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FASTBOAT TOUGH October 19th, 2009 06:23 PM

APC Development and related topics.
 
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Like MRAP development, APC design is accelerating just as rapidly. Many of the technologies found in the MRAP are finding their way into APC designs currently available and in the future. These are to include but not limited to modular construction, new hull designs, mine and IED resistant, reactive and hybrid armor packages with on-board Battlefield Management Systems (BMS). This is to show what is available and coming to both inform and hopefully get into SPMBT. So for your review first up:
British MOD evaluates two foreign designs for their Future Rapid Effect Systems (FRES) program. FRES Scout Vehicle will be made for recon, Med. armor & maneuver support. Two bids will be submitted in Nov. with a possible 2 Billion Pound contract awarded by the first quarter of 2010. MOD plans for 1300 FRES variants with the first 270 being scout vehicles. Vehicles to enter service in 2015 made in the UK to replace the Scimitar and Spartan. BAE Swedish Op to submit CV90 chassis vehicle. With a British designed new turret that utilizes a new auto 40mm CT40 Case Telescoped Weapon System (CWTS) developed by CTA International in joint venture with BAE and Nextar Industries. Turret designed for accurate firing on the move which will be a first for a Med. armored vehicle in British service. Max combat Wt. 32-35 tons speed 70km/h on road and will have ADS for active protection system. Will be similar to Swedish and Dutch CV9035 MKIII. Note picture on the right shows the MOD version test firing in Sweden with the British turret. Pictures as follows:
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General Dynamics UK to submit ASCOD-2 an upgraded version of the Austrian ULAN and Spanish Pizarro. Max combat Wt. 31 tons speed 70km/h with 33km/h in reverse. And is fully battle field integrated. Note ASCOD-2 is in service with the Spanish and German armies now. Pictures as follows
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Sources: defence-update.com and Jane's armored vehicle online edition. Will have news from Singapore later.
Regards to all!
Pat :yawn:

FASTBOAT TOUGH October 21st, 2009 02:00 AM

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In joint venture with Turkey, Singapore Technologies Kinetics has developed the TERREX ICV. Singapore will field an initial 135 units to it's Infantry and Guards units during 2010. The TERREX is an 8x8 ICV (Infantry Carrier Vehicle) with a crew of 2 and can carry 12 passengers. Powered by a 400hp CAT C9 Diesel it's speed will be btwn. 110-115km/h. It will sport an independent hydro pneumatic suspension system. Mounted on the chassis it will feature a fully stabilized turret with a remote operated
30mm Bushmaster II. What sets the TERREX apart is that it has a new Acoustic Weapon Detection System (AWDS) on-board along with a Battlefield Management System (BMS). Pictures:
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This is part of Singapore's major effort to modernize it's forces and keep pace with it's regional neighbors such as Indonesia that's doing the same and plans to purchase 420 TERREXs. The TERREX will replace Singapore's V-200 carrier (Will re-verify this.) and augment the purchase in 2005 of the BIONIX II and currently the improved BIONIX III and 2006 purchase from Germany of the LEOPARD IIA4. Pictures:
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If Singapore isn't in SPMBT as was suggested in a thread elsewhere, maybe as the author suggested this can be rectified?
Good Night!
Pat

Anthony_Scott October 22nd, 2009 01:58 PM

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Please see this thread about some Elbit closed hatch concepts, which will revolutionise how infantry fights from APCs:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44092

FASTBOAT TOUGH October 22nd, 2009 09:48 PM

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Anthony,
Thank you, I read the post. Just use the TERREX or to represent the MRAPs the
RG-35, they are both examples of the thinking going on around the world to more effectively protect crew and passengers while still increasing vehicle survivability at the same time sort of like "Having your cake and eating it to.". TERREX w/AWDS it hears it, tells FCS to shoot it and after BUSHMASTER II kills it the on-board BMS has already told the battlefield commander "in the rear with the gear" in real time what's happened and even watched if his country has a satelite or other visual source such as a UAV etc. Hi-Tech on the battlefield is certainly moving on! What Patton could've done if he had it!?! Also please note TERREX source info is the same as the previous FRES one.
Thanks!
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH December 21st, 2009 01:46 AM

