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				 Re: Speed of Apache? 
 Thanks pat.
 Yes I looked at alot of those references - all very confusing as there is very little consensus an the speed - many quoting the Never Exceed speed as it's top speed.
 
 some are just flat wrong...   (the first table in your first post above for instance gives a top speed  of 411 km/h for the super cobra - this is higher than the world record  for a standard helicopter!)
 
 I guess we may never truely know the actual speeds... the closest to a concensus I can find is for the AH-64D of max = 297 or 293 km/h (99 or 98 in game terms).
 
 I guess what I am really asking is:
 a) can we get some consistancy in the OoBs - I know they were offten (at  least originally) written by different folks.
 b) Is the speed for the AH-64E a typo?
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