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Old April 20th, 2022, 05:07 AM
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Fallout Re: MBT's

I'm going to start this by saying, we're all damned tired right now pressing these equipment issues well past the point where we normally would be enjoying the patch at least a month ago.

A war comes along and the "flood gates" opened up and the beautiful city of PATCH became underwater.

I'm going to unwrap this by first saying an error on my part in Post 1330 with a wrong UNIT# assigned for the T-72M1 as 401 VICE 402 started the ball rolling


The Dr. is in...

When mistakes like this happens, as you try to unravel it becomes a major distraction that affects one's perception on what follows.

The Dr is out.

I've corrected Post 1330 and reposted it below. The T-72M1 is corrected to UNIT 401. Now what was missed as discussed above was what I questioned following my error which unlike the original post, I will just highlight that part which I feel will demonstrate my original intent.

I had my doubts (T-72M), and I should've more forcefully expressed them. That's on me and Don knows this was the exception to what I normally would've done. I'm just really "any word you want" tired right now.

Let's get to it. I've "dug deeper" and found more.

"Poland has started shipping 100 T-72M1 UNIT 402/T-72M1R UNIT 032 (In the OOB as T-72M2/This UNIT is correct for the T-72M1R by date and capabilities. See Ref. 2 below. Recommend name changed as noted for the T-72M2. ) They are also getting the BWP-1 UNIT 065 (BMP-1)"

Something about the T-72M2 was familiar to me (I believe it goes back to my last submission that had a lot of T-72 related work done.) that made me think it being in the Polish OOB was wrong.

But upon reviewing UNIT 032 felt it was the right tank for the T-72M1R in capabilities and let's just rename it and be done to T-72M1R..

It is impossible for Poland to have the T-72M2.

That's because the T-72M2 started life as a joint Czech/Slovakia T-72M1 modernization program called the T-72M2.

The rest I'll let you read from my Ref. 1 (Too much for me to type right now.) ...
"In the early 1990s after the dissolution of the Czechoslovakia, various upgrade programs were developed both in Czech Republic and Slovakia to keep their fleets of T-72 MBTs operational and combat capable. First prototype of the T-72M2 Moderna was revealed in 1993. Development of this tank is completed . For a number of years this upgrade was actively proposed for Slovak Army as well as export customers. However, it received no production orders. Slovakia never ordered this tank due to funding problems. Only few prototypes were built for trials and evaluation."
https://www.military-today.com/tanks/t72m2_moderna.htm
https://www.armedconflicts.com/SVK-T...Moderna-t29016

And look to see who REALLY had one...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...mp-1_ifvs.html


The WASHOUT on T-72M2.
1. Didn't look and don't care about the BULGARIAN T-72M at this moment it would need further research to determine the extent of the modernization they made to their "T-72m2.

2. NOT in the CZECH OOB and that's good.

3. SLOVAKIA/DELETE/T-72M2 MODERNA/UNIT 271/PROTOTYPE ONLY/DELETE//

Now to the Polish T-72M1R ...

The modernization program for the T-72M1 to the T-72M1R was originally approved in 2011. However, the money got redirected to the T-91.

The T-72M1R modernization program was restarted in 2019 by BUMAR-ŁABĘDY S.A. facility. It should be apparent this is an ongoing modernization and in lieu of Poland getting the M1A2P, this means Poland has given the Ukraine newly modified T-72 tanks, the T-72M1R..

The refs, use the term "some of the upgrades are..."well that's all I needed the first time to simply rename the Polish never had it T-72M2 to the T-72M1R.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/mspo...n_display.html
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...ases-2545.html
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/20...ities-in-2022/
https://www.novinite.com/articles/21...+New+Sanctions


I hopefully have cleaned this up, ratified the situation and caused additional work (Which was not my intention
.) concerning Slovakia.

The following is due to the lack of sleep and my delusional state so, you know what's coming...

Now my is over and I better before Don gets with me.

I see it's 0500 back up in "5", hopefully CINCLANTHOME will let me have another "30"!!

Regards,
Pat
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