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Old March 26th, 2015, 09:57 AM

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Default Finnish OOB mod 8.0

The usual warning: This mod is not authorized and although a great deal of care was taken to make it not, it may wreck your scenarios and saved games. Especially all PBEM games.

Talk about bad timing...

Long post ahead!

I've pretty much Finnished with the changes, additions, improvements and fixes for the Finnish OOB 8.0. The updated OOB is attached to this post, I'll try and fix the pick list as well but as there is no documentation available I've had to make an educated guess on how the pick list works. I was also working on description texts but as I saw the 9.0 update is coming I decided to release this without pick lists, icons and descriptions.

Here's the full change list for units, weapons and formations (changes in cost not listed for units as calculator does that automatically for us anyway):

Units

Units 5, 6: T-34 M41 & T-34 M42
Wpn1 HEAT Rds: 0 -> 5
Wpn1 HE Rds: 40 -> 35

Units had WW2 HEAT ammo available, although in small amounts. See gun changes.
(Source: jaegerplatoon website)


Unit 13: T-54-3 (T-54B)
Fire Control: 5 -> 3
Last Year Avail: 85 -> 71
Speed: 16 -> 17
Stabiliser: 2 -> 0
Vision: 20 -> 10

These were version T-54-3, not T-54B as previously assumed. Removed from service altogether in 1991, until that in close support role (see units 410, 411).
From 1972 on improbable that they would've been fielded (see additions).
Sources: http://panssarit.blogspot.fi/2012/09...-suomessa.html, Confirmed T-54-3, Model 1951: http://yhdistykset-akaa.fi/reservila...inaari2010.pdf

Unit 14: T-55AS
Last Year Avail: 92 -> 82

Ammunition upgrade in 1983 (presumed; Lot of friendly / nominally neutral countries got BM-8 in 1982-1984, exact year is unknown). See gun changes, additions for other weapon changes.

Unit 15: T-55MS
1st Month Avail: 2 -> 1
Fire Control: 20 -> 30
HEAT HF: 33 -> 20
HEAT HS: 11 -> 10
HEAT TF: 35 -> 23
HEAT TS: 16 -> 15
Steel HF: 28 -> 20
Steel HS: 9 -> 8
Steel TF: 33 -> 23
Steel TS: 16 -> 15
Weapon 1: 98 -> 142 (see weapon changes)

Ammunition upgrade in 1989: Mecar M1000 APFSDS. At the same time the Fire Control upgrade was to install a Bofors high-end ballistic computer, better than T-72 according to tankers. At FC: 30 the level matches Russian early 1980's levels and Swedish IKV 91, which used the same fire control system.
The armor upgrades were tested in a prototype but proved to be too heavy and cumbersome.

Unit 17: T-72M1S
Last Year Avail: 85 -> 86
Lift Cap: 13 -> 0
Vision: 30 -> 20

The night vision was really poor, FDF states that "active IR until 800 meters in good weather". The troops using this tank in simulation warfare always lost to modernized T-55MS. Vision 20 supposedly captures this better.
The ammunition for this unit was in use until Russia sold the more modern ammunition. It is uncertain whethre the currently specified ammunition was delivered at the same time as the tanks or if it was the older, 1968 round. Latter is used.

Unit 18: T-72M1S
1st Year Avail: 85 -> 87
Last Month Avail: 12 -> 6
Last Year Avail: 94 -> 107
Vision: 30 -> 20

The ammunition was accepted in 1987 and was the most modern ammunition in storage until the decommission of T-72M1S.

Unit 19: T-72M1S
Nation: 65 -> 0

Remove from OOB: no newer ammunition received from Russia.
Sources: http://yhdistykset-akaa.fi/reservilaiset/t-72.pdf (T-72 in Finland from 13.12.1984 to 28.12.2006)

Unit 21: Leopard 2A6S (Leopard 2A6FIN)
EW: 0 -> 4

Lacking smoke launchers from OOB. See also gun changes.
Ammunition upgrade: Finland bought in the end of 2006 new KE ammunition DM53A1 (DM53 upgraded to DM63 standard, for L44 and L55 guns).

