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DRG January 8th, 2017 07:06 AM

Re: MBT's

Originally Posted by Pat

So t80um in game must remain, but bars models are not in service


Originally Posted by luigim (Post 836544)
Correct FASTBOAT, but in reality they are in service in MVD troops ( Border troops and COIN troops, Caucasus)!

NOT according to this link Pat provided

"Bars did not enter serial production" and if they did not enter production how are they in service with MVD troops ?

luigim January 8th, 2017 07:30 AM

Re: MBT's
I'm talking about t55 and t62 not t80 um1 bars. My omission!

DRG January 8th, 2017 10:55 AM

Re: MBT's
I have adjusted the OOB and picklists

FASTBOAT TOUGH January 8th, 2017 03:18 PM

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Thank you Don, based on your last I'll consider the T-80UM1 Bars deleted now. I can confirm the following from various sites that still have T-55 data:

1)T-55M5 - This is an “upgrade kit” aimed for export to all previous T-55/T-55A customers. This package includes “Kontakt-5” ERA panels, longer chassis, stabilized TVK-3 and TKN-1SM sights, upgraded main gun stabilization system for the 100 mm (3.94 in) D-10T2S, and the new V-55U engine or V-46-5M as an option for more mobility. The combat weight was less than 40 tons.

2)T-55M6 - This was the last Russian upgrade to the type. I'll post the ref. below but to this next point, I've seen the same mentioned on many other sites. That being said, those that track these things will hopefully see what I saw right off. The turret is NOT a T-55 one but is without a doubt one from a T-72 tank. I only found one site that "hung it out there" to say it's a T-72B turret. I think that to be correct, the time frame would be right and I'm pretty sure the 125mm on the T-55M6 matches the T-72B 125mm. The rest following is not in dispute among the sites and I've already posted this as well.

"The latest upgrade, both for the Russian army and export, includes a longer chassis with six roadwheels per side, a completely overhauled turret with the 2A46M 125 mm (4.92 in) main gun and autoloader from the T-72B, V-46-5M engine and protection upgraded to the T-80U level. As an option it could receive the 1A40-1 fire control system and ATGM system 9K120 “Svir” (from the T-72B), or A42 and 9K119 “Refleks” (from the T-80U)."

The T-55M6 will need to be added to the Russian OOB probably from 1992+/- 2yrs. (Sorry Don I just can't get it much tighter then this, except to say earlier vs later for those dates.) time frame after the T-55MV/T-55AMV and T-80U tanks were fielded.

I would finally add we should only need one unit type, we all know the Russian propensity for having their tanks being able to fire tank launched ATGM. I would just give it the best one from above and call it a day assuming you'll add this tank. In this way we can still maximize the net gain in slots from the T-80UM1 Bars deletion.

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These should be the correct pictures. The key here is 6 road wheels. Also the static displays are from 2012 no doubt. So are those the "ready stored" ones or something else? Could be reserve component or to attract foreign sales opportunities. Those were taken at a Russian weapons show.

Anyway I'm done for now and CINCLANTHOME is giving me that "Are you going to take a shower" look. ;) :p


Pictures are correct!!

luigim January 8th, 2017 03:42 PM

Re: MBT's
Thank you FASTBOAT for the research but I cannot find sources that assess this tank in service or in reserve. To my knowledge, I Can say this t55m6 has the same value as BTR-T upgrade. Only a technology demostrator..

Some years ago they decided to upgrade only t-72 to a modern standard (T72B3 actually), with t90-derived technologies, for spare parts availability and commonality, with the parallel advanced tank program that resulted in Armata Tank.

However I'm asking in Russiadefence forum ( best russian equipment experts)

DRG January 8th, 2017 07:51 PM

Re: MBT's
A spin-off benefit from all that is there will be a new T-80UM icon in the next patch.....

FASTBOAT TOUGH January 8th, 2017 11:01 PM

Re: MBT's
Well I don't know how many times I mentioned this site as being my first 1 or 2 I check in dealing with any fighting equipment because quite frankly over the years except for on one occasion when I first used it, it has it never let me down. On I don't how many times again over the years it's been the first to report on and provide data on new or improved equipment. My submissions also over the years are littered with refs from this site. Concerning the T-55M6 it just was the last place I checked so, Don if you'll excuse me, it's time for a little simile beat down...:confused: :tough: :sorry: :soap: :pc: :deadhorse: :puke: :yield: :fire: :censor: I feel better :D but I forgot one :doh:. I won't say that'll never happen again (The smilies.) but in regards to the following it won't.

Though much smaller then it was 1.5 yrs. ago, I should've listened to my "gut" and "stuck by my guns" when I already at the beginning of this conversation posted that the T-55MV was the latest upgrade made by the Russians and made operation in 1985.

Lesson learned slow down and scroll down as it refers to the above ref. You just have to stay humble and be willing to eat some pie once in awhile. :p (Sorry Don don't know how that just got in!?!)

I'm totally satisfied now we can enjoy all those newly opened up slots now, my time wasn't totally wasted now knowing that.

Next!! I'm waiting.


DRG January 12th, 2017 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkSheppard (Post 836500)
Another thing from Syria, the Syrian equivalent of TUSK.

Looks like standard Slat Armor + some sort of composite armor?

Part of me wants to say "concrete", but Syria isn't like Iraq, under relentless sanctions; but probably some low order alumina/ceramic mixture that's cheap enough for Syria to buy in bulk.


luigim January 12th, 2017 09:44 AM

Re: MBT's
Remember that Durango Valley Russian versin has T80 UM1 Bars in it

DRG January 12th, 2017 03:37 PM

Re: MBT's

Originally Posted by luigim (Post 836579)
Remember that Durango Valley Russian versin has T80 UM1 Bars in it

Already fixed along with the others

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