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DRG April 5th, 2022 09:12 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
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Originally Posted by Imp (Post 852126)
As a side note the Ukraine air force seems to be surviving by using the roads & nape of the earth. Laughed when I saw the fighter that returned with a road sign attached, they are flying low.


https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2VX2PI

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Social media users have shared a collage showing photos of a Ukrainian jet they say flew so low it crashed into a road sign. While the incident traces back to August 2020, some online have shared it in the context of the Russian invasion in 2022.

DRG April 5th, 2022 10:26 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
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Originally Posted by Imp (Post 852126)
Some Observations
I think quite a lot of the Russian tanks are not fully equipped as in none functional ERA & pre Arena active defence systems are not very good.
Does it need to be looking in the direction the shot is coming from to work?.

For the systems to work they need to be installed and if installed.... turned on. There are no reports ( we are seeing ) that indicated any attacking missiles were defeated by anti-missle systems and that could be for anyone of three reasons
  • They just are not installed as extensively as assumed
  • They just don't work
  • They weren't activated

Any one of those or all three. Shora ( VRRS ) (it would appear) needs to pick up the targetting laser for the missle. If it doesn't have one and it would appear it's not being fired towards the direction the turret sensors are pointed it's not going to deploy

ARENA (it would appear)............"uses a multi-function Doppler radar, which can be turned on and off by the tank commander. In conjunction with radar input, a digital computer scans an arc around the tank for threat"

So it has to be turned on and it "scans an arc around the tank" an "arc" does not suggest 360 degrees

The bottom line here is there is much we don't know because those that do know aren't revealing the strengths and weaknesses of the systems

What we do appear to "know" that in the past month if it's on and working it doesn't seem to be doing anything . Certainly the growing piles of burnt out scrap steel would suggest this but again....... it's not a "fair judgement" of a systems performance if they are not installed as SEEMS to be the case

The final bottom line is we can only simulate these systems in a limited way. The game does not differentiate between targeting systems and in the case of Shora many "modern" targeting systems do not use laser and the sytem ( that we know about ) seems to rely on that

There have been adjustments made to both the availability of these systems based on what APPEARS to be the case in 2022 and their effectiveness in detecting and defeating ATGM but it won't be perfect because it can never be perfect

DRG April 5th, 2022 01:50 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
I wonder how that deal is panning out.......
https://militaryleak.com/2020/06/28/...n-battle-tank/

Wdll April 5th, 2022 02:07 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
Not entirely sure what happened with this battle, but...wow?
https://twitter.com/Arslon_Xudosi/st...CURK9OqfBF1vsg

Aeraaa April 5th, 2022 02:31 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
^Well, it's heavily edited, but at I see at least 2 BTRs totalled and prob a T72 damaged. The Ukrainian tank basically ambushed the Russian convoy from close range.

I'm sure I did have an encounter just like that in one of the scenarios/quickbattles in MBT.

DRG April 5th, 2022 05:23 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
The drone footage from this war has been particularly informative. The "ID tags" was a nice touch

DRG April 5th, 2022 07:21 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
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Originally Posted by DRG (Post 852079)
Ukrainian forces are using yellow and blue.




Just a follow up on this it may not be true in all cases but it appears from recent photos I have seen that the Ukrainian Regulars tend towards blue and the Territorial units tend towards yellow but it is not always 100% clear who's reg and who's militia though the regs seem better outfitted and I have seen blue and yellow together on the same armband

MarkSheppard April 5th, 2022 08:28 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
Seen the Stugna-P ATGM kill of a stationary hovering KA-52 yet?

Note how they put the cursor near the Ka-52, but keep it off the helo until about 3 seconds before impact, to avoid setting off laser warning sensors on the helicopter?

DRG April 5th, 2022 09:10 PM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard (Post 852141)
Seen the Stugna-P ATGM kill of a stationary hovering KA-52 yet?

Note how they put the cursor near the Ka-52, but keep it off the helo until about 3 seconds before impact, to avoid setting off laser warning sensors on the helicopter?



Post #110 above

Yes. I wondered about that when I saw the video. That system has a manual and a fire-and-forget mode. Fire-and-forget provides automatic control of the missile flight using a targeting laser beam that does not require manual tracking of the target.

I may be wrong but in that case, it looked like they may have been using manual mode

Wdll April 6th, 2022 01:39 AM

Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
 
Scary how easy it is to fool the system. Good scary in this case, but still.


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