Unit 23: Leopard 2A4S
1st Year Avail: 108 -> 107

See also gun changes.
Ammunition upgrade: Finland bought in the end of 2006 new KE ammunition DM53A1 (DM53 upgraded to DM63 standard, for L44 and L55 guns).

Unit 25: Leopard 2A5FIN (Leopard 2A5FIN)
Nation: 65 -> 0

No upgrade as 2A6s bought.

Unit 27: BMP-1 (BMP-1)
Graphic (Icon) ID: 1700 -> 3409
Last Year Avail: 91 -> 96

BMP-1 to BMP-1Ps upgrade was done between 1993 and 1996. In 1993 part of the BMP-1Ps vehicles were acquired from former DDR sources.
Delivered actually in 1982 but keeping 1981 for compatibility reasons.

Unit 28: BMP-1Ps (BMP-1)
1st Year Avail: 92 -> 93
Graphic (Icon) ID: 1703 -> 3409
Last Year Avail: 107 -> 103
Weapon 2: 64 -> 162
Wpn 2 Name: 7.62mm PKT CMG -> PstOhj 82
Wpn2 AP Rds: 0 -> 4
Wpn2 HE Rds: 120 -> 0
Weapon 3: 0 -> 64
Wpn3 HE Rds: 0 -> 120
Wpn 3 Name: -> 7.62mm PKT CMG

A Ps level upgrade: BMP-1Ps was able to fire AT-4/AT-5 missiles. AT-4/AT-5 removed completely from equipment in 2001 & 2003 (missiles expired).

Unit 29: BMP-1Ps
1st Year Avail: 94 -> 93
Last Year Avail: 104 -> 103

AT-4/AT-5 removed completely from equipment in 2003 (missiles expired).

Unit 31: BMP-2
Last Year Avail: 105 -> 101
Weapon 2: 166 -> 162
Wpn 2 Name: PstOhj 82M -> PstOhj 82

AT-4 version, available until missiles expired in 2001.

Unit 32: BMP-2
1st Year Avail: 105 -> 104
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 119

Modification to BMP-2MD ongoing, all upgraded in 2019.

Unit 33: BMP-2MD (BMP-2FIN)
1st Year Avail: 115 -> 116
Fire Control: 20 -> 25
HEAT HF: 9 -> 0
HEAT HR: 2 -> 0
HEAT HS: 8 -> 0
HEAT TF: 8 -> 0
HEAT Top: 1 -> 0
HEAT TR: 5 -> 0
HEAT TS: 6 -> 0
Range Finder: 12 -> 22
Steel HF: 6 -> 4
Steel HS: 5 -> 3
Steel TF: 5 -> 4
Steel TR: 3 -> 2
Steel TS: 4 -> 3
Vision: 40 -> 45

From 2016 on, new BMP-2MD that "takes it to CV90 levels in firing accuracy and night time capability." Includes 3rd gen TI systems but no armor upgrades (weight issue).

Unit 38: Bv 206 TOW
Weapon 1: 168 -> 169
Wpn 1 Name: Spike ER -> Spike MR

Spike ER limited to Coastal use, MR more common and practical in short shooting ranges inlands.

Unit 46: VK JuKo
Nation: 65 -> 0

VK JuKo was a prototype, never produced.

Unit 48: XA-180 PaSi
1st Month Avail: 8 -> 1
1st Year Avail: 84 -> 85
Last Year Avail: 85 -> 120
Weapon 1: 53 -> 0
Wpn1 HE Rds: 90 -> 0
Wpn 1 Name: 7.62 PKM AAMG ->

XA-180 came into service in Jan 1985 and was unarmed (UN variants had an AAMG). XA-180 is still in use and may be fielded without an AAMG.

