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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH
I agree, they don't have them and never received them.
(20) 2S19 MSTA-S 152mmSelf-propelled gun (1998) 1999 (20)
(10) 2S5 152mm Self-propelled gun (1998) 1999 (10) Possibly ex-Russian
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I don't know, they definitely have 2S19:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/co...thiopian_2s19/
https://euro-sd.com/2020/03/news/168...nal-customers/
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According to military records, about 520 units are in service with the Russian Army and Marines, with more than 150 units stored in the depots of the Russian MoD. Several former Soviet republics also employ 2S19s, including Azerbaijan (18 units), Belarus (12) and Ukraine (35). The second major international user of 2S19 is Venezuela with 48 units, while the first MENA [Middle-East North Africa] operators are Morocco and Ethiopia.
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What I meant was the 2S5 152mm SPG; it looks to me that Russia loaned/sold a few 2S5 to Ethiopia to help Ethiopia start up a heavy 152mm SPH unit to gain organizational experience in operating them, and then replaced the 2S5 with 2S19 as refurbished/new units became available.
DRG, regarding for ETHIOPIA:
Doing some digging turned up this article:
https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Por..._Vol31_No1.pdf
Air Power Review: Nov-DEC 1979 in "The Soviet-Ethiopan Liason: Airlift and Beyond"
Basically, the Soviet Airlift to Ethiopia began on the night of 28 November 1977, and within 60 days of the airlift beginning, 50 flights were flown from Southern Russia to Ethiopia's Capital.
So you can use January 1978 as a "Start" point for much of the Soviet supplied gear.
REGARDING:
100 x BTR-40 in 1977-78 (still in service 1980, no longer by 1990-91 according to IISS Military Balance)
10 x ZSU-57-2 arrived 1977-78 (still in service 1980, no longer by 1990-91 according to IISS Military Balance)
I think by 1985 or 1988, the BTR-40 is out of service due to low maintenance standards, or it being so horribly obsolete that once the immediate threat of a Somalian war was over, they were retired in favor of BTR-152 or BTR-60.
As for the ZSU-57-2, same thing -- used during the immediate Somalia-Ethiopian war when they needed as many SP-AA vehicles as possible.
But immediately post-war, when they were looking at their SP AA park:
60 x ZSU-23-4 Shilka
10 x ZSU-57-2
They standardized on the Shilka as it had has much better fire control, making it more useful against fast jets.
And when they looked at using it the ZSU-57-2 as a ground support fire vehicle in direct fire against enemy strongholds....it was about the size of a T-54 (being built on a lightened version of the T-54 chassis)...why do that, when you can get 200 x T-54 or 200 x T-55 with a much more efficient and powerful 100mm gun, full armored enclosed turret etc?
REGARDING:
25 x PT-76 in 1977-78
35 x BMD-1 in 1977.
35 x ASU-57 in 1977.
SIPRI has them in their trade registers as being received by Ethiopia; but...IISS military balance 1979-1980 and 1981-82 doesn't show them on the rolls.
What I think happened is that shortly after the Ethiopian victory, all three of them were either:
Washed through illegal trades to other African Countries/Groups (likely for PT-76) through the Cubans.
Withdrawn to Soviet Union (Likely for BMD-1 or ASU-57)
I have my own strong suspicions that much of the Ethiopian T-62s (At least in the 1977-78 Ogaden war) were actually being operated by Cubans (who had the T-62 as well); since the Cubans also had many T-55 equipped tank-brigades in the area.