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Old August 28th, 2020, 06:44 PM

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Default Re: French OOB06 (v.7)

To finish up my notes:

I'll try not to repeat myself, although some hints from the above are still actual, eg. for 01 AMC-35, 430 AMC-34 YR, sniper's photo, colonial armoured cars


96 T19 105mm HMC - photo is ordinary halftrack. US photo is 19018

197 Laffly 80 AM - icon is the same as Laffly 50 (contrary to some publications, it was a different new machine). I suggest to change it to 4820/21/22, possibly the closest from available ones (drawings: https://drawingdatabase.com/laffly-80-am/ )
Apart from a short period at a beginning, they were used only in colonies.

407 White AM - used until 1933-34 at least (now 12/32), then still used in colonies until 1941.
(according to http://www.chars-francais.net/2015/i...sk=view&id=685 and Russian Bronekollekcya book on French AC)

The icon should be in fact the same as unit 391 Laffly 50 AMD, with the same hull.
(however, icon 167, which currently Laffly 50 has, is not very good - https://drawingdatabase.com/laffly-50-am/ . A satisfactory effect at a low cost would be obtained with a modified icon 4814 of Lancia IZ, fitted with different turret).

BTW: thank you for many new great quality icons


203, 204 Laffly S20T AA, Citroen P19 AA - light SPAA guns in French army were unfortunately prototypes only. There is even no information in the bible "L'Automobile sous l'uniforme 1939-1940". Several photos and additional info are there: https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=81476 (Citroen P19 AA had twin AAMGs BTW). In 1940 there could exist few single experimental or improvised vehicles with twin 13.2mm or even single 25 mm, but positively not on a regular basis, especially from 1930.
I've found an information somewhere, that simple cars or trucks with 8mm MMGs were used, which is quite obvious (btw, there is nice photo of Peugeot with LMG http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=69262.0 )

There were also used twin 7.5mm MAC-31 AAMG in the French Army from mid-30s, probably on light trucks as well (there was a drawing of twin MAC-31 on Laffly S20 in a French magazine).


431 R-35 bis - I have never encountered such name for R-35 with SA38 gun. They are sometimes unoficially caled R-39. I suggest R-35 (SA38) or similar.
The weapon #13 37mm SA35 (L33) should be in fact named SA38, according to French Trackstory No.4 and https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotchkiss_H35 and other sources.

209 R-35 - the same as above - name could be R-35 SA38 or similar.
The photo has prominent short gun - could be 2164, like unit above - or eg.
http://www.chars-francais.net/2015/i...le%20blanc.jpg

336 Maison Fortifie - a photo of fortified house is eg. 8884


06, 176, 189 H-39/SA18 - H-39 with SA18 gun was a primary model, so it could be just H-39 (like 005 H-35). I suggest to rename late variant with a long gun H-39/SA38 or H-39 (SA38) instead.

08 Char B1 etc - Char in all names (D1, D2, B1, 2C) is redundant, meaning just "tank".

75 M3 Stuart - just FYI: photo is M3A3 with sloped arour, used from 1944 along with M5A1, while the French used also M3A1 in desert fighting: http://www.chars-francais.net/2015/i...m-3-a1-stuart]


There could be added:
75mm AA mle 1913 - 007 75mm De Dion from Polish OOB, used until 1940

Somua MCG heavy tractor - 344 from Greek oob. Used from early 30s.

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