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DRG February 10th, 2012 01:18 AM

Re: MBT's
 
:doh:

Nah..... you wouldn't even make the top ten......although that EW line isn't anywhere near the SD line........:smirk:


:)

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 10th, 2012 02:45 AM

Re: MBT's
 
So let's tally up the score thus far over the last couple of weeks in this thread...
Me 0 :confused:
Suhiir 0 :confused:
And the winner is... EW with 2pts.!! :rolleyes:
Boy after 2011 I think we can all use a vacation! :cool:
If we can't laugh at ourselves once in a while, this just would
too much like a job, and I already have one of them!?! :happy:

Regards,
Pat

Suhiir February 10th, 2012 06:02 PM

Re: MBT's
 
Jobs?
That's a 4-letter word, didn't your mother tell you not to use those in polite company?
Wait...
Squids and Jarheads ... we're the ones our mothers warned us about ...

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 11th, 2012 03:47 AM

Re: MBT's
 
Suhiir,
AMEN TO THAT!!

Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 5th, 2012 06:06 PM

Re: MBT's
 
Well things have been a little quite "up on in here" as they say down here. Minor change to my postings to help me keep track of some of these issues that aren't on my active list for the Patch Post Thread.
Anyway first up, Ukrainian APS and ERA that drove my OPLOT PP for both Ukraine and Thailand (Yes this is a little bit of house cleaning too.). Also in Gallery section note Poland's use of these systems for ANDERS and ROSOMAK. Last marks the progression from the T-80UM to OPLOT/YATAGAN, A VERY GOOD REFERENCE POINT FOR THE TANKS COVERED.
http://fcct-microtek.com/c_zaslon.html
http://fcct-microtek.com/b_duplet.html
http://fcct-microtek.com/a_knife.html
http://defense-update.com/features/d...tive-armor.htm
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/T-80U.htm
FYI-SUBMITTED FOR PP 2011/2012 SUPPORT.


Well it's been covered already about Russia's military expansion and modernization program (Not to mention major increase in arms sales.), some months ago I reported that a decision was pending by the Army to commit to ether further development of the BLACK EAGLE or T-95 which I've been tracking for two years now and constitute my first two posts to this thread. Well the result will now be the ARMATA which has a very good chance to be Russia's first non-legacy tank in a very long time. It will keep the 152mm MG with improvements. As a side note the Russian tank gun manufacturer site I've posted here in the past, is now "forbidden" for me to access...Hmmm! Anyway Prototype by 2013 and expected fielding in 2015. This tank is still under a cloud of controversy with the Asst. Deputy Director questioning the cost vs procuring advanced LEOPARDS that are now available...hope he likes his new post in Siberia!?!
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/32525/
http://www.armyrecognition.com/febru...3_1702122.html
TRACK FOR LATER SUBMISSION IN THE PP.


Well they're making it sound like the T-90S is a new tank or something however, and while maintaining it's current designation (For now.), these are actually going to be RESET T-90S tanks to fill the void until the ARMATA joins the Army. Azerbaijan has committed to buying these tanks.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/octob...1_0210111.html
TRACK FOR LATER SUBMISSION IN THE PP.


Don picked up on this from an earlier post and was looking into the MG issue I raised. MIGHT be changed if justified. This is Romania's MBT.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/tr-85-mbt/
FYI


A part of the Russian arms deals mentioned. Algeria will get the
T-90C I have to verify the type against what they have already in the game.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...-turkmenistan/
VERIFY TYPE; POSSIBLE SUBMISSION TO PP.


Well if Europe doesn't want them others do...the LEOPARD PROBALY going to Indonesia.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...ces-criticism/
TRACK FOR LATER SUBMISSION IN THE PP


Tanzania getting the new TYPE-59G.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/decem...9g_271211.html
ADD IN NEXT PP.

WARRIOR upgrade program. I had a question about this and Don responded as it's covered in the game, I believe a new picture and ICON was needed however. I don't remember if this ref was a part of that question or just my poor "housekeeping" anyway it'll be gone in a minute.
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/...4df6d89509dbc9
FYI.


This is what happens to some tanks, in this case most to all of the Swiss LEOPARD tanks, they are being converted to the BPz 3 BUFFEL (BUFFALO) ARV and being sold to Canada. See contract section.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-canada-03208/
FYI.


Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 17th, 2012 03:17 AM

Re: MBT's
 
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Before I post this update concerning the the RESET upgraded T-90S, I must apologize to whdonnelly (Will) and some others, I was asked to provide any additional information I had concerning the SCIMITAR MKII, See Pg. 17 Posts #165 & #166, as these were RESET units with significant upgrades I said I would enter these on my next Patch Post. Unfortunately I will offer no other reasons except that I simply forgot to do it. However rest assured that it will be item one on the MBT list for the 2012/2013 campaign, this came up as a result of the next item. I do want to point out that I actually recieved a couple of PMs concerning my post on the SCIMITAR MKII as well, it's the only piece of equipment that I've said or have put on the PP lists for submission to generate that kind of interest, more for sentimental reasons I think. And why not it's better protected and has already saved lives, see the last two refs below. So again my apologies and here's some more info for you.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/unite..._pictures.html
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/29625/
http://www.armyrecognition.com/novem...2_0811112.html