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VBM Freccia 8x8 IFV. Developed by the Iveco-Oto Melara consortium, the Freccia is the first digitised vehicle to enter service with the Italian Army. Based on the Centauro 105mm tank destroyer chassis, the Freccia sports a longer and narrower hull capable of carrying a crew of 3 (1 Driver and 2 in the turret.) along with 8 soldiers. An order of 249 units has been placed with all to be fielded by 2013. Broken down as follows: 172 IFV's with the Oto Melara Hitfist Plus turret with a Oerlikon 25mm KBA cannon, pair of 7.62mm coaxial one main gun fitted the other roof mounted, pointing laser device and a thermal night camera. 36 ATGW units that will in addition to the above, carry 2 Rafael Spike long range anti-tank guided missiles. Others to include a mortar variant with a
Thales 2R2M, striped 120mm mortar with auto loader, hydraulic recoil cushioning system and auto handling and shooting management system. The Command variant to have an Oto Melara Hitrole 12.7mm turret with a full battlefield comms and electronics package. There will also be an Ambulance and Recovery variants.

FASTBOAT TOUGH December 21st, 2009 02:20 AM

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VBM Freccia 8x8 IFV. Developed by the Iveco-Oto Melara consortium, the Freccia is the first digitised vehicle to enter service with the Italian Army. Based on the Centauro 105mm tank destroyer chassis, the Freccia sports a longer and narrower hull capable of carrying a crew of 3 (1 Driver and 2 in the turret.) along with 8 soldiers. An order of 249 units has been placed with all to be fielded by 2013. Broken down as follows: 172 IFV's with the Oto Melara Hitfist Plus turret with a Oerlikon 25mm KBA cannon, pair of 7.62mm coaxial one main gun fitted the other roof mounted, pointing laser device and a thermal night camera. 36 ATGW units that will in addition carry 2 Rafael Spike long range anti-tank guided missiles. Others to include 21 Mortar variant with a Thales 2R2M, striped 120mm mortar with auto loader, hydraulic recoil cushioning system and auto handling and shooting management system. 20 Command variants to have an Oto Melara Hitrole 12.7mm turret with a full battlefield comms and electronics package. There will also be an Ambulance and Recovery variants. First IFV delivered in Feb. 2009, at Cepolispe in Montelibretti, Rome. All weapon systems testing was successfully completed in June 2009. All have onboard fire suppression systems, NBC protected and front and underside armor to protect against up to 30mm rounds and 6kg TFT blasts with a package to withstand 8kg mine blasts. Will provide stats next time, didn't print out right-sorry! Source for info and photos: army-technology.com.
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FASTBOAT TOUGH December 23rd, 2009 02:43 AM

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Hope everyone is doing well, just some quick updates.
1. VBM Freccia 8x8 additional stats as promised 26 tons powered by an Iveco diesel 6V super charged engine rated at 550hp, Spd. 110km/h and Rng. of 800km. Source army-tecnology.com.
2. At AUSA 2008 held in Wash. DC earlier this year, General Dynamics Armament&Technology Products (GD-ATP)unveiled the STRYKER with it's new hybrid armor kit (Designed by Rafeal.) that will be replacing the current SLAT armor kits being used now. Delivery is to be completed by March 2010 under the 150M contract awarded to GD-ATP. Note GD has been awarded the contract for the next gen STRYKER also will provide info and pictures later. Pictures follow, note second one shows a STRYKER with SLAT and Hybrid armor for wheel protection this is a "quick fix" until units are all retro-fitted. Source defence-update.com.
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3. British MOD has decided to update the WARRIOR under the
FRES SV program (See earlier post). Will update later sources are both above.
4. South Korea to field new K21 APC. Source:
army-technology.com. Again will update later.
Thanks! And a Merry Christmas to all!!
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH January 4th, 2010 02:49 PM

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"CROSS" had already done a thread on this-thanks! Just providing additional info with a related story. British MOD will and has acquired 100 Bronco ATTC vehicles from ST Kinetics of Singapore in a contract worth 150m pounds that will, as reported be designated as WARTHOG by B-MOD. Contract to be completed by mid 2010. The WARTHOG is to replace the VIKINGS currently being used in Afghanistan purchased under an Urgent Operational Requirement (UOR). Specs: Crew 2 with 10 troops, 65km/h roads and 5km/h in water, WARTHOG will in addition have a Platt MR50 shielded ring mount and external fuel tanks, powered by Caterpillar C7 generating 350bhp at 2400rpm.
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France on the other hand has chosen to purchase from BAE 129
BvS10 MKII VIKINGs a heavier version of the BvS206s VIKING for it's Rapid Intervention Forces (RIV) at a cost of 220m pounds. France chose the VIKING MKII over the Bronco. Deliveries to begin in this year.
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Imp January 4th, 2010 06:55 PM