Unit 49: XA-180 PaSi
1st Year Avail: 85 -> 91
Last Year Avail: 100 -> 120

NSVT AAMG versions came in 1991 when extra NSV AAMGs came from DDR stocks with T-72s. They were dedicated for vehicle protection then. (Name 12,7mm ITKK 96 NSV comes from the infantry use year)

Unit 52: XA-203 PaSi AT
Radio%: 90 -> 91
Speed: 31 -> 30
Swim Spd: 1 -> 0

Up-armored XA-203 (compared to XA-180/185) can not swim (and is a tiny bit slower) and XA-203 in AT role is rare.

Unit 54: AMV Patria APC
Fire Control: 5 -> 20
Range Finder: 8 -> 22
Stabiliser: 0 -> 5

The OWS platform is the same as in the AGL use.

Unit 64: KeS Team (Orak Team)

KeS (Kertasinko, Single use recoilless) is more appropriate a name than the warhead type (Orak).

Unit 66: Spike ER Team (Spike ER Team)
1st Year Avail: 108 -> 105

Spike ER was delivered early and training started early, already in 2005.

Unit 67: Apilas Team (Apilas Team)
Radio%: 80 -> 82
Speed: 4 -> 6

Apilas Team is the most common AT patrol for the era, so marked as common. Speed 4 is an understatement. Known as touhutorvi (activity bugle) it is known to be cumbersome to some extent but I don't think it's slower than other RPGs.

MBT-LAW Team (MBT-LAW Team)
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 114

MBT-LAW moves to replace APILAS after 2015, not so much in ATGM replacement role.

Unit 71: AT-4 Team (AT-4 Team)
1st Year Avail: 82 -> 85
Last Year Avail: 102 -> 101

Unit 72: AT-4 Team (AT-4 Team)
Last Year Avail: 102 -> 101

AT-4 was accepted for use in 1985. Missiles expired in 2001.

Unit 73: AT-5A Team (AT-5 Team)
Last Year Avail: 102 -> 103

Unit 74: AT-5A Team (AT-5 Team)
Last Year Avail: 102 -> 103

AT-5A expired in 2003.

Unit 75: I-TOW Team (I-TOW Team)
Last Year Avail: 88 -> 90

I-TOW was trained from 1990 onwards.

Unit 95: 30mm AAG (30mm AAG)
Range Finder: 3 -> 8

Used the same range finder as Unit 101.

Unit 98: 35mm AAG Radar (35mm AAG Radar)
Fire Control: 100 -> 110
Last Year Avail: 91 -> 87

Fire Control 100 + 10 as in non-radar version. Modernized by 1988.

Unit 99: 35mm AAG Radar (35mm AAG Radar)
1st Year Avail: 92 -> 88
Fire Control: 100 -> 120

Improved targeting computers, Fire Control 100 + 20 as in non-radar version. Modernized by 2003.

Unit 103: 57mm AAG Radar (57mm AAG Radar)
Fire Control: 100 -> 105
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 100
Range Finder: 8 -> 6
Vision: 15 -> 10

Fire Control, Vision, RF as in Russian unit 420. (Same equipment)

Unit 118: Jaeger Section (Jaeger Section)
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 114

Unit 119: Jaeger Section (Jaeger Section)
Crew: 8 -> 7
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 114

Unit 120: Jaeger Section (Jaeger Section)
Crew: 8 -> 7
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 114

Unit 121: Jaeger Section (Jaeger Section)
Crew: 8 -> 7
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 115

Unit 122: Jaeger Section (Jaeger Section)
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 116
Weapon 2: 14 -> 13
Wpn 2 Name: 7.62 LMG 62 -> 7.62mm PKM LMG

2015 change of paradigm (allowing some overlapping for equipped reservists). See new units.

Unit 150: 35mm AAG Radar (35mm AAG Radar)
Fire Control: 110 -> 125

Modernized version, new FC computers, thermal imaging.

