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Here is what today happens 16th of August 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbxxi8UGN6E Panic at Kabul airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzISUAacT8A https://twitter.com/i/status/1427246557200625665 And this video of American transport plane and desperation of peoples around is a proof that nothing is under control today :( (drastic scenes) https://twitter.com/i/status/1427236717183045642 Al Jazeera about this subject Airport last stand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjKmLy7CWWI Streets of Kabul today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CswMkfstAZo British soldiers just arrive to face this last stand on airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6T7NPg-Wzo Street crowd opinion about performance of ANA during this war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyt7G5ED6a4 Real accounts of internal displaced persons what's happens in countryside looks like on every war since antiqity civilians are killed :down: (read men are shots immediately women raped and probably then killed or not) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY2jBV8WpHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW_7rUPWeQM And here story of Gul teenage girl who try save her parents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smi_rEvVQ0s A month ago this was said about this subject by today victors about future of women's there. "Taliban wants girls above 15 to be "gifted to fighters as wives" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zju15VoByGI And here article about women soldiers of ANA They fear most to became POW and may fight to death if this last chance pace talks goes to nothing. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/08/16/scared-raped-killed-afghanistans-female-soldiers-fear-lives/ Here their training in 2019 captured by france24 camera https://www.france24.com/en/20190405...an-oil-morocco Story of Women inside Afganistan who are now face uncertain future :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h31f-slCNok And here probably words which summarise all this event's in short form by Seraj Mahbouba and words to all of us on the west. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUJlQbKHD2o |
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Nearly the entire Marshall's Plan worth of aid to Afghanistan. More than 2 trillions of military intervention cost. Aaaaaand there is Afghan government falling like a cripple from a wheelchair the second the nurse turned the head for a second. Oh, come on woman. If in 20 years Afghans cannot be convinced to broadly understood West, nothing will convince them. Taliban won because they generally do and say what majority of Afghans really believe and want, regardless what bull**** were they previously telling to the ISAF troops shaking their hands. Afghanistan is for Afghans, if they want it Taliban style, so be it :P Or they had all the means to fight for it. |
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It would be interesting to know it was fighters from ISIL/ISIS who made their way to Afganistan to bolster the Taliban that tipped the balance.
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To "quantify" the following, 1 is too many, but, war is war. As the release of classified documents released in about the last 15 years or so showed, we were some place else a lot longer then was "advertised" my Dad did an advisor tour while in the USA in either 1957/58 or 1958/59 (1959 is when the war started between North and South Vietnam.)
Both Afghanistan and S. Vietnam with our involvement share similar issues both politically and militarily. Which tried to change their governments but due to incompetency and corruption, they both failed. We spent decades training both so that could fight on their own, the final result? The countries capitals of Kabul fell this past weekend and Saigon fell in 1 day as most historians agree on now-mostly-2 days by some. Unlike the Ukrainians presently that are fighting to preserve their country (Maybe it's time we bumped up their morale also. At least they're "holding the line".), the other two, besides the above were/are "tribal" in nature regionally in S. Vietnam and more locally in Afghanistan. The evacuations, no difference. I watched it live on TV then as now and it's the same "F U Soup Sandwich". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA3uV_YXZAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lLBbhnkZU https://www.forces.net/heritage/hist...as-fall-saigon https://thevietnamwar.info/how-long-...20be%20precise. To the other... https://www.forces.net/evergreen/isl...they-different There was guy named George Santayana who said “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” Sounds about right to me. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Arms of Afghanistan army
before soviet invasion until late 70's small arms rifles/carabines etc https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/...rt-i-firearms/ vehicles/APC/Tanks https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/...and-artillery/ There is an video which was an prediction of this what now happens on Kabul airport Bagram military base and Jun 5 2021 https://www.scmp.com/video/world/314...ing-new-afghan June 17 still under control of ANA https://www.scmp.com/video/asia/3138...rd-scraps-sell Now with all this vehicles probably in Taliban hands And good article about reason why this happens "Why the US-Trained Afghan National Army Have Been Defeated with Ease by the Taliban" https://www.military.com/daily-news/...e-taliban.html |
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The article is mostly political, so I'll just leave the link and the warning: politics. However, there are some interesting parts that I'll quote here:
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Just d'like to add propostion to Afgan OOB expansion based on data from previous post about equipment of Afgan Army pre 1970.