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Strange isnt it that it only took 60 years to create lightweight Schuzen as in SLAT armour, think the Ruskies tried springs with limited success

FASTBOAT TOUGH January 18th, 2010 02:55 AM

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Don,
These were cross referenced against the game and I don't see them. Not going to be as much as we might've thought except for procurement issues that'll fall within the deadline as discussed in the MRAP thread. Some I had where already in the game that are just now being reported on. Small issue with dates when fielded very minor and plus or minus 1yr. based on current year from my info. NONSTARTERS as far as I'm concerned. Here you go again these are fielded dates:
1. Indonesia/Pindad ANOA/2008/C3 P10/12.7mm/http://www.military-today.com/apc/anoa.htm
2. England/WARTHOG/2009/C2 P10/MR50 Mount 12.7mm/http://www.army-technology.com/proje...og-all-terrain
3. South Korea/K-21 NIFV/2009/C3 P9/40mm, 2 ATGW/Anti Helo Launcher Sim. to IDF SPIKE and 7.62mm coax/http://www.army-technology.com/proje...hting-vehicle/ and http://www.military-today.com/apc/nifv.htm
4. United States/STRYKER/2010/New Armor for all./http://defense-update.com/features/2...ve_270509.html
5. France/BvS10 MKII VIKING/2011/C2 P10/12.7mm or 7.62mm/http://defense-update.com/products/v/viking_231209.html
6. Netherlands/BOXER/2011/C3 P8/12.7mm/http://www.military-today.com/apc/boxer_mrav.htm
Pics:
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Good Night!
Pat

DRG January 18th, 2010 04:22 AM

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This is excellent. Thanks Pat

Don

FASTBOAT TOUGH January 25th, 2010 02:54 AM

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Don,
Only need to add Warrior SV that has just been approved recently under British MOD FRES program. Also added MBT items not found. Notes added as needed.
1. Norway/XA-203S/2007/C3 P7/12.7mm/http://www.military-today.com/apc/xa_203.htm
Other two countries have them in the game.

2. Taiwan/CM-32 YUNPAO IFV/C3 P6/20mm & RM 7.62mm/ http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2671.html and http://www.military-today.com/apc/cm32_yunpao.htm
These refs and others indicate the APC and IFV variants are already fielded. Game makes APC variant not available I believe until 2012. FSV/C3/105mm variant doesn't appear available at this time, will track progress.

MBTs:
1. Jordon/M-60 PHOENIX/2005/C4/SB120mm, 12.7mm & 7.62mm/
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m60_phoenix.htm, http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o...3203.aspx?PF=1 and http://www.faqs.org/abstracts/Milita...oop-trial.html
The game shows Jordon with a "AL-RUKH" MBT which I couldn't find in a net search while doing my cross check and the game icon doesn't look the same as the picture below, that's why this is here.

2. Egypt/M-60 2000 120S/2009/C4/SB120mm, 12.7mm & 7.62mm/ http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/262218 (Bottom), http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...d/m60-2000.htm and http://www.janes.com/defence/land_fo...0823_1_n.shtml
I wouldn't waste our time if I thought this MBT was a "mirage" but it's your call. I'm at 90% it's there, wish I could nail this down some more for you.

3. If time allows thought you would want a picture of the *BLACK EAGLE as it's listed with S. Korea to replace the artist concept drawing. Ref is for others as desired. http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t12_black_eagle.htm

Pics:
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Have a Great Day EVERYONE!!,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH January 25th, 2010 03:05 AM

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All,
Just a couple of more pics for you:
Attachment 9307 From a Korean source looks more like the 2000 120S but that's how it was labled.