Unit 156: 105mm Field Gun (105mm Field Gun)
Last Year Avail: 100 -> 97

Removed from service in 1997.

Unit 159: 122mm Field Gun (122mm Field Gun)
Radio%: 90 -> 91

This type was storaged but never taken into war time equipment lists.

Unit 170: 152mm Field Gun (152mm Field Gun)
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 107

Scrapped along with T-72 and other soviet era abundant equipment.

Unit 172: 155mm Field Gun (155mm Field Gun)
Radio%: 90 -> 92

More common than others, main field gun for spearhead units.

Unit 201: ITA Tuuli (ITA Tuuli)
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 113
Lift Cap: 25 -> 125

Scrapped in 2013. Lift cap should enable gun transports etc.

Unit 205: Igla Team (Igla Team)
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 115

Replaced with Stinger.

Unit 207: Bolide Team (RBS-70 SAM)
1st Year Avail: 104 -> 109
Weapon 1: 137 -> 138
Wpn 1 Name: RBS-70 Mk 2 -> ItO 2005 Bolide

Infantry use from 2009 onwards (trained). Only Bolide missiles.

Unit 208: Strela-3 Team (Strela Team)
Nation: 65 -> 0

Never taken into use.

Unit 210: Bolide SAM (Bolide SAM)
Nation: 65 -> 0

Removed from OOB.

Unit 282: Scouts (Scouts)
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 116

Unit 283: Scouts (Scouts)
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 116

Unit 284: Scouts (Scouts)
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 116

Ski Scouts (Ski Scouts)
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 116

Ski Scouts (Ski Scouts)
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 116

66 KeS Orak replacement 66 KeS 12.

Unit 307: PzJaeger Sec (PzJaeger Sec)
Last Month Avail: 1 -> 12
Last Year Avail: 83 -> 82

Unit 308: PzJaeger Sec (PzJaeger Sec)
Last Month Avail: 1 -> 12
Last Year Avail: 83 -> 82

Overlapping 1/1983 with the new unit, presumably an error.

Unit 309: PzJaeger Sec (PzJaeger Sec)
Crew: 6 -> 8
Last Month Avail: 1 -> 12
Last Year Avail: 87 -> 86
Wpn4 HE Rds: 12 -> 16

Date fix, more troops (PzJaeger section is 8 men + BMP crew). Hand grenade amount fixed.

Unit 310: PzJaeger Sec (PzJaeger Sec)
Crew: 6 -> 8
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 114

More troops, change of paradigm in 2015.

Unit 311: PzJaeger Sec (PzJaeger Sec)
Crew: 6 -> 8
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 114
Weapon 4: 18 -> 121
Wpn4 AP Rds: 3 -> 0
Wpn4 HE Rds: 0 -> 16
Wpn 4 Name: Apilas -> Hand Grenade

More crew, duplicate unit changed to differing weaponry.

Unit 318: SP-ZU-23M (SP-ZU-23M)
Fire Control: 100 -> 107

Same Fire Control (99 radar + 8) as for SP-ZU-23M.

Unit 321: Itpsv 90 AA (Itpsv 91 AA)
Fire Control: 100 -> 120
Range Finder: 8 -> 22

Fire Control for radar adjustment. Name change and range finder (laser range finder) added.

Unit 322: Itpsv 2015 AA (Itpsv 2010 AA)
1st Year Avail: 110 -> 116
HEAT HF: 0 -> 71
HEAT HR: 0 -> 15
HEAT HS: 0 -> 33
HEAT TF: 0 -> 6
HEAT Top: 0 -> 2
HEAT TR: 0 -> 2
HEAT TS: 0 -> 2
Load Cost: 41 -> 44
Range Finder: 12 -> 22
Steel HF: 19 -> 60
Steel HR: 5 -> 6
Steel HS: 8 -> 13
Survivability: 3 -> 5

ItPsv upgrade to Leopard 2A4 hull.

