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Old August 31st, 2021, 05:09 PM

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I've read an article on A129 Mangusta development in Polish "Nowa Technika Wojskowa" 9/2015, and it shows, that Italian Mangustas shouldn't use Hellfire, and they should have 20 mm gun instead of 12.7mm.

Italian OOB34

505 A-129 Mangusta - only Mangusta CBT were integrated with Stinger, not early variant.

506 A-129 Mangusta - there were no Italian Mangustas with Hellfire, especially early variant. It was only proposed for export Mangusta International variant (confirmed at https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_AW129 )

507,510 A-129 CBT - there were no Hellfire armed Italian variants

508,509 A-129 CBT - it should have #179 20 mm M197 gun, not 12.7mm.
However, TI and RF values should remain on ordinary A-129 level, because there were no substantial changes in this field, mostly engines and armament (no TI, no laser RF). EW has been improved, FC could have been improved as well (newer software)

I'm not sure if 7 x 2x81 mm rockets is correct, since it carries two launchers with 7 rockets each (1 rocket for 1 HE?)

Hellfire-armed 507, 510 should be replaced with new A-129D Mangusta with 20 mm M197 gun and Spike-ER (I don't know how many - 4?), with all remaining stats based upon current A-129 CBT (TI 40, EW 7, FC 40, RF 14).
Modified helicopters were tested from 9/13, but I'm not sure when they became operational. According to https://zbiam.pl/12-tys-godzin-wlosk...-afganistanie/ they operated over Afghanistan since 11/2014

A-129 CBT with 8 TOW and 2x7 81mm rockets is also possible https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mangusta_EI.jpg

910 Agusta 129 EA-1 - there was no such Italian variant in 1997. Only export International was proposed wih 20 mm gun at that time. Italian A129 CBT was fitted with 20mm gun eventually, but appeared in 2002 (units 507-510). 51mm rockets are not listed as A129 armament - only 81 mm and 70 mm Hydra


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620-623 T-129 - basic T-129A were commissioned from 6/14, but armed with 20mm M179 Gattling and 70 mm rockets only (up to 4 x 19).

Only T-129B were meant to be armed with UMTAS AT-missiles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTAS) - no Hellfire or Tow used.
It can use also Cirit rockets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roketsan_Cirit and Stingers. They were to be delivered from late 2015, but I'm not sure if they have entered service already.

Name could be T129 ATAK https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUSA%C5%9E_T-129_Atak (it also confirms deliveries of the first one in 4/14)

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