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Everyone GOOD NIGHT!,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH January 26th, 2010 02:23 AM

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Don,
I'm going to hold off on the WARRIOR SV, it won't meet our window for ops. There seems however to be info to support that the British are using WARRIORs with TOWs (army-technology.com) on board as they equipped them for the Kuwaitis on their DESERT WARRIORs. Maybe you (or someone else?) have better sources then I on this matter to meet the outline of info you require as discussed. I didn't see any for the British in the game unless I missed it. Also it would appear that the "Korean source" picture is correct for the Jordain M-60 PHOENIX (Post #13) and the picture I provided (Post #12) must be of one with add on armor protection. Links will show upgrades and images (to support the above), all from the manufacturer for the PHOENIX.
http://www.kaddb.com/static/project2.shtm and http://www.kaddb.com/static/projects/m60/1.htm (3 Images)
My work is done here for now and will move onto the MRAPs which again should only be about five or six types. Hope to have them cross referenced and posted later this week before I leave for vacation to "the great white north". No response needed, I know you're in CRUNCH time.
Regards,
Pat

Mobhack January 26th, 2010 03:18 AM

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Don,
I'm going to hold off on the WARRIOR SV, it won't meet our window for ops. There seems however to be info to support that the British are using WARRIORs with TOWs (army-technology.com) on board as they equipped them for the Kuwaitis on their DESERT WARRIORs. Maybe you (or someone else?) have better sources then I on this matter to meet the outline of info you require as discussed. I didn't see any for the British in the game unless I missed it. Also it would appear that the "Korean source" picture is correct for the Jordain M-60 PHOENIX (Post #13) and the picture I provided (Post #12) must be of one with add on armor protection. Links will show upgrades and images (to support the above), all from the manufacturer for the PHOENIX.
http://www.kaddb.com/static/project2.shtm and http://www.kaddb.com/static/projects/m60/1.htm (3 Images)
My work is done here for now and will move onto the MRAPs which again should only be about five or six types. Hope to have them cross referenced and posted later this week before I leave for vacation to "the great white north". No response needed, I know you're in CRUNCH time.
Regards,
Pat

Desert Warrior was an export-only item for 1 customer.

UK does not believe in APC with integrated ATGM, or ATGM integral to the rifle platoon. ATGM should be in own-unit support formations separate from the rifle platoon which can manoeuvre separately as required.

FRES Scout may (eventually) be decided some time in the next 2 or 3 years, after squillions have been p**sed down the drain over decades. Front runner seems to be a CV-90 with the 40mm CTWS turret. Maybe the 35mm. Choosing the 35mm bushmaster would be saner since it is used by many armies and the ammo is widely available, hence reasonable cost. 40CTWS would leave the army with a unique weapon system and calibre which is not good.

FRES APC is still further down the line it seems. The entire FRES programme has been a colossal waste of time and money. Only the UK MOD (which outnumbers the troops) could mis-manage this so wonderfully.

Andy

FASTBOAT TOUGH January 27th, 2010 04:16 AM

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Andy,
Was unaware that ATGW units worked independently, I would prefer a little bit of security around my assets. Love how these parallel programs for the WARRIOR (or any other) as discussed in the link have converged to the point where the WARRIOR SV has probably won out in the FRES program in that category. And the modernization program to take the WARRIOR out to 2038, makes me wonder if they'll just stick to it under the FRES program altogether in the end. Imagine how much more it would've cost if they started from scratch with a new platform altogether? I think every major military does the same, we did it with the
Osprey amongst others. Anyway here's the article.
http://defense-update.com/features/2...or_071209.html
Good Night and with Regards to ALL,
Pat

thatguy96 January 27th, 2010 12:19 PM

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Here's another article on the subject of the FRES/WFLIP programs.

DRG February 6th, 2010 05:47 PM

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Don,
These were cross referenced against the game and I don't see them.

6. Netherlands/BOXER/2011/C3 P8/12.7mm/[b][url]


Unit 106 PWV APC

Don

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 13th, 2010 01:07 PM

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Don,
Back with no broken bones and some great cheesecake form NYC. Sorry I missed that unit. Will keep an eye out for any late developments. The HAWKEI has advanced to the next stage and is on track for 2013, but I'd wait until next years patch, as 2010 will be critical for that and other programs to include British MOD FRES.
Hope all is well.
Regards,
Pat

DRG February 13th, 2010 05:39 PM

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Pat. Save any further updates until after the next patch please. I'm a bit snowed under with work as it is

Thanks

Don

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 14th, 2010 03:48 AM

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Don,
No problem. Look forward to the patch when it's available, I have a sense this will be one of the biggest to date. In the meantime the AI awaits my return as my Japanese forces fight the Russians and North Koreans.
Take Care and the best to you on the MANY hours still ahead of you and the others. Do not hesitate to ask if I can help in some way.
Regards,
Pat
We know the risks in advance, yet we still volunteer to go deeper and further then most. Never fearful, never afraid but always respectful of the ocean cold and deep. Many have given their all whether by war or folly of man, just ask those still on eternal patrol, revered, remembered and never forgotten.
- Me.

