Newbie Vicious Circle
 

I left a message on the original thread but thought perhaps folks might see this first or easier.

Since Black Sun is having problems with his computer and is not sure when he can return and we have a fair amount of intrest I was thinking that if no one else wants to get the game going I can try.

In spite of my rank I really am not that familiar in MP with Admin and starting the game although I have some friends who i am sure can help me.

We have a pretty good group and quite a bit of interest and if we get more we can accommodate up to 17 with the DarkHeavens map, or we can stay with Cradles of Dominion if we get less.

The only real changes I would want to make is the 100 multiplier as I think it will REALLY unbalance some nations to an unfair advantage.

I think we all agree that we don't want anyone losing a battle and deciding to just disappear or go AI, so think long and hard about joining if you have any doubts.

You can PM me or post on here or the original thread.

Black Sun...you are more than welcome if you can get up and running before we would send in pretenders and I expect that will be a couple of days.

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I'm still interested. I would volunteer to admin but I have small children. You don't want your admin really sleep deprived.

If I can make it through this game I may try my hand admining.

So what is the procedure for picking nations? BSE didn't really lay it out all that clearly. I would propose something like take all the names of folks who expressed interest in the original thread, randomize them into an order, publish the order, and then each person has 24h to say what nation they want. At the end of this process we will have definite committments from some portion of the large number of prospective players, and you can choose a map based on the number of players.

Edit: I agree with dropping the multiplier to default settings. In general default settings are probably best for a newbie game.

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I pmed you. I'm still interested. It would be kind of cool to have RANDOM nation assignments, since we're all noobs here :up:

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Ooh, I like random nation assignment. Has the advantage of not requiring a long waiting period during which everyone chooses their nation.

Presumably you get to know your nation before designing your pretender.

OTOH, I have to admit I have no clue how to play more than about 4 nations. It will be the utter chaos of noobiness!

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But that's why it's great isn't it. It will probably be a nation you're not familiar with, and so people aren't just going to do the "same old same old nation" of their preference. Maybe they will find a new favorite!

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I played (errrr Tried to play one rand game) but it broke up pretty fast.

The reason I 'think' (from the posts as it was a Noob game also) is that not being familiar with a lot of nations they made mistakes while some of the luckier players got the nation they knew and ran over the others, and as they got in deep trouble they quickly bagged it.

It was a nightmare for the game as folks where just Disappearing or going AI. So I am sort of biased agianst Random choice on nations

The best way I have seen is to let first come first choose and if there is a real problem then have a third party roll the dice for them.

I usually put down 2 nations when I join so that If one is taken i can get the other without having to much fuss.

I also think we need at least 1 water nation.

I am open to suggestions this is just my opinion.

BTW...I just checked on how to admin and after setting up the game its a breeze so I should be (hopefully) able to do it.

Lets have some discussion as this isn't MY game its OURS and I want folks to be comfortable...I DO think we keep it as simple as possible for the first timers so they also have an enjoyable exp.

I lasted 19 turns in my fist game and counted it as a victory (LOL) and even won a battle, but it wasn't a noob game (my mistake). Let me know also how many players we want...

I have a doctors appt now so i will check this in about 4 hours.

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Already posted to the original mail, I'm in.

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How about diplomacy? No diplomacy / limited diplomacy ala Dakasha's Acronymless would let us just concentrate on fighting, for the most part anyway.

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I would be interested in joining if there is room. I've very limited MP experience and am tired of being steamrolled by vets who know every single bit of minutia about their chosen nations. Random nations would be fine with me as well.

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I don't think it is a good thing to put a RAND type game for noob. so that they can enjoy their game it would be better to allow them to choose the nation they were familiar with during their SP experience.

I would like to join the game myself (2 mp games so far) if this is not a RAND game.

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Everyone that is pretty new is welcome....We will be taking names for the next couple of days to see if Black Sun can recover his PC and join.

Diplomacy...I think we vote (as I said its OUR game not mine), I like diplomacy as it allows you to actually form a plan and use it.

NOW, we can have a diplomacy game that you are not bound to keep your word (and NO carryover to any other games), thats popular.

I personally always keep my word but that's just me as I wanted that reputation from the very start, but if someone stabs me in the back I don't carry it over into the next game.

If there is NO diplomacy in a noob game then we might as well be playing LA as magic plays a much smaller part and we will lose players quickly as wars get fought pretty easy and players disappear. Remember you start about 2 to 3 provinces away so its easy to be in a war in 4 turns.

I 'think' we would want to try and be able to play the whole game and that includes magic so I vote for binding diplomacy.

Just an opinion.

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Someone just ask about the 'Hoarding Mod'...

I'm not sure in a Noob game its necesary as I would think we want to learn how to 'Clam' ect AND it may be the only real strongpoint of that nation so we have more people wanting it.

In a VET game it iS important as I guess they all do it if they can.

Do we want to get started right away with what we have or wait 2 days?

Please chime in with your opinions:up:

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If it is binding it should all be done in the form of PMs. I think the idea of no lying is great, and instead people will have to be clever with their wording!

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Yes usually you negotiate by PM but register it in the Forum...

Say Sauro and Lanka form a 3 turn Nap or 5 turn or 100 turn though 3 turn is standard).

That way when you want to break it you just go to the forum and say" Sauro gives notice on turn 23 that the Nap with lanks is broken. Hostilities will begin on turn 26 (if you DON"T cout the turn you break it oR turn 25 if you DO count the turn you break it.

