The Daily Iraq errors report - Page 3

Marcello · #21 March 8th, 2008, 03:39 PM

In additio to the APCs listed previously Iraq uses also:

Panhard M3 since late 2004

http://www.defendamerica.mil/article.../a113004c.html

Up armored HMMWVs

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=48700
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?op...21&lang=arabic
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Armo...ed_HMMWVs.html

Marcello · #22 March 11th, 2008, 08:41 AM

Some of the old iraqi army EE-9 Cascavel have been refurbished and put back in use. Availability starting from january 2008 (I guess it could replace unit 603, the V150 armored car variant).

http://www.blackanthem.com/News/scit...les13820.shtml

Some BMP-1s, since 2005

http://www.defenselink.mil/home/feat...-02-Report.pdf

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...planned-01512/

http://www.armyrecognition.com/moyen...aq_news_06.jpg

Marcello · #23 March 11th, 2008, 09:20 AM

Now some units that should not be there, or at least be there with the availability dates they have.

Unit 46 Avenger
They have not it and certainly it hasn't been in the iraqi inventory since 2005. However given the nature of the system (american made, currently in service etc.) I cannot rule out that they may aquire it at some point in the future. I suggest a date change to 2010

Unit 215 M728 CEV
Same as above. They don't currently have it but I cannot rule out they might aquire it. I suggest the date being pushed forward to late 2008 or later.

Unit 301 BRDM-2b with TI sights
No such thing existed or was planned, although I understand it might have been a reasonable speculation back then.

Unit 333 Impr F/T APC
Flame tanks are so non PC these days it isn't even funny.
No such thing has ever been just only mentioned. I suggest it to be deleted.

Unit 381 M48A1 Chaparral
Never been supplied and unlikely to be. Unlike the Avenger it is also pretty much a dead system, especially by when the iraqi army will have started to worry about AD.

Unit 831 Vulcan AA Gun
Not there for now.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/multim...-Equipment.pdf
And various others sources.

EDIT
All the previous vehicles have 2005 as starting date.

Marcello · #24 March 12th, 2008, 05:28 AM

Continuing

Unit 361 M109A3 availability date 2005.
They might get them in the future, once they will have raised artillery units in 2009 but for the moment they aren't available to them.I suggest a date change to 2010.

Unit 371 HAWK III SAM availability date 2005.
Again they might get them in the future, once they will have raised AD units but for the moment they aren't available to them.I suggest a date change to 2010.

Unit 525 M113A3-106mm availability date 2005.
No such thing was ever done. For "Gun APCs" they have some
ZU-23s mounted on MT-LB. And some BMP-1 IFVs of course.

Unit 750 TOW Team availability date 2005
Unit 387 Stinger Team availability date 2005

These were never issued and chanches are that they might buy something else if my source is to be trusted.
I suppose that maybe in an emergency (say an iranian attack or something) they could have got some, after all it does not take as much time to learn to operate them as an heavy SAM or a tank.

Marcello · #25 March 14th, 2008, 07:33 PM

Units 950-951-952-953 F-16C available since 1 of 2005
Units 963 AH-1 Cobra/TOW available since 1 of 2005

This is what indeed they are likely going to get, especially the F-16s.
However timeframe is going to be 3/4 years from now at least, while in the game these units are available since
2005. For the present time they have been operating MI-17 with rocket pods for few months and some armed turboprops
are supposed to be delivered later in this year. Until then no fixed wing attack aircrafts will have been in service since the fall of Saddam

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...ircraft-03281/
http://www.special-operations-techno...cfm?DocID=2137
http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/109032
http://www.longwarjournal.org/oob/index.php

Unit 13 Type 69-QM (125mm) end date 4/2003
Unit 22 T-55QM (105mm) end date 12/2005
Unit 23 T-55QM2 (125mm) end date 4/2003
Unit 657 T-55QM (105mm) end date 12/2005

I recommend the final availability date of unit 22 to be restricted to 4 of 103, unit 657 to be deleted, and
units 13-22-23 to be given the X3 radio code.

These upgrades programs were one of the various military projects the iraqis had going back in the 80's.
As usual hard info is limited.
The only source for the 105mm upgrade is the
"T-55QM Iraq (had NATO-standard 105mm/L68 gun installed replacing the old 100mm gun,along with a French laser rangefinder)" tidbit which repeated by various sources on the web.
Of the 125mm upgrade I have a picture of what appears to be a Type 69 fitted with a 125mm gun taken at the Baghdad expo of 1989.
According to what I have been told the 125mm upgrade was problematic as supposedly it required a
purpose built autoloader, it retained the 100mm recoil brakes and various others issues.
It is very unlikely that it was put in production and it was never spotted afterwards.
The 105mm on the other hand posed no particular technical challenges. However logistically it was incompatible with the other army tanks.
I cannot rule out that a small series was made but again it was never spotted or referenced to as being produced or fielded.

Marcello · #26 March 16th, 2008, 08:24 AM

ZU-23 fitted MT-LB in iraqi army service, since 2005.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/News/...-2_Iraq_04.jpg

In addition the iraqis have been equipped with M1117/ASV (it could replace unit 912, V150 Commando)

http://www.armyrecognition.com/moyen...aq_news_02.jpg
http://www.iraqdevelopmentprogram.or...ews/new356.htm
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....576&highlight=

Unit 360 Al Faw-210.
As I noted previously a prototype of the Al Faw was made but it was a wheeled G6 lookalike. I suggest it to be deleted (no game scenario uses it AFAIK) or replaced with a more accurate version.

Marcello · #27 March 25th, 2008, 03:32 PM

Unit 355, M109, availability date 1975-1995

The iraqis did not aquire M109 in 1975.No such delivery is listed anywhere that I could find. They did however capture some M109A1 during the iran iraq war.

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/al_jaber...997QA_001.html
http://www.iran-e-azad.org/english/nla/fortystars0.html

While, as I noted previously, the iraqis had little use for iranian tanks the captured APCs and SPAs were quickly put in service.

Here is an unfortunate iraqi M109A1.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12bravo...7594073501593/

Marcello · #28 March 25th, 2008, 03:47 PM

Some random pictures of Type 69-II tanks in iraqi service.
As I noted in a previous post this tank was a workorse of the iraqi army. They were armed with D-10T rifled guns (or its chinese clone at any rate). No 100mm smoothbores or 105mm rifled guns.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12bravo...7594073501593/

http://www.armyrecognition.com/moyen...le_Tank_31.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/l...MST9111661.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/l...MST9111674.jpg

DRG · #29 March 30th, 2008, 01:17 PM

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ad.php?t=76897

specifically

http://64.40.99.49/Multimedia/pics/1...photo/1190.jpg

the photo under the caption............"captured Iraqi Army French built Crotale SAM and T-55 MBT "

any ides what that 8 wheeled vehicle on it's side is ?

Don

thatguy96 · #30 March 30th, 2008, 02:37 PM

Honestly looks more like a Roland SAM carrier of some sort. There were a number of truck mountings, but this one doesn't look familiar.

Something similar to the German FlaRakRad, just on a different chassis.

My copy of Jane's Weapon Systems 1986-87 lists Roland in Iraqi inventory, which I also realize is in the default OOB. Roland being French/German could easily have led to the confusion with Crotale.