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 15th, 2010 03:19 PM

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All,
BAE unveils their demonstrator at last weeks IAV show in London. This is BAE's entry in the British MOD FRES program on an CV-90 chassis with British turret. It's worth watching BAE's You Tube "commercial" to see the guns firing on target as the chassis does continous 360 turns. See earlier post on topic and tracking for 2010 as a decision is to be made later this year on the winner.
http://defense-update.com/features/2...or_100210.html
Enjoy,
Pat

Imp February 15th, 2010 07:39 PM

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Another nice find the only problem I see with that gun is if we end up as the only user that said if your going to mount one it wants to be capable of taking out taxis etc & they are becoming tougher, more potent HE etc as well as larger. Does nicely get round the issue of bigger gun less ammo loadout, if the tech transfers 140mm tank guns might just make an appearance at some point though how long are the barrels going to be if that happens?

EJ February 15th, 2010 09:59 PM

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Fastboat,
Impressive find. How do you always find such great info on military vehicle development? This looks like a good replacement for the Bradley. We will see how many countries embrace it besides the UK.....

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 16th, 2010 10:04 PM

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IMP just for you:
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t12_black_eagle.htm
Note it's designed for a 135mm - 152mm main gun though I can't remember how it's armed in the game for S. Korea. You can plainly see that's no 120mm gun pictured. Also a couple of articles have indicated that the Case Enclosed 40mm for the FRES and Warrior SV programs are here to stay. With the round being
3x more powerful then the current 30mm round why not? And I believe the round also is "self sharpening" in flight as well as I believe the 30mm round used by S. Korea is as well on their new K2 IFV, though I'm going by memory here (Might be Singapores TERREX Bushmaster II round.)
EJ: As I mentioned elsewhere, It took me a year to post again after following my primary five sources for that period of time to track and verify their info against each other and still other sources in my areas of interest. Bottom line I take my research seriously to be as accurate as possible and not waste each others time. Treat yours like a reporter trust the good ones and forget the rest. And thanks!
Pat

Imp February 17th, 2010 05:45 AM

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Cheers Pat is great for us a easy quick look at whats coming up.
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With the round being 3x more powerful then the current 30mm round why not? And I believe the round also is "self sharpening" in flight
Whoa I had seen stuff saying it was more powerful did not realise just how much thats a huge jump,serious ammo tech going on there thats a leap like Chobham. You would think export sales is a big possibility which stops you being the only people fielding it.
If it can be transfered to tank main guns no need to go bigger you just powered up.

DRG February 17th, 2010 09:59 AM

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My my but that "black Eagle" certainly has long legs. Did you note the information that the companys been bankrupt since 2002 ?? It was one of the first "what if's" we put in and it's now been removed from every OOB that had it and a good reason why we don't add things like this any longer.

Don

Imp February 20th, 2010 08:01 AM

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Due to your posts stopped looking at APCs etc but protection seems to have come a long way certainly on current crop of IFVs.
There was the story of the warrior driver that extracted a squad with wounded I think & took over half a dozen RPG hits doing it. Current testing policy seems to be fire 2 RPG7s at it to prove armours ability to take multiple hits. Okay its an old RPG but someting has happened here I would call that good protection.

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 20th, 2010 12:58 PM

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IMP and others,
You then might find this article interesting as an example of where we're heading:
http://www.defense-update.com/produc...ps_291009.html
Survivability is turned into a big market area and I think this is why we're not seeing much in advancement of new models in MBTs, it's cheaper to tech up, gun up and increase protection on existing equipment. This is allowing for instance British MOD to plan for a service life increase of the WARRIOR until 2030. The M-60 with the packages available as I've posted for consideration for Don already, are looking at service life extensions of 15 to 20 more years. All this tech allows everyone to stay in the game longer especially during these economic times.
Pat

Imp February 20th, 2010 03:43 PM

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Well thats a novel idea got to hit it with machine guns just a fraction before fire the RPG tricky, should send warhead designers off for a rethink.
Slightly off topic I see US modified Phalanx ship missile defence system for ground use, recalibrated to intercept incoming mortar rounds, would assume cant cover much of an area.

