c-1-pan.asp http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%...%D1%8C-%D0%A11 http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm |
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194. We offer clean units 820, 821 not found data for this unit.
195. unit 401 - ZSU-57-2 quantity shells=300 I have no intention of entering into a dialogue with you over each and every one of these points but these two caught my eye. 194... Have we not gone over this before ? Those two units are DESIGNED to provide ground support fire NOT act as SPAA's and that is why they are set up in the unit class they are with the weapon they have. Also, I have NO IDEA if the phrase "We offer clean units " is coming from your own translation of Russian to English or this is what the automatic translator spits out but after reading it two dozen times I have to think it's the later. The correct phrase would be "remove unit" not "clean unit" and in any case I have no intention of doing so. Those units weapon should probably be WC5 rather than WC19 but I think it was put in 19 to allow it some AA capability as WC19 will opfire on helos to be fair but it's primary purpose is to engage ground targets. Every time you "find" this you complain about it and it's getting tiresome. 195. quantity shells=300 Great. AA guns fire "bursts" so the number of shells issued to a unit like that is the number of bursts of fire it's capable of Don |
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194. OK. But at a unit 820 fire control should be 10 (without a radar), and at a unit 821 fire control should be 15 (without a radar). In game also the gun of class Autocannon cannot shoot on planes. ZSU-23 without a radar turns actually in ZSU-57-2 also without a radar. At ZSU-23 increases ammo at the expense of an empty seat from a radar, but other aim devices do not removed. These two units should be SP Flak with radio=93. They will operate effectively on the land purposes and to shoot on air targets. unit 821 - TI available - not found data.
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We with the great pleasure would would like to enter with you meaningful dialogue on any unit or the weapon in this theme of a forum. We want that you have correctly understood us - we wish to help you with improvement of this excellent game. On the weapon, units and formations at us it is a lot of data and all these data we plan will share with you. To us it is not difficult. We all it do voluntary and certainly free of charge - because we love this game and we want that it became even better. If you have paid attention, we not only improve our armies, but also we underestimate their characteristics if characteristics of units or the weapon were more low in a reality. We hope for meaningful dialogue with you. Yours faithfully. p.s. sorry for my bad English. I sometimes write the text itself, and sometimes by means of the machine translator. |
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203. unit 416 and 417 - ZPU-2 AAMG and ZPU-4 AAMG in arms 1949
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...relogneoru/38/ 204. unit 410 - SA-7 SAM name Strela-2 SAM, in arms 1968, in 1970 modernized name Strela-2M SAM, EW=2 http://pvo.guns.ru/pzrk/strela_05.htm#2 http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/14/ 205. unit 411 - Strela 3 Team name Strela-3 SAM 206. units 770 and 771 - SA-18S SAM name Igla-S SAM, in arms 2002, we offer EW=4 for this type weapons. http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/14/ 207. units 409, 410, 411, 412, 413, 770 and 771 - Why such small radio? 208. unit 409 SA-16 SAM name Igla-1 SAM 209. unit 412 - SA-18 SAM name Igla SAM 210. unit 413 - SA-18V SAM name Igla-N SAM 211. SAM Dzhigit - It is intended for placing, prompting on the purpose and single or a volley of start-up of two rockets of type "Igla" to one crew, can work at any time, use external preliminary instructions of the purpose, identify the purposes as "-another's". The oporno-launcher "Dzhigit" has no analogues on ability to conduct a volley start-up of anti-aircraft missiles SAM. At a volley start-up increase of probability of defeat of the purpose on the average in 1,5 times is provided. Calculation 1 person. Date not found. http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...c/igla_c.shtml http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/14/ http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%...D0%A0%D0%9A%29 http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vsk/pzrk_dp_dzhigit.html http://gunsrus.narod.ru/djigit.htm 212. unit 328 - RPG-6 Team we offer remove this unit. Anti-tank pomegranates are not an occasion to allocate from structure squad fighting team - 2 soldiers. In army of the USSR or Russia in separate RPG teams were allocated only heavy and reusable RPG is - RPG-2, RPG-7, RPG-16D, RPG-7V, RPG-29. Such command usually had 5 shells RPG. Lungs RPG - RPG-18, RPG-22, RPG-26, RPG-27, RPG-28 - are disposable and individual means of struggle of soldiers against tanks. For one squad it was allocated, depending on a task in view, from 50 % to 100 % of lungs RPG for each soldier i.e. squad from 10 persons - could receive or 5 RPG-22 or 10 RPG-22 - all depended on a solved problem it squad. 213. units 766 and 767 RPG-18 and RPG-22 we offer remove this units. 214. RPG-2, RPG-7, RPG-7V teams 5 shells. Why such small radio? |
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212. RPG-6 team represents (if I got it correctly) a tank hunter group as those used frequently in WW2. OOB in SP doesn't include only proper OOB units but also attempts, if feasible, to present some "wartime only" creations.
