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Old August 2nd, 2018, 05:50 PM

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Default Re: China OOB21 and OOB14 v.11

Armour etc

05 Vickers 6E - name should be "6-Ton" or "E" (or "E 6-Ton")

06 Type 94 Ho-Go - is "Ho-Go" name correct for Tk tankette in Chinese service?.. (same for OOB14)

017 PzKw Ia - according to German reports (in Panzertracts), they were unpacked only in June 1937 "due to insufficient organization" (now: 6/36).

58-61 Fortified House - photo isn't a house at all, closer is eg. 8884 from Italian OOB or 30233
(same for OOB14)

266 Armrd Truck - photo is unarmoured French Laffly, with portee 25mm AT gun in addition. Here is a photo of an armoured truck used in China http://www.warwheels.net/ArmoredTruc...provINDEX.html.
Better would be even Swedish 36906
Same for 272 Armrd Truck /Gn
(same for OOB14)

269 SdKfz 222 - available from 6/39. Apparently they were bought earlier, along with SdKfz 221 and Pz I (6/36 in the game). This wargaming book says 1937 https://books.google.pl/books?id=vHC...0china&f=false

271 Shanghai M.31, 272 Armrd Truck /Gn - they use too good Japanese Type 1 tank gun from early 1940s. I have no idea what gun they could have from 1930, but it should be something similar to Japanese #9 37mm Sogekiho or #13 37mm L36 Type94 at best)

289 MHarrington 4TA - "Reportedly China also ordered a quantity; it is not probable that any of these were delivered" (on non-existing anymore page http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Ma...gton/tank.html). The same says Polish article by T. Basarabowicz and this Russian article: http://tankfront.ru/allies/china/history.html.

I'll dare to refresh my earlier suggestions, to re-consider:
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Originally Posted by Pibwl View Post
There at the bottom are interesting twin-turret armoured cars:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/33033...ed+Car+in+WWII
(there's a perfect icon 2717).

There should be also added Citroen-Kegresse armoured car, of unknown model, used by Wu-Peifu warlord (since 1/30? for several years). I assume, that the armament was 37mm Puteaux gun or MG. Polish unit 663 wz.28 AC could serve as a direct pattern. It should look similar to the French car on the page http://derela.pl/wz28.htm - or photo 29505 or 29508 could serve.
There is also one mysterious, but nice-looking AC
http://s40.photobucket.com/user/nuyt...8enla.jpg.html

Aircraft

393 Curtiss Hawk 75M - used in combat from 8/38 [1/37], according to Polish article on Chinese air combat (in 1937 only a single demonstrator was delivered).
Better icon seems 847 (http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/p36/p36-3.gif) without that typical Republic wing (icon might be used, if we add P-43 Lancer)
Not listed as operational anymore in 1/44.

Some publications say, that armament was just four 7.62mm MGs, without 12.7mm MGs (typical for US ones). Three bombs doesn't seem probable (typically such aircraft carried two)

394 Nakajima Type 91 - first delivered only in 9/1934 (now 11/31)
They remained in use longer (now 6/37) - only in 7/37 they were taken over from Kwangsi aviation to central Chinese aviation - I guess until end of 1937 and arrival of Soviet aircraft at least.


396 Waco 240A - it was reportedly capable even of taking two 100 lb bombs - safely might be 2x50 lb or 4x50 lb (now it has 5x25 lb, which is very atypical number).
According to the book, they arrived only in 1/31 (now 1/30) - the earliest aircraft from 1/30 might be Breguet 14, copied from #427 level bomber.


397 Douglas O-2MC - might be copied with alternative heavier bomb load 2 x 120lb described in a book as used in action (Encyclopedia of Chinese aviation).

399,400 V-92C Corsair - MGs should be ordinary .30 or 7.7mm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_O2U_Corsair) (now .50).
In #400, single 110lb bomb is very atypical load - it could carry in action 2 x 120lb, as described in a book.

408, 410 I-16 Type 10/Type 24 - according to Polish article on fighters in China (http://www.magnum-x.pl/artykul/zanim...tajace-tygrysy - I have full paper issue), first there were used I-16 Type 5 with only 2 MGs (11/37 might be).
I-16 Type 10 with 4 MGs arrived only in spring of 1938, and
I-16 with 20mm guns (type 17 and 24) - only from late 1939 (8/39?) (now 11/37)
Chinese photo https://i.pinimg.com/736x/91/c9/69/9...054da73187.jpg

414 P-51 Mustang - (precisely, P-51D) Are there known any cases of Mustang carrying four bombs? It's better to change 4x250lb to 2x500 lb, which P-51 could carry.

418, 419 P-38 Lightning - in fact they were only reconnaissance unarmed Lockheed F-5s, according to A History of Chinese Aviation... (text previously attached)

428 Fiat Br.3 - It could also take a heavier variant of 6 x 250lb or 2 x 500lb bombs (confirmed in a book). They ceased to be operational by 6/37 (now 12/40)

433 B-25b Mitchell
- there were used only D,H,J models, operational not earlier, than 1943 (now 6/42) (I had previously attached text from the book)

436 Heinkel 111B-2 - a designation was He 111K (export version of 111A). Arrived already in 8/36 (now 7/37).

437 Lockheed Hudson - used not earlier, than from 8/42 [now 8/41]

450 Douglas DC-3 - precisely, C-47, used from 1942.

That's all for OOB21

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