That way there is no doubt in anyones mind and no arguments that someone jumped the gun...

Now thats in a BINDING diplomacy game.

In a non binding you can do it any way you want (but I promise you ther ewill be pages of yelling aback and forth (LOL), which is what you asked for!!

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I think we could accept de settings of Black Sun Empire, her original idea, with this we doesn't complicate the game and if before we were agreed, now also we can be, with this we would can avoid a cooling of the interest for this match.

We should organize a effective voting.

If some options like map are not good already because we are more players so we can change it. And Grudge you could begin to write the list of players, this can hel to a good organization. Count with me.

Settings:

Server: Llamaserver ................................. Era: EA ............................... Mods: CBM 1.5 + hording-prevention mod
Magic Research: Standard ............................ Special Site Frequency: 50 ............ Indie strength: 5
Score Graphs: On ................................... HOF Entries: 15 .............................. Random Event Frequency: Common
Money, Resource, Supply Multiple: 100...Starting Provinces: 1........................Renaming: On


Game Administrators: Grudge Bringer + ¿?.

Hosting interval: Quickhost. First 10 @ 24 hours, 8 hours added every 10 turns thereafter with the maximum to be decided by consensus.

Victory conditions: 60+% VP

Treaties:

Delays: Liberal. Automatically granted provided I receive a PM in time and you post on the thread as well to let everyone know, and there are no major objections.

Qualifications: Noob starting players should be "fresh and green" with limited MP and SP experience (5 or less MP game participation). New to MP? Check out the Llamaserver FAQ

Map: Cradle of Dominion

Nation Selection: Upon reaching at least the minimum recruitment level (6), nation selection will proceed via in a random order (Not first in best dressed).

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I'm not in this game, but my two bits would be to HAVE the no hoarding mod. even in a noob game, of which i have played a couple, the last few players clam to the max, and it sucks a lot. better to error on the safe side IMO.

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Of this thing of the mod i can't say anithing becaue i don't know anything about them.

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Here is what I propose (Changable of course) we have to start somewhere. IF we get a concensus we can get it going.

Mods 1.5 Magic standard Graphs ON HOF 15

Indie strength 5 Random Event Common Renaming ON

Starting Province 1 Map..Cradle of Dominions (not the MP its HUGE) if a small number, DarkHeavens if a lrger number of players.

DO NOT PUT A PASSWORD ON YOUR PRETENDER So we can set to AI if need be.

Hosting... 24 Hour Quickhost until we feel the need to raise it to 48 (usually between 25 and 35 turns).Victory can be Last man standing or a percentage of Capitols, depending on the number of players.

6 to 10 Last Man standing Over 10 percentage of Capitols.

Diplomacy Binding (vote on this).

Feel free to PM me with questions or opinions.

Nations...NOT YET Submit 2 nations when the time comes to join and we will try and work it out so everyone gets a chance at there nation (I suggest you DON'T pick 2 nations that you KNOW everyone will choose. We will also need at least 1 brave soul to play a water nation if possible.

Let me know ASAP if this suits everyone or we need to change something..:up:

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Yeah Frozen Llama, that I guess can happen but I would rather have a chance at some clams too rather than just the fist guy to Const 8 get them and roll over evryone.

If they are there for everyone, then its thier choice to get them.

Just my opinion...

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I'm agreed. Put the list of players please.

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I would vote for a no binding diplomacy :D

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I will set up the game in just a couple of hours when a few more check in and we will get it going as fast as possible.

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Count me in.

As this is a newbie game, I think we should keep every option available - we should be able to learn how to horde, how to use Arcane Nexus, etc. So, I vote against the "no hoarding mod"

Diplomacy should be no binding - if you want to show everybody how much you honor your agreements, then feel free to post your alliances on the forum. However, I believe it should be like real life - sometimes you want everybody to know who your allies are... sometimes you don't. :)

I also belive we should play with the default settings - I may be wrong, but I think most games are played with just small variations of the default settings (CB mod being the exception); so, it's better to learn how to play well with the default settings, before play with such a drastic change as the 100 multiplier. Keep it default.

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well, someone getting a single clam isn't too amazing. remember const 8 means you get only 1 of them.

but its your guy's game, so go for it lol. ;)

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ahhhhhhhh, LOL...

Guess they would only get one:doh:

seems like most want to try and get there hands on everything they can and being a Noob game I think learning about them good and bad is a good thing.

Thanks for the info though...:up:

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Two things - 1) money, resource, supply multiple at 100 is the default setting for the game, so I am not sure why you guys are talking as though that is abnormally large. Anything above or below 100 would be abnormal. 2) I don't care one way or another since I'm not playing, but in the next version of CBM QM is likely to make all gem generating items artifacts, which would be the same as the no hoarding mod. You can play with clams if you want, but I thought it might be good to know that at some point they will become non-standard.

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I'm gonna put in my 2 cents here and second Lama's suggestion about the hording items. They add nearly nothing of worth to the game and have considerable drawbacks. Contrary to Mule's comment about "learning to horde" there really isn't any complexity, skill, or difficult choices involved in hording, especially for clams.

Additionally, while I don't speak for the vets as a group, I have heard a lot of people mention that they never intend to join another game where the horde items are non-unique, so if this game is meant as a training exercise for new players I think they might be better served learning how the game goes without the horde items, since it's the wave of the future. =)

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