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DRG January 12th, 2017 03:45 PM

Re: MBT's
 
2 Attachment(s)
further refinement of the Syrian "tusk" and I'm introducing my version of "Sinai Grey" to select Isreali vehicles
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1484250263
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1484250307

luigim January 12th, 2017 05:44 PM

Re: MBT's
 
T-80BV upgrading to T80UM standard? Relikt ERA? Has been confirmed?

Russia is taking seriously the idea of land army modernization

Maybe postpone T80UM retirement date from 2020 to end game 2025

The beauty of your work and of this game is that we already have this upgraded model in game

http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapo..._11507162.html

http://www.janes.com/article/65580/r...nks-to-service

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2251644.html

http://defense-watch.com/2016/11/15/...-back-service/

DRG January 13th, 2017 03:14 PM

Re: MBT's
 
All in all I'm rather pleased with the results of this experiment. The range of colours I'm able to extract from this game palette continues to surprise me still after 18 years. Everything below is game palette......now, that said this ISN'T SP2's original game palette. There have been modifications for winspww2 and winspmbt....and there will be again next patch

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1484334730

shahadi January 14th, 2017 06:45 PM

Re: MBT's
 
Where are we with the Iranian Karrar MBT? Is it something new or a souped up T-72 under Russian license?

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FASTBOAT TOUGH January 18th, 2017 02:07 AM

Re: MBT's
 
As reported almost a year ago, Iran's Defense Minister declared this tank to be a new design built from the ground up. The KARRAR was the reason Iran backed out of a deal with Russia to buy the T-90S which I'd been tracking for months before the above announcement was made. So to keep the timeline intact by date from my files I give you the following...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/febru..._50302162.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/febru..._31002163.html


All that only one week apart.

Some hints about the KARRAR I've been watching...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2..._51205163.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/octob..._72510162.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/decem..._52612162.html


More in depth look...
http://defence-blog.com/army/in-iran...ttle-tank.html
https://southfront.org/new-domestica...otted-in-iran/
http://below-the-turret-ring.blogspo...aded-t-72.html


Another new tank the TIAM...
http://www.janes.com/article/59551/i...eils-tiam-tank
https://tankandafvnews.com/2016/04/1...m-battle-tank/
http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/co...ombat-vehicles
http://thediplomat.com/2016/04/iran-...n-battle-tank/
http://below-the-turret-ring.blogspo...totype_14.html
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/sabalan.htm


Iran claims both are in service now, however my feeling is somewhere mid-summer this year unless something comes up showing sooner.

Why they didn't buy the T-90S (Or better.) has me baffled as Iran can now with the sanctions removed, afford to buy them in numbers and significantly boost their own armor technological base significantly in the process. I just have to give it a :doh:! Unless we're all missing something here, but, I'm not "feeling that" with this situation.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

FASTBOAT TOUGH January 23rd, 2017 12:28 AM

Re: MBT's
 
Just something I came across in my readings. I thought the "Chunnel" design was always required to meet this specification in the first place? Maybe I was wrong, but, I guess for the UK (And allies.) better safe than sorry. Story from NBC News originally.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...L&ocid=U270DHP

Syria: Gets more "modern" (Well maybe not so much!?!) armor from Russia. But what they got is probably good enough for the job at hand providing ISIS/DASH and the other militia groups don't steal or take more of them again as had fairly recently occurred.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/janua..._11801177.html

Turkey: And didn't I just "tap" these guys for the ALTAY last week? Well here we go again. I estimate this should delay the program 6 months to a year, any takers? They should've just stuck with the S. Korean or German engines when they had the chance. Regardless, I'm watching this.
http://www.janes.com/article/67104/t...ransfer-issues

Russia: Just unveiled a new version of the Russia T-90 for export to supplement both the T-90S and T-90MS. Welcome the T-90M. As far as I know Russia and India are still in talks for the latter to be the first customer of the T-90MS. It would appear the claims that Kazakhstan having them "might" not be true. I'll be waiting to see if their are any takers.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/janua..._11501175.html

Nicaragua: This should be a "softball" so I'll present this in a manner not seen since the 2013/2014 Patch inputs were done, if you'll allow me to do so.

A1. NICARAGUA/ADD/OCT 2016/T-72B1 w/WHITE EAGLE FCS Pkg. NOW HAS HUNTER KILLER MODE/USE RUSSIAN UNIT 035 (IF THE ERA REPRESENTS KONTAKT-1 IF NOT USE UNIT 036) AS MODIFIED/IMPROVED 125mm 2A45 w/NEW STABILIZER. APPARENTLY STILL CAN'T LAUNCH ATGW. NORMAL FOR THIS VERSION/RWS 12.7mm NSVT UTES MG AS USED ON THE T-72MS RDS UKN/TI/GSR 45 w/ WHITE EAGLE Pkg./IMPROVE OTHER FCS AREAS AS NEEDED. THIS SYSTEM IS MORE ADVANCED THEN WHAT IS CARRIED ON THE T-72B3./New engine 1000HP this was first seen with the introduction of the T-72B2 ROGATKA in 2006//
http://sturgeonshouse.ipbhost.com/in...ngines/page-85
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april..._52604162.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2..._50605161.html
https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/de..._uk_071005.pdf (2nd GEN)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ernization.htm
https://warisboring.com/nicaragua-bi...ac3#.cpj6o3wib
http://survincity.com/2013/04/modern...le-one-of-the/
http://www.russiadefence.net/t2598-r...military-deals
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t72b3.htm

