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Old October 3rd, 2020, 02:39 AM
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Fallout Re: MBT's

I turn back to the UK the CHALLENGER 2 and more as it pertains to the ongoing MOD Defense Review, which I now understand will be released in November.

The tank is under a lot of scrutiny it's too old which is true in that it hasn't seen a major upgrade since 1998.

The last one considered I thought I'd be submitting for this patch, until I've found no documentation it ever got "off the ground"...
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...lenger-2-tanks

So what's to be done or otherwise proposed? The following will fill you in. This tank I thought was going to get in the game within the next two years, with time lost over the political/military crisis and COVID-19 it's now at least 3 years out if at all, to FOC.
Here's the upgrade plan...
https://www.themilitarytimes.co.uk/h...m-bae-systems/
Last I heard, MOD was leaning toward the Smoothbore MG.

More Governmental concerns "all around" and the "considerations" after...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...fence-strategy
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53909087


What's the "big picture"? Well for the current and future land programs the following covers that.
This from the end of this past July. Which means the NET date I gave yesterday is NOT EVEN CLOSE I quote...
"The programme has experienced significant technical problems, with a current in-service date of 2024 (originally planned for 2017)" and the "beat goes on"...
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/27...e#.X3gNbhSSmUl

To contrast the above latest update I give you one from Jan 2020 prior to further Mechanical/Technical, COVID-19 and the current Defense Review. First with some quotes...
"...according to an MoD source. “The seventh Ares vehicle has entered the final stages of testing and will be delivered to the Household Cavalry Regiment in the coming months,” said the source."

That 7th one is the first to be delivered just this past week. The first 6 are "test beds".

Same MOD source...“No 40 mm turreted Ajax has yet been delivered to the army.” This goes back to the CT-40 gun issues and FCS problems they are having. I have to state the obvious but, of course the "test beds" (6 Units) have them.

The Numbers Game... "The first Ajax squadron is expected to require 20-25 Ajax family vehicles, including a mobility reconnaissance support, turreted reconnaissance, command, engineer, recovery, and repair variants before it can declare IOC."
A long way to go yet.

And finally..."An MoD spokesperson told Jane’s on 15 January, “our target for Ajax initial operating capability remains July 2020”.
Well someone "spiked" the tea, because "they sure as poop
missed that one. Hot or Cold, I never "spike" mine.

WASHOUT:
1) AJAX significantly delayed or possibly worse, cut.

2) AJAX ARES seems thus far not to be in danger yet. Program still in development with first unit having been received to military. Probably FOC I'd think around mid 2021.

3) BOXER on track no issues and w/BOXER CT-40 (German designed CT 40mm) could replace the WARRIOR CSP.

4) CHALLENGER 2 LEP upgrade on hold to start possibly in 2021 or possibly worse, cut.

5) WARRIOR CSP program is apparently on track and partially due to configuration difference between it and the AJAX, WARRIOR CSP has not seen as many problems with the 40mm. Issue could be cut in favor of the BOXER CT-40 or without replacement.

It isn't pretty but it's where we're at.

Almost forgot, there is some "supposition" on the web regarding the CHALLENGER question that the UK is negotiating or is about to with Germany and France to be part of the "EUROTANK" project. If so we'll hear about within a few months after the Defense Review results are known.

Regards'
Pat
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