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		| Quitch said: Back in the day I was a big fan of Space Empires III, going so far as to create my own ship designs.  I played the game over and over loving every second of it.
 
 I haven't played a 4X game in a while, and coming back it seems that GC and SE are still top of the pile.  I heard good things about the AI of GC, but I know SE has AI mods and more to customise...
 
 That's just speaking from what little I know, but in my experience fans of both sides are better placed to put forward the pros and cons of their favoured game.  I know that both are waiting on a new version to come out, but I wanted to know what the pros and cons of each game are and was hoping people could guide me in my search for a new 4X game.  Sure, I could try them both, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has more games than time
   
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 Do any PBEM back in the SE3 days?  Ever hang out at the Borg Forums?
GC is not at all like SE.  Back during the Bata tests I found it to be more or less a snipe hunt with a limited AI and even more limited Bata testers.