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blazejos November 24th, 2020 08:05 PM

Re: MBT's
 
Poland has first Leopards 2PL from may 2020 in military units mdernisation is for 2A4 but also 2A5. Also has starting upgrades for older T-72 to new T-72M1R variant

Tekst pochodzi z Magazynu Militarnego MILMAG.
Przeczytaj więcej na: https://translate.googleusercontent....8syBKZgQcVmA9w
Here article

https://translate.google.com/transla...news_id%3D4450

FASTBOAT TOUGH November 26th, 2020 03:46 AM

Re: MBT's
 
Don,
Please hold off on the Polish LEOPARDS. Yes they got a handful in the beginning of the the Summer (29 May 2020/2 MBT's). They just received some more to outfit in total, I believe a Companies worth. Still looking at implications to the FCS. Will see a TI/GSR increase to 45 I'm thinking at present. Trying to tie up a couple of "loose ends" with these tanks.

Might as well "dump" my folder on the topic now I suppose. These don't include what I've already posted in this thread concerning development etc. Oldest to Newest...
https://www.defence24.com/polish-ger...support-system
(German support March 11, 2019)
(You gotta get up earlier in the morning, to get the worm!?! ;))

https://www.defence24.com/breakthrou...pard-2pl-tanks
https://www.armyrecognition.com/may_...tle_tanks.html
https://www.milmag.eu/news/view?news_id=4526

(Got 2 more on the way.)

https://www.armyrecognition.com/mspo...4_version.html
(Could have 12 by years end.)

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...lish_army.html
(Hope to have 7 more from Polish industry by the end of the year. Awaiting delivery of 6 from Germany "as soon as possible".) (Total now at 11 MBT's)

Looking hard at above ref. picture apparently taken at the factory. I'm specifically looking at the Turret Top/Sides& Frontal armor as these saw improvement.

If they get at least 4 more tanks from either source as noted from the last ref. this year, I recommend START JAN 2021 if not, START APRIL 2021.

We won't see it, but since France and Germany won't let Poland in on their new tank, then maybe Italy and SPAIN will...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...c1_ariete.html
https://www.defence24.com/will-polan...ns-are-the-key


CINCLANTHOME will kick my xxx for this! (OK! it's more like staying up until early in the morning, then what I said above. :p

Anyway off to bed, going to get "fat" on THANKSGIVING Day Dinner at lunch before work. Hopefully the tryptophan won't make me sleepy on post, they don't like kind've thing where I work!?! :D

For those that do, have a Happy Thanksgiving Day! :D

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

FASTBOAT TOUGH November 28th, 2020 01:36 PM

Re: MBT's
 
The following is already on my work list. We entered it for Nicaragua about 4 years back I believe. Need to verify Uruguay and Laos (Though we might have got that one.) against OOB.

Also need to make no improvements have been made, if not, we can just copy over from Nicaragua. ;)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...tle_tanks.html

Have more refs in my folder no time now! Above "hot" off the press.

Gotta get ready for work!!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Karagin November 28th, 2020 04:43 PM

Re: MBT's
 
https://www.army-technology.com/feat...s-engineering/

So how would we mimic these?

Karagin November 28th, 2020 04:45 PM

Re: MBT's
 
https://www.army-technology.com/news...artillery-gun/

Air-droppable....now that is a new twist.

FASTBOAT TOUGH November 29th, 2020 02:50 AM

Re: MBT's
 
Those systems are very much in the early phases of development. I believe there was a discussion a few years back also concerning the use of lasers, which is a little further along in development.

I believe the "outcome" of that discussion might be the same for "Bot-Tanks" etc., that we don't see them.

I can only imagine the programing/software potential issues that would have to be overcome, but the more pressing issue is time, we're running out of it and we have have guarantee that Andy and Don will want to see this to the end.

The last submissions and "possible" patch would be due by February 2026 at latest to get any new equipment in that entered service in 2025. And there'll be other OOB issues as well.

And just as important is the in some cases, extreme lack of slots available in some of the OOB's. We came up with a solution a few months ago to free up some slots in the USA OOB by moving the
"Gunships" into the GREEN OOB.

From what I'm reading on the subject whether it's air, land or sea based combat antonymous or "piloted" remotely equipment, they won't reach practical application until the late 2020's to mid 2030's.

By that time we'll be reminiscing about the "good ole days" sipping our favorite beverages and God willing, enjoying our retirement.

Which in small part for me means, actually being able to enjoy playing the game without worrying about "One World One OOB (OWOO)", allocation of my personal time (And you can read into that what you want.), working for a living to get to retirement, investing for it etc. etc. and most importantly giving back to CINCLANTHOME who puts up with me especially this time of year in doing "my projects".

And then there's always "C and C" and "Red Alert" for that stuff.

Lasers and Robots as weapons don't really do much for me anyway, besides that's nothing new, I saw that in STARS WARS back in 1977. It's "old news" now!?! :p



Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Karagin November 29th, 2020 11:26 AM

Re: MBT's
 
Maybe in the US OOB cut back the National Guard units....

DRG November 29th, 2020 12:09 PM

Re: MBT's
 
Removing any unit, especially ones that have been there since the early days is a PITA and in the case of the gunships will require (IIRC) a couple dozen scenarios to be reworked and none of that is a non trivial " oh-we-can-farm-that-out-to- interested-players" type of thing so *IF* it gets done *I* get to do it and it will need to be a day I'm really motivated to do so and those are scarcer than they used to be.

Not to mention writing up an explanation in the game guide only half the players( if we're lucky )will have read so that means explaining on the forums again and again why someone cannot find them when they remember using them in the past.

Open up Scenhack, click on the SQL tab and enter this

select distinct ScenNum, uclass, sTitle, Unit,uName from sData where uName like "%Natl%"

DRG November 29th, 2020 12:49 PM

Re: MBT's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 849079)
And just as important is the in some cases, extreme lack of slots available in some of the OOB's. We came up with a solution a few months ago to free up some slots in the USA OOB by moving the
"Gunships" into the GREEN OOB.

......which *seemed* a "good idea" ATT but the flaw in that idea is that the Green OOB already has it's own Gunships which would conflict with the US ones unless the US ones were added over top of the existing Green ones and any Green or USA gunship would be one = the other

Suhiir November 29th, 2020 10:15 PM

Re: MBT's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 849084)
Quote:

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 849079)
And just as important is the in some cases, extreme lack of slots available in some of the OOB's. We came up with a solution a few months ago to free up some slots in the USA OOB by moving the
"Gunships" into the GREEN OOB.

......which *seemed* a "good idea" ATT but the flaw in that idea is that the Green OOB already has it's own Gunships which would conflict with the US ones unless the US ones were added over top of the existing Green ones and any Green or USA gunship would be one = the other

Since gunships (if I'm not mistaken) are not in the picklists and can only be purchased during scenario design I don't see a real problem with US and non-US gunships in the Green OOB.


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