winSPMBT - Brigade Combat Teams
 

2012/02/25
After consideration from fellow wargamers posting in this thread, I'm posting the Combined Arms Batalion (CAB) Tank Team. I've added a few formations to the OOB12 file in slots above 900. Check out the chart and let me know what you think. Notably, a Javelin team is attached to a Mech Inf and Cavalry Platoon. Additionally, I've created an Attack/Recon Helo Platoon composed of an AH-64 and an OH-58 helo. I believe Artillery will remain at Brigade, therefore, I did not include arty units.


2012/01/28
I'm not satisfied with the current US OOB as it seems to harken back to the ACR days. I would like to build tank and mech inf teams similar to what we find today as a result of the Army's creation of brigade combat teams.

For example, the Army has placed calvary units in Bradlys tasked with recon, screen, and security missions. The ACR is no more and we find armor units are once again pure tank companies. However, if I want to create a combined arms tank team, I have to purchase my units ad hoc as there are no organic tank or mech inf teams in the US OOB.

A tank team may have a section of SP arty, but we can not purchase a SP arty section from the US OOB. I need a lt attack helo and an Apache but I can not purchase a single Kiowa from the current US OOB. These are just a few hurdles I have to address when designing a scenario using the Army's BCT combined arms force.

As I understand winSPMBT, we can create formations for inclusion in the US OOB or simply create a modified OOB. However, does that mean, a designer has to port the modified OOB when publishing the scenario?

Re: winSPMBT - Brigade Combat Teams
 

If THE ONLY thing you modify in the OOB is the formations then no, users will not require a modified OOB to play the scenario.
But, if you make ANY changes to units or weapons then they will.

That help?

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Thanks. Your comment is very useful as I'm trying to build a HBCT formation. Question, the Lt Attack Helo is a section in the US OOB, can I create a formation of a single Kiowa without having to port the OOB with the scenario?

Re: winSPMBT - Brigade Combat Teams
 

Again, as long as the ONLY thing you create is a formation, no.

You can also buy a pair of 2 x helo formations then attach the x1 unit from the first formation to the second. Creating 1 x helo (x0) and a 3 x helo (y0, y1, y2) formations. Then delete the second formation.

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If you do build additional formations build them above 900 they post the OOB here and if I can use them I will incorporate them into the game OOB.

Just follow the existing formula. Don't be "creative" and add ambulances or ammo trucks to a Coy and don't build something you cannot already create by buying existing formations but if it passes all that then I'm interested

Don

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You WILL when the next patch is released....


These are easy changes that fit in with the existing structure so what else do you need? We can provide the building blocks once we know what's required and then players can build the formations they need. Just don't build something with Tanks, Helos and SP arty all combined together
Don

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Thanks DRG for the encouragement. I will continue to look into the requirements for Heavy Brigade Combat Teams as I notice there is a Stryker Brigade Combat Team in the OOB so I'll leave that one alone.

As for building blocks I am putting those requirements together while looking at what is in the existing OOB. The current TO&E seems a very good match just needs a little tweaking here and there as Shuiir suggests in the case of the Lt Attach Helo. Essentially, I'd look for platoon of 4 tanks, a separate tank HQ formation of a tank and a BFV, a platoon of mech inf in BFVs of seven man squads, a separate mech inf HQ formation, a platoon of Cav scouts riding in Bradleys of six vehicle squads of four man squads (3 or 4 man squads), a sp arty section, a single Kiowa in either a soout or lt attack package, single spaa (the linebacker will have to do) formation, a single ammo truck (to attach as a combat train to each platoon of tanks or to support mech inf units,) a single BFV that could serve as HQ command vehicle or as taxi for atgm teams, etc.

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On the helcopter issue you can buy a formation (any) then assign the 2nd helicopter to that formation on the deploy screen. Now go back into the buy screen & "sell" that formation & your left with one helo.

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Units that only exist as part of a higher formation we build as Nation 0 so they only show up in the higher formations and that's the way "a separate tank HQ formation of a tank and a BFV" should be built .....as Nation 0 then added to the larger formation.

Don

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I built it as a company of Nation 12 but ran into several problems. For clarity, I'd list the Tank HQ formation as Nation 0 as a company, platoon, section or combat group. Now, if my higher formation is a Company, then the Tank HQ must be either a section or a platoon, right? And if so, then how would I assign the two or three tank platoons to a Tank HQ that is configured as a section or platoon? Thanks.

