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DRG March 23rd, 2022 02:37 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
I have confirmed from the same source that ......


The fighting compartment and engine compartment of the tank is protected by heavy side skirts incorporating "Relikt" ERA elements. The skirts were originally developed and implemented on the T-90MS
and they look like this


and that matches what is shown in that video


The slat armour is missing but the blocks are identical so the reactive armour values in the stays as is ( the code that makes them work...... or not ........*may* undergo some revision)

Wdll March 23rd, 2022 04:11 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 851945)
AH HA!!!


The video below shows a T-72B in Grozny retreating with some of its external sponson fuel cells alight. As you can see, the tank is not disabled by the fire and is perfectly capable of moving under its own power to a safe location where the crew can put out the fire with the fire extinguishers carried inside the tank.

Thats why that one was burning in that video in Ukraine the external fuel cells were ruptured

Are you sure? To me it looked like the tank was cooking.
Having said that, we might be talking about a different video.:D

Aeraaa March 24th, 2022 07:44 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
Since a picture is worth 1000 words and a video probably a million:


DRG March 24th, 2022 08:11 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
That's the same one Karigan posted yesterday in the 2022 updates? thread and it is an excellent commentary on why conclusions should not be drawn in haste based on biased information and that's why we generally have not..... yet. There have been a number of additions to the Ukraine OOB and we have adjusted the EXP and MOR value lists and we are going to take another look at Manpad vs Air/ Helos to see if *maybe* we went too far the last time we made adjustments to the code for that. Beyond that.... wait and see

DRG March 24th, 2022 08:24 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
One of the key points is made between 3:02 - 3:37

If you send unsupported tanks into areas infested with enemy infantry what is happening is what you should expect to happen

Aeraaa March 24th, 2022 08:28 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
Yeah, you're right, Karagin posted it yesterday. :doh:

My bad, apologies for that. Although I want to say it's the video that best sums up all my thought so far in this conflict (and conflict in the digital era in general) and that's why I was so eager to post it.

DRG March 24th, 2022 08:32 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
In this case that video posted in multiple places is a good thing. Everyone should watch that and consider carefully want he says before suggesting " changes"

"You don't know what you don't know.

The "problem" is right now we have multiple threads on this forum dealing with issues related to the current conflict and how they impact RL (and the game ) and it is difficult to remember where they all are

Another Key point is made 12:10 - 12:30....... active protection systems are not universally fitted... This is important to "the game" because in 2022 ALL Russian "MBT" tanks have active or passive systems in the game because the information we had was that they did but there ARE "CS" versions that don't and anyone setting up a battle or a scenario need to consider using those versions as well

I think I have a new end of game shutdown message

"Defending is all well and good, but victory comes from the offence otherwise all you are doing is giving the other side time to fix what they are doing wrong"

Nicholas Moran (The Chieftain)

Wdll March 24th, 2022 10:33 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
Slightly relevant.
I am in a generated campaign (Greece vs Russia 2022) and the first 2 (or 3?) battles it was a cakewalk. I mean even though the AI had a bonus in points to purchase stuff, it was really easy for me. Which is a RARE thing against powerful armies such as Russia.
In the current (3rd or 4th) battle while it was again easy to capture all the flags and clear our most of the map, I found some enemy troops "hiding" in the southern part where there was nothing really important. Cocky as I was I sent my vehicles (Leo2, BMP1, M113) to quickly mop up any enemy forces. In about 5 turns I think I lost more tanks and helos than I lost in all the previous battles combined. Didn't use infantry first, didn't prepare with artillery fire, didn't..didn't..didn't. One stupid mistake after another. One cocky mistake after another. I have to say, I almost enjoyed having my *** handed to me like that.

blazejos March 24th, 2022 12:11 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
Also I d'like to rapport a come back of Tachanka in Ukrainian war we discuss this this in some post of SPWWII as a horse cart with HMG something like war chariot which predates technical vehicles used by cavalry during civil war in Russia on early XX century and then widespread in cavalry units in eastern Europe and central Asia. But now we can see here new incarnation of this famous vehicle on some sort of wagon mounted by motorcycle with canonical Maxim 10/30 from museum (storage ?)


here famous Tachanka song from Soviet revolutionary times
so after a little more than a 100 years all goes back to roots :D

DRG March 24th, 2022 12:36 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war


...the Taliban were better fighters than the Russians.......

and that could very well be because a lot of Russian troops may not really want to be there and the Ukrainians really want them to not be there as well

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