Mod: Volcanus: LA Pale Ones (work in progress)

[Thanatus del Dragos]

EDIT: fixed a few things, had forgot to give pale ones only one eye...

I like Pale Ones, I understand that they are terribly flawed, but I got it in my head to create a nation of Pale Ones that would be more fun to play (more fun for me anyway). These Pale ones live in a hollowed out volcano that was once inhabited by Fire Giants. The Giants have all but died out. The Pale Ones have adapted since ancient times and are using heavier arms and armor than previous and take warfare much more seriously. They have also adapted to the heat of the volcano and are a heat 2 nation. They get a 20% production bonus at their forts, but their only powerful mage/priest unit is capital only.

If anyone has any suggestions or ideas, I'm all ears.

[Nikelaos]

I'm gonna be honest and I say I haven't even downloaded the mod yet, but heat 3 would be thematic as I imagine it's hotter inside a volcano than any desert, and there's no vanilla H3 nations other than abysia. I like the production bonus, as numbers makes up for the pale-ones notorious inability to hit anything.

also how are you intending to make them fit thematically with MA agartha, you either need to include the humans or give some story as to why the agarthans left them. Perhaps a civil war or some other schism in the agarthan society. It may be an idea to site this renegade splinter group of pale ones (volcanus) as the reason why in LA agartha all the pale ones are dead. That is offcourse, if you are not overwriting LA agartha with this nation.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

I'm having these Pale ones separate from the ones from Agartha after EA, leaving because they see their race dying in Agatha and the humans coming. I want them to be completely separate from Agartha at this point. Maybe even despise humans and especially those that have taken their old home. I could raise them to heat 3, I don't really have a good argument of having them be heat 2 over heat 3. Also, these Pale ones are a little better at hitting things, basically they are a ATT 9 instead of an 8, so not a lot better, but a bit better, and they have better weapons and armor. I need to write more descriptions to get a better "feel" of the nation.

[Nikelaos]

well you don't get much hotter than a volcano. So I think heat 3 would be more realistic there. Other ideas could include fire drake riders like la's earth drake riders and more barathus/rhuax pact type spells summoning larger quantities of units.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

I was thinking of a Fire Drake rider, but I'm afraid of trying to do the sprite, haha. I'm redoing a lot of the sprites I've made for this one already, my fire giant god is particularly horrible.

[Nikelaos]

just get a fire drake sprite, then put and infantry sprite on top of it. replace the pale ones legs with a deer tribe's right leg (it's forward and bent so it'll look more feasably like he's mounted).

Edit: oh yeah, and recolour the leg.

[Jack_Trowell]

Interesting idea.

I think that heat 3 might not be the best however: this is not about where the nation lives, it is about what the main population likes.

Abyssians come from fire elementals, and the original jotuns were so much in touch with cold that they were also more like elements themselves, and no nation without such a strong elemental theme should be with Cold/heat 3

Heat 1 could be enough, but heat 2 seems acceptable.

Note that with a base heat 2 dominion, summer will often go to heat 3 in some provinces with the "exessive heat" fatigue malus for most units.
(but if aghartans have fire resistance, even only a few %, they should be immune)

[Gregstrom]

IIRC you need at least 50% FR to be immune to fatigue from excessive heat.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

I did not know that Gregstorm, but I think just by dumb luck, I gave them 50% FR.

[Nikelaos]

Originally Posted by Jack_Trowell

I think that heat 3 might not be the best however: this is not about where the nation lives, it is about what the main population likes.

Abyssians come from fire elementals, and the original jotuns were so much in touch with cold that they were also more like elements themselves, and no nation without such a strong elemental theme should be with Cold/heat 3

My argument against the first statement is, why would they move house to a volcano when they don't like the heat?

That said I do find myself agreeing with you on the second point, you win, please come up to the podium to recieve your prize cookie.