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FASTBOAT TOUGH April 2nd, 2022 02:48 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
White Arm Bands - Russian troops as identified early on.

This might explain the other Russian colors.
https://www.forces.net/russia/ribbon...embrance-poppy

Blue or Yellow
worn separately or together Ukrainian troops.

Both - Are wearing their country flag patches on their sleeves.

Seen some pointing out in videos and photos where Russian troops are wearing black boots and Ukrainian wearing brown- or dessert-colored ones.

Also found this interesting...
https://www.migjimenez.com/img/cms/P...Colors_ENG.pdf

Also, a bunch of stories about this on the web...I little "psyops"...
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ssian-soldiers


Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Imp April 2nd, 2022 07:18 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 852053)
Thinking that if they were falling short of expectations we would have heard about it by now

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...-say-rcna20878


Quote:

“The Javelins are the most sophisticated and most effective weapon the Ukrainians have, but not the most numerous,” Cancian said.

The Ukrainians have more Israeli-made NLOS “Spike” antitank missiles in their arsenal as well as German Panzerfaust 3 antitank weapons, Cancian said.

THAT is significant from my POV for three reasons
  • This is the first news I have read they have any Spikes
  • This is the first news I have read that the Ukrainians have NLOS Spikes.
  • I have been testing various NLOS weapons with my drone experiments and the two coupled together is highly effective

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=5649222743ca


Quote:

The powerful Javelin anti-tank missiles that Ukraine has been getting from the United States tend to dominate the headlines.

That makes sense. The Javelins aren’t just highly effective weapons—they’re also symbols of U.S. support for Ukraine as a huge Russian army masses on the Russia-Ukraine border.

But the Ukrainian army has only a handful of Javelin launchers—47 from the United States plus an unspecified number that Estonia has pledged—and a few hundred of the 35-pound, 2.5-mile-range, infrared-guided missiles.

The huge majority of Ukraine’s anti-tank missile arsenal is locally made. And the local Stugna-P is proving to be just about as dangerous as the world-class Javelin. And cheaper.
We do have the Skif in the OOB and I just changed it to make it more selectable to the AI but ( I just discovered ) the Stugna-P was developed from the Skif so that's on the list to investigate ( that may be the Skif 2M-K ATGM W237 ),but I need to investigate further if the Ukrainians do indeed have NLOS Spikes

THIS says they do not


https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/l...s-no-to-spike/
Quote:

Israel has decided not to authorise European users of Rafael Spike to donate the advanced ATGMs to Ukraine, so as avoid disrupting its fragile relationship with Russia that allows attacks on Iran-related targets in Syria.

Lots of contradictory stuff out there I read while Israel has been asked several times for Spike they have not supplied any.

Wdll April 2nd, 2022 09:45 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Imp (Post 852092)
Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 852053)
Thinking that if they were falling short of expectations we would have heard about it by now

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...-say-rcna20878


Quote:

“The Javelins are the most sophisticated and most effective weapon the Ukrainians have, but not the most numerous,” Cancian said.

The Ukrainians have more Israeli-made NLOS “Spike” antitank missiles in their arsenal as well as German Panzerfaust 3 antitank weapons, Cancian said.

THAT is significant from my POV for three reasons
  • This is the first news I have read they have any Spikes
  • This is the first news I have read that the Ukrainians have NLOS Spikes.
  • I have been testing various NLOS weapons with my drone experiments and the two coupled together is highly effective

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=5649222743ca




We do have the Skif in the OOB and I just changed it to make it more selectable to the AI but ( I just discovered ) the Stugna-P was developed from the Skif so that's on the list to investigate ( that may be the Skif 2M-K ATGM W237 ),but I need to investigate further if the Ukrainians do indeed have NLOS Spikes

THIS says they do not


https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/l...s-no-to-spike/
Quote:

Israel has decided not to authorise European users of Rafael Spike to donate the advanced ATGMs to Ukraine, so as avoid disrupting its fragile relationship with Russia that allows attacks on Iran-related targets in Syria.

Lots of contradictory stuff out there I read while Israel has been asked several times for Spike they have not supplied any.


As long as Israel needs Russia's lenience to keep letting them hit targets in Syria, you won't see much direct support. Well...all things considered.

Wdll April 2nd, 2022 09:47 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
Good footage from what looks like a Mi-28N getting cut in half from something. According to the video it's a Starstreak missile, though obviously I don't know about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXnjQmoV2D8

FASTBOAT TOUGH April 2nd, 2022 12:24 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
As I had already posted, the timing should be right for the Ukraine to start operating them. UK had already shipped them out.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ce-2022-03-16/
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html
(This is the one I posted. earlier.)
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/brit...er-in-ukraine/


Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Wdll April 2nd, 2022 06:16 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
And this is why distance is important.
I don't think I have seen any more clear footage of an attack on a tank, but at the same time a silly mistake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3T8FfOvBBI

FASTBOAT TOUGH April 3rd, 2022 12:58 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
I had already earlier yesterday morning confirmed the use of the STARSTREAK anti-air missile attack on a Russian Mil Mi-28 Havoc (This is my opinion based on the video.) attack helicopter. The following should bring closure to this issue.

What is different, for whatever reason, is the response from Russia concerning the STARSTREAK. Obviously, it would seem they are much more concerned about STARSTREAK then our STINGER 2 anti-air missile.

The UK STARSTREAK did get updated within the last 3-4 years if memory serves.

Might have to run a comparison between the two systems. I further would point out not to underestimate what or what not they're getting. For instance, the JAVALIN and STINGER 2 missile systems came out of our European pre-deployed storage facilities meant for our troops. How else did they get them so fast at the start of the war?

Unlike the UK, they didn't threaten us over our STINGER 2.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...e14c131909c239


I have other tasking at the moment.

Don if you see this, know I'm looking onto the Czech T-72 tanks. Along with NATO we've signaled that we'll assist in getting them into the Ukraine.

Also looks like the Ukraine is also from some pictures I've seen, are operating captured Russian T-72B3 tanks. This still needs further investigation on my part. I'm NOT ready to "jump off the bridge" for this yet.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...out&li=BBnbfcL


Regards,
Pat
:capt:

DRG April 3rd, 2022 05:12 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
It's impossible to keep up with every breaking development in Ukraine. We just try to keep up as best we can

Karagin April 3rd, 2022 07:31 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
Seems Germany is giving BMP-1s to Ukraine from OLD East Germany stocks...I wonder how bad a shape these things will be in?

DRG April 3rd, 2022 07:53 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
This may be of interest

Ukrainian Conflict - Tank Recognition

A guide on how to tell apart different tanks that are taking part in the Ukrainian Conflict. Both Russian and Ukrainian tanks are a part of this guide. From T-64BV, T-72B to T-72B3M and T-80BVM, all tanks that have taken part in the conflict so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2doYYblaLFU


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