Next I d'like to propose addition of Afgan ANA commandos units which according to wikipedia were tasked with 80% of all fights with Taliban until recently Kabul fall and desintegration of goverment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan...Commando_Corps This movie from July is proof that they were no mercy for them even when they surrender https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/13/a...hnk/index.html Not supraised that Commandos were among the first of this who start resistance under Northern aliance banner recently in Panjshir Valley were heading last troops since 17th August https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panjshir_resistance This propostion is based on Afgan OOB OOB26 where nothing is changed except units after unit662 where this new units are placed I also add a couple of lbm's which represents Pm29900.lbm until Pm29915.lbm tanks and equipment from article Pm29916.lbm until Pm29924.lbm ANA commandos Pm29925.lbm to Pm299929.lbm former ANA airforce aircrafts look on PM29928.lbm was described as SU-17 recently captured by Taliban BTW. Detailed raport of ANA losses Equipment losses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Taliban_offensive Quote:
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If you look again on the movie of execution of Commandos from CNN from July further in the middle of the movie there is an evidence from local peoples that Taliban fighters talk in foreign language that may be an answer for question raised earlier that in this last stand of ANA army face also foreign fighters from outside Afghanistan.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/13/a...hnk/index.html And that is something disturbing that during this last month most capable and trustworthy soldiers of Afghan government were lured inside traps and killed without mercy probably thanks to penetration of ANA by traitors. Even Sun-Tzu mentioned that dagger stab in back or poison is more capable in war than open fight. So when Commandos units who fight moust battles in June-July were lost that is not suprise that regular army units and police simple disintegrate. They waren't fighting this war with so high morale either wasn't so well trained they have only equipment which they left and flee. If you look on this article about Salima Mazari governor of Chahar Kint https://twitter.com/hashtag/SalimaMa...=hashtag_click https://www.republicworld.com/world-...n-hostage.html organised a peoples militia to support ANA units and I have feeling that this wasn't an exception but happens in many parts of Afghanistan. So Afghanistan government fall but many peoples fights and now they face consequence of this I have feeling that they don't believe in promises of pace and personal security that is game now between Taliban and west who need airport secured and not attacked by Taliban. That people resistance against Taliban from side of society is now weak but already started because broken promises of Taliban government about peace, personal security, and issue of girls taken by fighters. That may also explain now bloody riots against Taliban in Jalalabad Khost and Asadaba, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Afghan_protests Simple Taliban top official government need international recognition and may promise many things even enforce them in Kabul but smaller warlords in provinces don't care they are interested in rape and pillage + killing of their enemies even if that is discouraged by new Taliban government in Kabul. That is why peoples who are on proscription lists, soldiers from broken units try to starts resistance. They have no other option Taliban want them dead west selfish caring only about safety of their evacuation and airport so probably now they can't even have any help from anywhere. Here is article about one of this last stand place PANJSHIR VALLEY in 16 of august they start to collect vehicles and helicopters from broken units and prepare https://nypost.com/2021/08/18/inside...liban-control/ they even have their flag which is decadent from Northern alliance from 2001 https://www.republicworld.com/world-...-its-flag.html Here is more about rescued vehicles and equipment https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ssia-says.html https://www.trtworld.com/asia/anti-t...s-russia-49308 https://www.the-sun.com/news/3499828...tance-taliban/ And here about arms and gear of ANA commandos in hands of Taliban https://www.the-sun.com/news/3506397...military-gear/ |
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1.) Many ANA people hadn't been paid since...around May of this year. If you're not getting paid for the last 4 months, why stay? 2.) Many people were "ghost" soldiers, existing on paper to supply graft and corruption -- this was also AFAIK an issue with the Soviets in Afghanistan and/or Chechnya, but because Soviet organization was set up around WWII style supply distribution -- if you reported headcount accurately, you got less food/ammo, so there was an incentive to report dead people as alive to get their supplies. In the Afghan case, it was pure corruption, pocketing the "ghost soldiers'" salaries. 3.) Afghans couldn't even get "into" logistics -- many US units started carrying extra ammo and mags to resupply their assigned police; because the Afghan Police refused to issue out ammo -- you were given 2 magazines for your pistol, and you couldn't get any more until you came back with no ammo. The Afghans didn't get the concept that waiting until a unit was "black" in regards to supply was really bad. 4.) And this next issue is endemic to tribal culture -- this was also encountered in Mali (Africa) by the French who were attempting to train anti Shahib militas. Basically, local tribal councils keep the best quality manpower for their local militas and tribal police -- as a consequence, only the total fookin' idiots of that area get given up whenever the central government/police come around asking for manpower. This has a lot of knock on effects for trying to run a national army in areas of intense tribalism -- you're having to explain to the poorest possible quality of personnel why preventive maintenance is good for firearms and vehicles, and why you shouldn't be smoking hash while on guard duty (!!!) |
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