213. As above. 214. Radio? In theory RPG teams and indeed most of infantry nits should have radio value 0, who in his right mind would bother with carrying RPG/RPG shells AND a radio? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif |
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I agree with you that regular army the subdivision usually does not adhere to organizational structure and operates on current conditions. But to allocate from squad team for struggle against tanks it is impossible since such grenades basically were almost at all soldiers in squad. Therefore I also speak about organizational structure of troops in game. There we can allocate team RPG Only then when it allows both arms squad and number squad.
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Yes perhaps, but when it come to sneaking up on an enemy tank do you really think the whole squad (at size 1, ie not very stealthy) would do so or just two guys with a couple of AT rounds at size 0 (much harder to spot) while the rest stays back? Sometimes just a few men go out there and the game has to reflect that too, hence these teams.
While the game does build around the real orders of battles, those OB's are not the endpoint for the game. They're the start; often minor tweaks are necessary to make the game playable. You should not forget that there are two 'realities' that exist next to each other in the game, getting the OB's as real as possible and getting the gameplay as real as possible. Sometimes these two are in conflict and then minor tweaks can and will be implemented into the OB's. The russian/soviet OB is by no means the only one. |
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-------------- Ok. We will assume that we allocate team from squad. Then we in squad still have 6 persons? It is wrong - we should take organizational regular structure of armies for a basis, differently in game it is possible to make a lot of nonexistent formations and units. I do not speak that 2 persons with grenades could not exist, but allocating team from squad we can allocate also easier two fighters with rifles AK-47 or other weapon, that too will be wrong. Probably you also are right about RPG-6, but there are sets of the weapon in game with which also it is possible to allocate in separate team, but for this purpose to us precisely will not suffice slots in OOB. |
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Narwan, the third "reality" you forgot to mention is that tearing an OOB apart in the way Maxim thinks we should totally destroys any scenario that was built with that OOB. In V4 I tried to balance what I felt should be done with the Russian OOB with what realistically could be done without causing massive disruption to not only the existing scenarios in the game but any that players may have made and posted to the various scenario depots on the 'net. I recall at some point in the past an offer was made to have these "fixed" by well meaning third parties but I can assure you most of the "errors" people are finding in the game were made by "well meaning third parties " We provide the tools for people to create their own OOBs and Shrapnel provides the means to distribute it and we have always considered that a perfect compromise. If players don't like ours...... they can use someone else's. However, Maxim has turn this into an obsessive crusade and nothing short of doing everything his way appears to be acceptable as the example of the ZSU-23 used as CS tanks for convoy support attest. I will take this list and any other error anyone thinks they have found into consideration when and if I find the time to sit down and devote another 1000+ man hours to a patch as I did the last one but I reserve the right to make my own decisions about which "errors" need to be corrected. Don |
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Dear Don.
