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Old September 19th, 2022, 02:13 AM
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Fallout Re: MBT's

I see it's been a while since I (Or anyone.) posted anything and these I've held for a bit as the dates will show. Both are important, at least to some of us anyway due to where we're talking about. And the Polish issue turned into a "cluster puck" as you'll see when you get to it. I think I got it sorted out!

Morocco:
I'm just going to make this easy though you'll see due to the request from them that the end of tanks as already posted is to occur in early/mid 2023. Depending on what we decide to give to Morocco. From the ref. my comments will be in bold.

"The Government of Morocco has requested to purchase enhancements to one hundred sixty-two (162) Abrams tanks procured through the Excess Defense Article (EDA) program to one of the following variants: M1A1 Situational Awareness (baseline version), M1A2M (If they get this tank it'll be the same one we built for Taiwan M1A2T and Poland M1A2P. (includes Commander’s Independent Thermal Viewer) or M1A1 U.S. Marine Corps version (includes Slew to Cue) (Well that'll be the FEP WITH armor adjustments due to DU REMOVAL.)."
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...r_m1a1_sa.html

As I had already reported concerning the Foreign Sales M1A2 SEP V2 as discussed above for Morocco, the only country to see them would be TAIWAN (By the refs at the time.) before games end and the following will further back that up from those refs and my thoughts on those tanks as well at the time.
TAIWAN has gotten their first M1A2T and has started training on it with their instructors per SOP.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...d_in_june.html
https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/st...04180509917185


The pictures look like that's POSSIBLY at the ABERDEEN test area.

Also scroll down on ref 2, there were already rumor's that the Ukrainians had already captured 1 or 2 of the Russian T-90M tanks. This is the first post I believe I've seen to actually show one they captured. And it looks right to me as a T-90M.

I wonder who else (Plural.) will be looking at this tank besides the Ukrainians!?!

Poland: Before anyone says anything; a decision was made to enter the M1A2P in the last patch as a "Hail Mary Pass" but as the above for Taiwan has now shown the production line is slated for their tanks while we continue to convert tanks to the M1A2C.

We only have one tank production facility that's been in that role since WWII. The article below is from 2013 but useful for this discussion. Remember COVID and the resulting supply chain issues have slowed production (It's expected to take about 2yrs (Already started.) to generally recover to Pre-pandemic levels depending on the weapons system.
https://www.cnet.com/culture/before-...s-abrams-tank/

I HIGHLY recommend that Polish CHANGE/UNIT 007/M1A2P/START/NOV 2023 VICE NOV 2022. //Another "Hail Mary" maybe.

Some I feel are still doubting me hear so from JANES I quote the following...
"The tanks are expected to be delivered to Poland by 2026 and will be deployed in eastern Poland to deter Russia."

"Polish Armaments Agency spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Krzysztof Płatek told Janes on 5 April that these 28 MBTs would be M1A2 SEPv2s and would not comprise the first batch of the contract. The tanks will be used by US Army personnel to train Polish crews while the first generation of Polish instructors is trained in the United States."
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...1a2-sepv3-mbts

Originally the plan was to train them on advanced M1A1 tanks which Poland would keep.

And it looks that's back on again because you must remember a couple of months back Poland signed a contract for the K2 and K9 from S. Korea. So stand by to go Huh!!
https://www.overtdefense.com/2022/01...s-procurement/
https://www.overtdefense.com/2022/08...-abrams-tanks/


This M1A1 modification falls about at the... "The modification is often referred to as M1A1 AIM v.2." Minus again DU ARMOR.

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Pat
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