Pic:
Attachment 11741 Attachment 11742

Attachment 11743

Alright now here's the update for the T-90S RESET it will apparently be faster with a modified new engine, have both a new FCS and ERA that was mt for the T-95, with other refinements as well. I think it safe to consider this MBT much like the new Turkish LEOPARD-2T (Or "NG" Next Generation by commercial name.) the final stepping stone for the Turks to the ALTAY and for the Russians to the ARMATA. We'll soon get a look at the T-90S RESET at the end of the month in India.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/33309/

DON'T DROP THE BALL ON THIS AGAIN!! For 2012/2013 Campaign.
:capt:

Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 18th, 2012 01:21 PM

Re: MBT's
 
First a little self incrimination; I had and knew this :pc: information already and even reported on it in an earlier post on pg.17 :doh: :banghead the "new" RESET T-90S is the T-90MS. Again the end notes are reminders to my self as I ready myself for the 2012/2013 campaign. This next site gives us our first real good look at the T-90MS as displayed last Sept. It'll be 1500kg heavier then current T-90 variants in the Russian Army bringing the weight up to 48 tons, the carousel loaded 40 round 125mm 2A46M-5 has been modified to the point it will have increased range, a new FCS, a "newer" modified version of the RELIKT ERA, APS, RWS MG with range to 1500m, improved weapons storage to increase crew survival and more you'll just have to read on it. What I want to see is whether or not any more modifications are made from this when shown in India at the end of the month. There have been rumors that a deal is in the making with India to upgrade their T-90S tanks to the MS standard, both sides deny this, and India wasn't happy with the way the Russians have treated them over the T-90S situation as I've posted on here earlier from the BROADSWORD site. And India is committed to the ARJUN and FMBT Programs as well plus the fact the Army's modernization program is reduced per the ref below last. Also this confirms for me this the bridge to the ARMATA.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi..._pictures.html
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120217/171360722.html
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2012/...air-force.html
TRACK AND ADD.


2. Russia to also make improvements to 170 T-72B MBTs to include a new ERA (RELIKT), FCS, COMMS and engine. They've modified a tank plant just for this purpose. I believe this more an upgrade then RESET program and yes there is a difference. I would look to the
T-90MS for the FCS and COMMS equipment.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...b_0903123.html
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120217/171360722.html
TRACK AND ADD.


3. Update on the Algerian tank deal; the T-90C is not in the OOB but they have the T-90S. So the T-90C (As posted earlier with a newer ref.) will be a...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/febru...a_1802122.html
TRACK AND ADD.


4. The Indonesian Govt. is starting to sound like the Indian Govt.
now; Is it the LEO or not (It is now, I think!)? The Dutch had the inside track but...Is it the Dutch or the German LEO's? Somebody please make up your mind, that felt good and here's the update.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...r_1003121.html
TRACK AND ADD.


5. Peru in pursuit of a newer and heavier MBT originally chose the Chinese MBT-2000 to fill the need, however, yes they changed their mind. They've decided after extensive tests between the LEO 2A6, OPLOT T-84, T-90S and MBT-2000, to go with the T-90S as it was felt it better suited the terrain and could afford to spend a little more. The T-90S will replace the Peruvian T-55 tanks which was considered for an upgrade, however their neighbors are going bigger and better..
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...u_1303124.html
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rica&Itemid=58
TRACK AND ADD.


6. And on those :censor: :eth T-72 tanks from the Ukraine, I've managed to identify the type as the T-72AG. The "when" is still a mystery. I'll keep at it.
TRACK AND ADD...SOMEDAY!

Well if I don't show any progress on my other hobby, I might find myself "IN THE DEEP DARKS" with CINCLANTHOME!?!

It's sooo good to know the 2012/2013 campaigh is already off to an early start for me!?! :rolleyes:

Enjoy your weekends!!!!!!

Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 18th, 2012 11:26 PM

Re: MBT's
 
My God already back checking data and this is a "zinger" but might save unnecessary work later ;). It seems we have a Russian cyrillic language issue, which indicates that the T-90S and T-90C are one in the same! Wait for it, it gets better the T-90S/C is also sometimes referred to as the T-90E as well on the net, though not "officially". And you wonder why some of us get frustrated out here dealing with this stuff. The following is representative of many I've found addressing this issue. It's also again a darn good site. See the Variant section second para. Go to a Russian site such as Army Guide that I use and you'll pull up the T-90C. Maybe one of our friends from St. Peters-burg can chime in and confirm this.
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/T-90S.htm

So no new tanks for Algeria just T-90S for NOW per OOB.

Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 26th, 2012 02:54 AM

Re: MBT's
 
IDF fielding a new defensive ATGW system. Sounds like a sense, point and shoot system such as the LEOPARD-2T, ARJUN MKII and other newer MBTs are getting equiped with and or upgraded too now. Will keep an eye on it.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...asia&Itemid=56

Did I mention the LEOPARD-2T and ALTAY above? They both look great in 6.0! The work seems to have paid off, GREAT JOB EVERYONE!!! What you thought I'd wait to Christmas!?! Get outta heerre! Good Night EVERYONE!

Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 27th, 2012 12:34 AM

Re: MBT's
 
Will/whdonnelly and PM others,
If you haven't already looked, check the UK OOB UNITS 635 & 636. You'll find Christmas came early, while I was browsing through a couple of OOBs, somebody fixed my missed "oops" and saved me some work. Don the SCMITAR MKII looks good all the way around. Thanks for the "pick up" on those units. As CINCLANTHOME would say, I can now "give your (my) brain a rest"!

Regards,
Pat


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