We appreciate your work and your patience. We also appreciate this tool - Mobhack with which help we can create the OOB. We also understand that it is your game and you are certainly free to make independent decisions. I wish to clear once again a situation - there is no "crusade" on you or your game. We wish to help. For this purpose I publish here these data. And we are ready to conduct any discussion with dear lodgers of this forum to reach trues. Yours faithfully. p.s. sorry for my bad English |
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One thing I would like to point out is in many cases you use a "TMG" when a "CMG" would be more appropriate. In most cases there is no difference in a TMG or CMG version of a MG and the only difference is the name but TMG's are in most cases slot one weapons. CMG's are used in slot 2 and 3 and BMG's are used in slot 4. It's a bit odd to be using something named TMG in slot 3 though it would do the same job as a CMG
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And TMG it is a tank (or BTR main gun etc) machine gun (not AAMG).
For example, in a case with T-10 and SU-100 - machine gun use 14.5mm CMG - is unjustified. Is not present units which would use this machine gun more. We understand that you wish to specify in the machine gun name in what slot it to use, but what for to create clone other weapon, if at us and so almost is not present free slots For the weapon. p.s. soory for my bad English |
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This has nothing to do with the 14.5mm CMG. It's mainly the mix up's between weapons 63 and 64
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That said there has been some re-organization and there are more free weapons slots now but I noticed that the SPR OOB was using TGM where CMG was more appropriate and both weapons where available and I though that perhaps there was some confusion as to there usage Don |
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We have assumed that CMG - is a machine gun on pintle (or pivot or coupling bolt).
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A 7.62mm PKT CMG is used because a 7.62mm PKT Co-axial MachineGun is what was mounted on the vehicle. There is usually no difference in a TMG and CMG version of a weapon but TMG ( Turret Machine Gun ) NORMALLY is only used when it's the primary ( slot one ) armament of a vehicle and the CMG ( co-axial ) version of the gun is used when a co-axial machine gun is mounted on the vehicle and normally is used in slots 2 or 3. BMG's ( Bow Machineguns ) are normally used in slot 4 and have restricted range due to their low(er) mounting in the hull of the vehicle and BMG's in slot 4 only fire the direction the hull front faces whereas TMG's and CMG's in slots 1, 2 and 3 fire in the direction the main armament is pointing That naming convention goes back to the beginnings of Steel Panthers and both TMG's and CMG's could be simply named "MG" but that can get confusing when building units as these are not meant used by the infantry as infantry machineguns are named "MG". The bottom line is all those units you have mounting the PKT TMG in slots 2 and 3 are technically in error. It's not a serious problem and game play is not affected but in the offical game OOB all those will be CMG Don |
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It's also in a number of OOB's as MT-LBu If looks like we really only need 1 version of this but I'll keep digging Don |
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Hello Don.
Link to source factory the manufacturer: http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/06/01/ 1V13, 1V14, 1V15, 1V16 = SNAR-10 or SNAR-10M name ACRV - we offer remove from OOB Best regards |
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OK, just so I'm clear ( and this isn't very clear at all )
"ACRV" = "MT-LBu " = "SNAR-10" Three names for the same vehicle ? That link you posted says nothing at all about "SNAR" and anything I can find does not show that the MT-LBu / ACRV and the SNAR are the same thing at all. The MT-LBu / ACRV is a SP arty FO vehicle and the SNAR is a battlefield surveillance radar system. The NATO code names for the two vehicles are entirely different and the sources I've dug up support the idea that these vehicles have two different purposes. I've already changed the name from ACRV to MT-LBu Don |
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MT-LBu = the chassis name
To name so all these units will be wrong. For FO units I suggest to use original names of the Russian army. p.s. though names 1V13 etc... also I will be correct. |
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You have the right to name the weapon and units - as it will want to you. Same your game.
Nevertheless in the name of the weapon of a grenade or a pistol, you do not write the exact name of this weapon (for example Glock-17 or grenade F-1) |
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