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 26th, 2010 03:48 AM

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Lesson learned, identify your best sources and use and stick to them first. Recently a request for info was put out there and I used what I consider a "secondary" source of the ones I use for the sake of expediency over my two best ones. Will not happen again (I hope!), stay true to what you know. Reviewed
http://www.army-technology.com/ and everything was there for most of what was submitted by me. I feel like Mr. Toyoda. Not looking for any bridges (OR ANYTHING ELSE.) unless you want to buy one, just needed to vent. Besides the AI has changed it's tactics and I've some thinking to do to pull this out and avoid a draw! Working to retake the Kuriles! That source might help as "checker". Can you "copy" (normally "cut") from the net and then paste it here?
Good Night!
Regards,
Pat

Marcello February 27th, 2010 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Imp (Post 732629)
Well thats a novel idea got to hit it with machine guns just a fraction before fire the RPG tricky, should send warhead designers off for a rethink.
Slightly off topic I see US modified Phalanx ship missile defence system for ground use, recalibrated to intercept incoming mortar rounds, would assume cant cover much of an area.

IIRC the chinese have something similar in operational service: a phalanx/goalkeeper style gun mounted on a truck with the associated systems. It is however meant to provide a last layer of defense against PGMs for high value targets (an important bridge or whatever), which is probably the only cost effective use for such a weapon most of the time. By cost I don't mean just the financial cost but all the associated issues that come with it. All that DU/tungsten etc you are putting in the air is going to come down somewhere and you don't want to have anyone there when that happens, not to mention making sure that one of the damn things doesn't lock on the helicopter of the general who's coming for an inspection...
Building mortar proof bunkers isn't that problematic, penetration against hardened targets is low.

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 28th, 2010 01:30 AM

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Don't want to stray too far off the ranch here but, I have heard someone else was involved and or interested in the CTCA 40mm to be used in the British MOD WARRIOR SV and FRES programs. With that said I'll simply leave you with "viva le France!" and this article:
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_1612.html

Good Night!
Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 19th, 2010 01:19 AM

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Was just going through my main sources to see if there was any news for "my" threads when I came across this update
(see Post #1 for background.), my feeling is that BAE is going to win this contract with the British MOD under the FRES program. The modified CV9035 MKIII has just proven it can easily handle the additional 15 tons put on it from added protection and the new turret with the CTWS 40mm. It's been awful quite from General Dynamics concerning their modified ASCOD (Which will carry the same turret.). But you decide:
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_1628.html
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JohnAbrams21 March 19th, 2010 03:54 PM

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I believe that General Dynamics has won the "scout" portion of the FRES contract with the ASCOD II.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...57&c=EUR&s=TOP

Report: General Dynamics Wins U.K. Scout Contract
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 13 Mar 2010 14:51
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LONDON - American firm General Dynamics is the winner over BAE Systems in the race to build a new generation of armored reconnaissance vehicles for the British Army, The Financial Times reported March 13.
A March 13 report said that General Dynamics has been selected to build 750 next-generation armored reconnaissance vehicles for the British Army. Above, an image of the proposed vehicle. (COURTESY OF GENERAL DYNAMICS UK)

The contract for scout variant of the British Army's Future Rapid Effects System vehicles is worth more than 1 billion pounds ($1.5 billion, 1.1 billion euros), the newspaper said.
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British defence equipment minister Quentin Davies will name General Dynamics as the preferred bidder in the deal to build an initial 750 vehicles, The Financial Times said.

General Dynamics' ASCOD 2 was in a head-to-head fight with BAE Systems' CV-90 MkIII.

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 20th, 2010 03:07 AM

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JohnAbrams21,
Seems as though we have a little controversy here!?! Yours was dated the 13th, mine the 18th this will require some digging into!! Thank you for the response! And I really liked the CV90 too!
Regards,
Pat
P.S.
Imp any insights from across the pond!!

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 20th, 2010 03:48 AM

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London Times reports the following on the 16th, could be a "leak":
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7063234.ece
Regards,
Pat
P.S.
God help me, my wife will kill me if I can't get up in 4hrs. to drive to Macon, GA. for the annual Cherry Blossom Fest. with the family in caravan. Can anyone offer asylum out there?!?
GOOD NIGHT and have a GREAT WEEKEND!!!
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 22nd, 2010 09:20 PM

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Well it's official as of today, British MOD has awarded the
FRES SV portion of the program to General Dynamics. Theirs was the SV using the ASCOD-2 as the platform (The turret contract was already awarded w/the 40mm case mounted gun.) The rest of the FRES program could be in jeopardy to budget issues. Again see post #1. Article as reported from London Times:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7071312.ece
Related article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7071924.ece

Regards,
Pat

Imp March 23rd, 2010 05:18 PM

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Quote:

Imp any insights from across the pond!!
Sorry Pat been a bit hectic of recent just noticed this, glad to see you survived the Cherry Blossom incident & are still reporting.