Unit 323: SP-ZU-23M2
Fire Control: 110 -> 115

Fire Control unification with non-SP version.

Unit 334: Nasu SP-Mortar
Wpn1 HE Rds: 40 -> 25

Stowage: 25 rounds.

Unit 335: XA361 AMV AMOS
Wpn1 AP Rds: 20 -> 8
Wpn1 HE Rds: 70 -> 16
Wpn2 AP Rds: 20 -> 8
Wpn2 HE Rds: 70 -> 16

24 rounds within the vehicle.

Unit 336: XA361 AMV STRIX
Wpn1 AP Rds: 10 -> 8
Wpn1 HE Rds: 35 -> 16
Wpn2 AP Rds: 10 -> 8
Wpn2 HE Rds: 35 -> 16

Unit 348: XA361 AMV AMOS
Wpn1 AP Rds: 20 -> 8
Wpn1 HE Rds: 70 -> 16
Wpn2 AP Rds: 20 -> 8
Wpn2 HE Rds: 70 -> 16

Unit 349: NASAMS II
Vision: 0 -> 40

Equipped with thermal imaging.

Unit 351: ITO05 Unimog
EW: 6 -> 7
Fire Control: 105 -> 125
Range Finder: 0 -> 22
Weapon 2: 0 -> 138
Wpn 2 Name: -> ItO 2005 Bolide
Wpn2 HE Rds: 0 -> 4

EW slightly underrated for a modern missile. LRF missing and Fire Control values quite low. The system consists of a vehicle mounted firing system (8 missiles) and an infantry system (4 missiles), which I chose to represent as two separate weapons in the system. Another option would be to include a Inf-SAM unit and add carry capability.

Unit 352: Bandvagn Bolide (Bandvagn RBS-70)
1st Year Avail: 104 -> 107
Range Finder: 0 -> 14
Weapon 1: 137 -> 138
Wpn 1 Name: RBS-70 Mk 2 -> ItO 2005 Bolide

Bolide missile came to infantry use in 2007, before this only in Unimogs. Range finder as in infantry use and RBS-70 Mk 2 is not used or owned by FDF, but capability to use (with current launcher tubes) exists.

Unit 354: T-54-3 KMT-5
Fire Control: 5 -> 3
Speed: 16 -> 17
Stabiliser: 2 -> 0
Vision: 20 -> 10

T-54-3, not T-54B. See Unit #13.

Unit 355: T-55A KMT-5
Weapon 1: 97 -> 98
Wpn 1 Name: 100mm D10TG 60 -> 100mm D10TG 79

Ammunition upgrade missing.

Unit 356: T-55M KMT-6
1st Month Avail: 2 -> 1
1st Year Avail: 88 -> 89
Fire Control: 20 -> 30
HEAT HF: 48 -> 40
HEAT HS: 11 -> 10
HEAT TF: 35 -> 23
HEAT TS: 16 -> 15
Speed: 17 -> 16
Steel HF: 29 -> 20
Steel HS: 9 -> 8
Steel TF: 33 -> 23
Steel TS: 16 -> 15
Weapon 1: 98 -> 142
Wpn 1 Name: 100mm D10TG 79 -> 100mm D10TG B89

Changes as in T-55MS. Ammo available from 1989 on.

Unit 357: T-72M1 KMT-6 M2
Last Month Avail: 12 -> 6
Last Year Avail: 120 -> 107

T-72M1 scrapped including mine plowers. Before the FDF said that all T-72s and T-55s except for mine plowers/rollers will be scrapped, but only T-55 versions kept.

Unit 361: T-55M/BTU Dozer
1st Year Avail: 88 -> 89
Fire Control: 20 -> 30
Weapon 1: 98 -> 142
Wpn 1 Name: 100mm D10TG 79 -> 100mm D10TG B89

Changes as in T-55MS. Ammo available from 1989 on.
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