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June 3rd, 2008, 11:47 AM
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Re: Killing blessed giants
In my experience barbarians tend to suffer too much from the long weapons used by giants - their low morale and protection results in a whole lot of repels. The theory of using high damage or armour bypassing attacks is certainly right though. Bear in mind that your own armour is largely irrelevant also, due to their high strength.
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June 3rd, 2008, 01:26 PM
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Re: Killing blessed giants
Na, I remember fighting Barbariens with Giants and it hurts.
You get 38.5 Barbariens for a Niefel Jarl and another 11.5 Barbariens for each Giant.
A good mix is about 1 Jarl with 3 Sidekicks, so this is 73 Barbariens - definitly an equall opponent on temperature-neutral ground.
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June 3rd, 2008, 05:01 PM
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Re: Killing blessed giants
You're Lanka. If you have a decent bless, you can field an awful lot of your own sacreds in response. Palankashas and Rakshasa Warriors are pretty tough in their own right, and are strong enough to push through Niefel armour with their own strength. And in the later game it's worth remembering that your guys can see through darkness while the other giants can't.
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June 3rd, 2008, 09:24 PM
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Re: Killing blessed giants
Alternatively, avoid them. Cloud Trapeze/Flying Raksharajas can probably take giant PD, seducers can grab undefended provinces with skelspam, and eventually kill even jarls with disintegrate. Use overwhelming force of mages to kill one army at a time, while raiding like crazy.
Honestly, After turn 35 or so, standards of the damned, drain life spells, hellbind hearts, disintegrates, and even life for a life, should mean that you can weather a pure giant army. 'Course, your opponent is reasearching too.
N9 W9 Palankashas work pretty well, too.
Caveat: I can't play this game. At all.
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June 5th, 2008, 09:09 AM
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Re: Killing blessed giants
Different nations have different counters to blessed giants. To name a few:
1. Undead spamming. Ermor, Ctis and other nations with strong access to death magic can field squads of skelli spammers. The skellies can serve both as meat shield and to fatigue the giants.
Once the giants are busy with the undead spam move to killer spells. Drain life for example or if access to other schools then frozen heart, incinerate to name a few.
2. Entangle, vine arrows, entangle, vine bows, bonds of fire, false fetters etc. Stop giants, lower defense, move melee troops for the kill.
3. Create your own SCs. Bane lords, Wraith lords, Angels, Troll king, Elemental royalty etc.
4. Astral, Blood and Nature allows for enslave mind, charm and the equivalent blood spell to take control of the giants. Add communion and MR penetrate items for extra potency
5. Avoid them. Use raiding tactics. Best results when access to sneaking troops/summons and/or flying troops/summons.
6. Never tried it but sounds fun. Horror mark the giants.
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June 6th, 2008, 08:19 AM
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Re: Killing blessed giants
I found out it depends a lot on the giants. Niefel giants fall easily to fire, so fire 9 bless T'ien Ch'i sacreds backed with Fire Demons can tear them down cost effectively. This doesn't work against fire resistant Hinnom and may not be that effectie against the Fomoré.
A death bless can also cripple giants as none of them has recuperation.
As Lanka, you should probably try to resort to thunderstrike and skeleton spam.
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June 6th, 2008, 07:03 PM
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Re: Killing blessed giants
Hinnom gets recruit-anywhere healers. That said, a D9B9 blessing for a nation with cheap sacreds would still make you an annoying punk. :/
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June 6th, 2008, 10:49 PM
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Re: Killing blessed giants
Quote:
LDiCesare said:
I found out it depends a lot on the giants. Niefel giants fall easily to fire, so fire 9 bless T'ien Ch'i sacreds backed with Fire Demons can tear them down cost effectively. This doesn't work against fire resistant Hinnom and may not be that effectie against the Fomoré.
A death bless can also cripple giants as none of them has recuperation.
As Lanka, you should probably try to resort to thunderstrike and skeleton spam.
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Hell no! Lanka should be able to get a F9W9N4 bless vs the giants X9N6. Under which 3Tigers take 2 giants.
And I like the River Demons as Tien Chi MUCH better than the fire ones.
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