Note some sources seem to indicate that it carries the same gun as the Russian upgraded version without again ATGW (Russians can launch them.) launch capabilities. I feel this makes more sense because the same repair facility given above in the ref. section did the Russian modernization that carried the same gun as indicated in the ADD section.

As a note Russia still operates these tanks and they have seen combat in the Ukraine but are not in the game. They first appeared in the Russian Army in 1985. They are like UNITS 035/or 036 as noted above w/o ATGW capabilities. Must have been a cost cutting measure. The trick here will be to find out other then the below refs, when the Russians first started modernizing these tanks if at all before it would appear around 2012. It would make sense that this is what Nicaragua received based on the below.
http://defense-update.com/20131106_t...eployment.html
http://tank.lviv.ua/en/productions/details/t72b1


Wasn't as easy as I hoped because of the Russian "Rabbit Hole" wasn't the first time and it won't be the last time. So much for the "softball"!?!

Tomorrow I am taking off, finally getting to see "ROGUE" with seats already reserved. Wish I had a piece of that pie!?!

Have a great day!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

shahadi January 23rd, 2017 12:38 AM

Re: MBT's
 
Any news on the Ukrainian T-Rex tank? I just don't recall seeing anything posted.

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DRG January 23rd, 2017 08:05 AM

Re: MBT's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 836749)
As a note Russia still operates these tanks and they have seen combat in the Ukraine but are not in the game. They first appeared in the Russian Army in 1985. They are like UNITS 035/or 036 as noted above w/o ATGW capabilities. Must have been a cost cutting measure. The trick here will be to find out other then the below refs, when the Russians first started modernizing these tanks if at all before it would appear around 2012. It would make sense that this is what Nicaragua received based on the below.
Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Thinking that is what we have in the game as unit 697 but w/o ATGM

FASTBOAT TOUGH January 23rd, 2017 08:07 AM

Re: MBT's
 
Don't know about claims it'll be better than the ARMATA however it could be better than the OPLOT-M which usually makes the lists of someone's "TOP 10" for tanks. They do have a very long history of designing and building tanks and have made huge strides over the last few years in producing world class FCS's and other supporting electronics. The Ukraine has more recently also stepped up their game in areas of ordnance for their tanks and artillery. It's a time of transition for them pushed as it always is by conflict and military border pressures from "you know where". I still feel this area of conflict has to a degree "overshadowed" for now and the foreseeable future the Middle East. Here's what we have with the first reports coming out about a year ago...
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20160...army-new-tank/
http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/01/18/101786/
http://technics.pro/published-a-pate...an-tank-t-rex/
http://azov.co/en/special-use/59-tan...yam-t-rex.html
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...ttle-tank.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/janua..._12301171.html


Where the idea came from...
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-t...x-tank-factory

Selfie anyone?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ge-patrol.html

Time to lay back down, *&%#$~?! sinuses!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Note: Didn't pursue it that deep (T-72B1) as nothing came up in the search. As you know that's why I like to "type" my equipment (As I just did above) submissions to avoid rework and quickly identify those pieces of equipment when any changes are made to the "base" unit. Not blaming anyone here, just I'm sure that's how it, like many others got into the game a long time ago.

-PJC

luigim January 23rd, 2017 10:00 AM

Re: MBT's
 
In Ukraine Oob There are some tank variants that never entered service like base T84 (only ten units), perhaps with excessive armor values, 110 frontal arc, better than Abrams SEPv3 for a t80b variant! When this unit has only a Kontakt5 comparable armor effectiveness (maybe t80um comparable).

So I propose end date for T84 when Oplot-M enter service and decrease base non oplot T84 armor values to a more realistic value...

only Oplot-M is in active, in small number, service in Ukrainian Tank Forces.

Another error is T80B: it should be moved in reserve tanks.

Since the nineties Ukraine put in reserve all t72 and t80 variants for spare part delivery issues ( majority produced in Russia) and choose instead T64 that composes the core of Ukrainian Tank Forces, because it's entirely Ukrainian made. They have partially modernized It to Bulat standard, then produced very small quantities of T84 then modernized the same chassis to Oplot-M.

Ukrainian tank production is suffering: ageing of designers, tooling and workers. No mass capability production. They are even incapable of substituting their BMP2s, all destroyed in Donbass conflict.

For now TRex tank is only propaganda and a dreamy picture. They are concentrating in Oplot production, with a lot of difficulties due to an inadequate MIC, proof is the cancellation of Thailand order.


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