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 24th, 2010 01:23 AM

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John,
Thanks for the concern, we had a great weekend, and no asylum was needed! Figured you were tied up. Was going to post the news from the Telegraph as well but deleted the post by accident. Seems this decision has upset many in regards to England maintaining it's own tank making capacity and a lot of online info to suggest many in the Army preferred the CV-9035 MKIII over the ASCOD-2. Politics "ain't" it wonderful!?!
Here's some pics of the winner:
Attachment 9714 Attachment 9715

Regards,
Pat

Imp March 24th, 2010 03:24 PM

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Hmm

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 24th, 2010 11:04 PM

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Just got home from work, checked in on the forum, when that nagging voice had me recheck my last post #40. Well my apologies too everyone, I got my photo info reversed, the model shows the original turret, the photo is actually the improved "protected" turret. Notice the difference at the point where the gun is mounted. Sorry for any inconvenience!
Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH April 2nd, 2010 12:23 PM

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BAE turns over last of the BvS10 MKII Vikings to British MOD.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_1640.html
Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH April 3rd, 2010 01:34 AM

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WARTHOGs arrive in UK for AFGAN fitout.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_1496.html
Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH April 22nd, 2010 01:36 AM

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I've been waiting for someone to pick up this vehicle from FNSS Turkey and can now report that Malaysia will be purchasing 257 units made in 12 different variants to include a two man turreted IFV. As far as I can determine Turkish forces still have not picked up on this vehicle. It is fully amphibous out of the box but can be fitted with hydro-jets to increase speed. Can be fitted out with various weapons from 12.7mm, ATGW to AA. Most notably it seems it turned out to be very capable in desert ops as well. Remember I only use actual or expected fielded dates in all my posts as a general reminder:).
Malaysia/PARS/2012?/C2 P12/Main IFV w/2M Turret UKN CalWep
Source:
http://www.military-today.com/apc/pars.htm and
http://www.defense-update.com/featur..._21042010.html
http://www.army-technology.com/news/news82888.html
About Malay purchase.
Pics:
Attachment 9969 Attachment 9970 Attachment 9971
Good Night!
Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH May 21st, 2010 12:36 PM

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This is just one improvement of one of the most widely used and longest lasting APC's in the world.
Australia/M113AS4/2007/C2 P~10/12.7mm 1.2KRDs/
Info:
http://www.military-today.com/apc/m113as4.htm
Pics:
Attachment 10124 Attachment 10125
Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH May 24th, 2010 10:51 PM

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It's time to start tracking the USAs Ground Combat Vehicle (GVC) program. The GVC will be the first combat vehicle designed from the ground up to fight in an IED environment. Reportedly it'll offer a higher level of protection then is currently available with current MRAPs. The players are in place for the competition. We'll see and you decide.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/15444/ and
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/15445/
Pic as labeled NOT the GVC:
Attachment 10138
This will be an interim fix until the GVC gets fielded, which might also replace the BRADLEY.
Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH May 26th, 2010 12:57 PM

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In my world of "hunt and peck" thank you all for not beating me up on my last post where I had "GVC" vice "GCV". The third team headed by SAIC is now identified as follows:
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/15500/
Note related links at bottom of article that are worth a look.
Next ties in the three teams to the GCV program:
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/580/
Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH June 3rd, 2010 01:11 AM

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Missed this, so with my apologies I correct myself that in post #47 the picture of the modified BRADLEY is BAEs entry in the GCV competition as the PUMA will be SIACs entry. As a reminder though they will look familiar they will be adapted to the "IED World" of combat we're in now, and will replace the BRADLEY over time. They will also be up-gunned (Up to 40mm), up-armored and up-sensored.
Regards,
Pat

Suhiir June 3rd, 2010 02:16 PM

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Side note for future reference (say for "what if" mods/OOBs).
The 30mm Bushmaster intended to be mounted on the new USMC EFV is designed to be able to upgrade to 50mm.
Just a FYI.


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