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Old March 12th, 2023, 04:37 PM
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Now info about self-propelled mortars in Ukrainian army

They snatched on the beginning of war 2x Hosta from Russians with tractors

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...2s34-2443.html

but haven't analogous vehicle so the went this way and created 2S17-2 Nona-SV which is BMP-1+2S9 Nona self-propelled 120-mm mortar tower

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries...ideo-6004.html

But that is short term solution for now improvisation during wartime for longer term they consider use of Polish RAK tower on Gvozdika chassis wich they have themself
https://en.defence-ua.com/industries..._are-5865.html

Sivalka MLRS is based on Grad-P and different chassis like HMMWV and pickups
https://en.defence-ua.com/industries...pecs-5968.html

Here about new usage upgrade of old DShK


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Old March 12th, 2023, 08:23 PM
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Guys....I hate to break it to you, but the Russians have added even MORE variants.
Take for instance the HMMWV.
Unarmored vs armored (2)
Unarmed vs 7.62 MMG vs 7.62 Gat vs 12.7mm HMG vs 12.7mm Gat vs 40mm AGL vs TOW ATGM (7)
No night vision vs typical night vision vs thermal (3)

So we have 2x7x3=42 variants on the simple HMMWV.

And these are just the probable not possible variants; i.e ground radar, forward observation, configured for passengers or cargo, ambulance, etc. etc. etc.

All OOBs are an exercise in "probable" vs "possible".
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Old March 14th, 2023, 06:36 PM
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New Russian innovation: MT-LB APC with 25mm naval gun 2M-3.
Saga with MT-LB-2M-3 continues now even in Russia they have serious question that this is a serious adequate AA vehicle if they have also simple MT-LB with ZU-23?

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...2m_3-6046.html
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Along with what will be the CHALLENGER 2 EXPORT the AS-90 has not been delivered yet. However, the 2nd Group of AS-90 crews has just completed training in the UK from Ukraine.

What is other noteworthy here is the article gives us the accelerated training timeframe for those crews at 2 months. The ref is sourced from UK Defence Ministry on Twitter.

"A group of Ukrainian military personnel arrived in the United Kingdom for training with AS-90 self-propelled howitzers in early February."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...70d67da&ei=363


A fair amount of the AS-90 are going to the Ukraine, because of this they'll need to replace these quickly to maintain their defense posture but, with what? One of the BEST in the world.
https://des.mod.uk/des-secures-arche...-british-army/
(These appear to be new build systems with FOC April 2024.)


On the "face of it" I would've dismissed this system BELOW out of hand, however, after reading it's CEP and Blast Radius data, I'm going to post it and see what happens. From the ref.

FOC/START MAR 2023.

"The Grim-2 operational-tactical missile system is being developed to target individual and group stationary targets at distances ranging from 50 to 280 km. The single-stage ballistic missiles warhead is designed with a mass of 480 kg. The payload can be configured as a unitary or cluster. The unitary configuration uses a fragmentation-high-explosive or penetrating fragmentation-high-explosive payload. The cluster payload is equipped with fragmentation-high-explosive sub-munitions. The missile's estimated impact area with a fragmentation-high-explosive payload is over 10,000 m², while a cluster charge covers 2-3 hectares. The missile, together with its 7.2-meter launch container, weighs 3.5 tons. The missile's onboard control system is inertial and comes with various navigation and guidance systems, such as radar-based and optoelectronic systems (Mine-In other words it's a precision guided weapon.) .

Multiple sources suggest that the 280 km range is a formal limitation for the export version of the missile. However, for its own army's requirements, the system's firing range could be increased to 450-500 km."

Someday soon say maybe they'll say "Goodbye" to that bridge at that extended range (Or without.).
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...an_troops.html
http://www.military-today.com/missil...ic_missile.htm
(REPORTS, IT CARRIES 2 MISSILES.)


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Also this month the Ukraine has reactivated their KS 19 100mm AA systems. They are being used as Field Artillery and in the AT mode as well. They originally entered service in 1947.
"It has a maximum firing range of approximately 15 km and can reach targets flying at up to 10 km. The gun can fire up to 15 rounds per minute with a variety of ammunition types: high explosive, armor-piercing, and fragmentation rounds. “Effective against light armor and other ground targets,” is how the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency described the KS-19 in 1969."

It is unsure fully whether they'll be used in Combat or Training of Artillery personal.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...00mm_guns.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/russ...res_video.html


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in the game for about a week or so now and it has a greater range than 15km. Three sources, one armyrecognition gives 15,000 m vertical and 21,000 m horizontalwhich is 211 in the game
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Now because is not enaugh MT-LB such 2M-3 naval guns are mounted on ATG-59 Arty tractors

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Now because is not enaugh MT-LB such 2M-3 naval guns are mounted on ATG-59 Arty tractors
Funny how things work out. Looked into the ATG-59 and discovered the Egyptians have used them to build MLRS.......



.....which are now in the game........

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My mistake is called ATS-59

ATS-59 https://weaponsystems.net/system/1005-ATS-59



ATS-59G https://weaponsystems.net/system/1006-ATS-59G


AT-S https://weaponsystems.net/system/1004-AT-S was build earlier



Poland have also their own vehicle called D-350 Mazur was build in year 1960 to 1961 then Art tractors where unified amongs Warsaw Pact members and ATS-59G was build in Poland until 1989 but Mazur's which where alredy build where used by LWP until around 1985. Many around 218 in 1960 were sold to Czechoslovakia and know there as "Gomulkova pomsta" [Gomulka revenge]. Small number were given to North Vietnam army during Vietnam war and also used there during fights

Czechoslovak army photo


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https://www.reddit.com/r/tanks/comme..._it_shared_75/

http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_D-350_Mazur.pdf

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Yep-----It's the ATS-59G I built

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