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The first entry into any formation has to be a UNIT ( NEVER a formation ) so if the first unit is part of a HQ formation then you have to build the HQ formation in the Coy as individual units THEN add the formations. Formations always start line 2 or higher.

If you had a 2 tank section that would be entered as two units on line 1 and 2 and then you can add platoons


Don

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Don, Excellent post! Yes I think I'm off on the right track thanks to your last post. Here's is what I'm building for the CAB Mech Inf Team:

HQ/M2A3
---Mech Inf Pl x3
------Mech Rifle Sec x4
------Tow Team x2
------M2A3 x4
---Mech Inf Support Sect x1
------Stinger Team x3
------M2A3 x1
------Ammo Truck x 3
------M1129 x1
------M1128 x2

42 units / 135 men

The default Headquarters (A0) will ride in a BFV.

Re: winSPMBT - Brigade Combat Teams
 

YOU can add ammo trucks to a formation for your personal OOB but that's not the way it would be done in the game OOB's


Don

Re: winSPMBT - Brigade Combat Teams
 

Thanks Don, as it is suggested that support elements belong at the HHC, so I'll pull the Mech Inf Support from the OOB. I can cross-attach ammo trucks, BSVs, M6 Linebackers, SPMs and MGSs to the A0.

Re: winSPMBT - Brigade Combat Teams
 

Fellow Wargamers,

Proposed CAB Tank Team

After many contributions from fellow wargamers, I am beginning to narrow my focus to constructing BCT formations around the CAB. Here please note that we're using a 3x2 CAB Tank Team of an HBCT within winSPMBT context with the following C&C: A0-> Helos, UAV, Ammo, SP-A : B0 -> CAV, MechInf, Tanks, and Mortars as a way to demonstrate an Army organic fighting team within winSPMBT.

Note: In this proposal, an Infantry SAM team joins a Mechanized Infantry Squad, providing organic AA capability to the platoon. In our winSPMBT context, a new section of M1129s is also created. Additionally, a modification to the 00B12 creating an Attack/Recon Helo formation is required. Please note, this schema builds upon the existing blocks within winSPMBT so that we may create various combinations of an organic sustainable CAB tank or mech inf team. Such that, purchasing 3 mech inf platoons and one tank platoon creates a CAB Mech Inf team, or as represented in the link below, purchasing 3 tank platoon and 2 mech inf platoons creates a tank team, etc.

The core units are controlled by the Coy, while supporting units are under the control of the default A0 in our game.

We need your input. To date, we have relied on several publications published on the Net out of Ft. Lavenforth, KS for reference with current Army thinking and doctrine. I am of the opinion that the UAV should replace the Lt Attack Recon helo for example. Some Army designers are thinking of a three-tank platoon, although the current four-tank platoon continues.

One of the vexing issues in the Army is training units to fight as a team as opposed to cross-attaching units, where commanders may not know one another to the degree thought sufficient, is a thorny issue that the proposed Combined Arms Battalion is designed to answer. It is promoted as a way to ensure that the Army continues to dominate over any adversary.


Click here to see the chart 3x2 CAB Tank Team

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I would stay with the helo, the new OH-58 KIOWA WARRIOR F is still on track to be fielded with the USA within the next two to three months, whereas, the GLOBAL HAWK successor is being cut from the current budget.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/22901/
Will still save this ref. was going to submit it with some other helo issues for the next patch but we all see how busy Don and Andy have been. My article on the UAV is now not available as the Defence News website has again decided to change their format for the second time in the last six months.

I like where your heading though for what it's worth.

Regards,
Pat

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This source has a lot of the support illustrated, if you are in an evil mood and want to drop airborne on a resupply convoy or support battalion.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57407087/F...eams-May2010-1

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A useful resource. I've downloaded the pdf. Again, many thanks.

There are a number of items I would like to add, such as missles to the Abrams although many,if not most, think the M1 doesn't need 'em, I added Stinger to Mech Inf for organic AA support along with Javelin and MMG teams.

The following formations are suggested:

Mech Inf Platoon
Mech Rifle Section x 2
Tow Team x 1
Stiger Team x 1
Mech Inf Squad x 1
M2 x 4

Cavalry Platoon
Cavalry Scouts x 3
Stinger Team x 1
M3 x 6

Attack Recon Platoon
AH-64 x 1
OH-58D X 1

I'll fight with these guys.