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Old September 23rd, 2024, 01:21 AM
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Fallout Re: SP, MLRS and SPAA Developments

I went back into my files, so this next was from June this year and quite frankly don't remember if I posted it or not. But I was right in my assertion that the Ukraine did receive the 6X6 MAN truck version with the Skyranger 35. I believe they got them around the new year and a handful more since. (They did get them.)

Also, if this article is correct for the LEOPARD 2 (And not likely to be fielded due to a shortage of A4 tanks.) version carries 228 in the revolver which closely aligns with my last post which also does a better job of describing the AHEAD round. I still believe they should have a reload capability which I'll look into.

The turret allows for the optional installation of two Mistral or Stinger missiles. Ref. 2

Germany will field their BOXER with either latest Minstrel or modified Mells for the Skyranger 30/35 systems.

And finally with that ammo can you image what it'll do to light armor or especially dismounted troops?
"The Skyranger gun system is also effective against ground targets and can be used as a fire support weapon. It uses Frangible Amour-Piercing Discarding Sabot (FAPDS) rounds against ground targets. Range of effective fire is about 5 000 meters."
https://militaryleak.com/2020/08/15/...ircraft%20guns.


6x6 MAN truck version pictured at the bottom of the ref. 1
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...tem-in-ukraine
https://itc.ua/en/news/rheinmetall-p...tank-platform/


Why wait... from the following 2 refs. as follows:
"Ready to fire ammunition: 252x30mm, 1,000x7.62mm"
https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmet...yranger-30.pdf

And...
"Ready to fire ammunition: 252 rounds"
https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmet...yranger-35.pdf

Ready to fire is code for if we live through firing our initial loadout of ammo you can bet, we have plenty more. That even goes for Torpedoes!

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WIP

There are also fixed-ground versions of this system



And yes...... it would be nasty against ground targets. A Bradley on Steroids
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Ready to fire is code for if we live through firing our initial loadout of ammo you can bet, we have plenty more. That even goes for Torpedoes!

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At the rate of fire for this gun a one second burst would be 16 rounds so 250 rounds would last 16 bursts

There could easily be a burst fire round limiter that could be adjusted to only fire a preselected number with every press of the trigger which would be the way to go with something like that........ the MP5 SMG had that capability with a 3 shot bursts setting 40 years ago and it's a simple mechanical device

I fired one once. With the three shot burst set you don't miss
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What I meant was like a BRADLEY the 25mm duel fed gun has HE I believe Jake said on the left and DU on the right the gun will fire both at the same time, once ammo is expended the crew can reload again.

Also this is very important in fixing detection etc. ranges whether operating independently or tied in they all have Air-Ground AESA Radar. Think F-22, F-35 F-15 last model and F-15EX. Plus, some foreign ones as well. AESA is an over the horizon detection and targeting component more so of course in a jet.

As you can see from the land-based version there might be some limitation in reloading unless it's done automatically. That system is tied into the "SkyMaster" system. As I already had it, now below.

The vehicle mounted one's work both autonomously and can be tied (Or not. ) into "SkyMaster" if augmenting the defense of an airfield etc. etc.

Bottom line is the mobile units must be able to carry more ammo as has been suggested in couple of those articles.

Just makes sense like a BRADLEY etc.
https://www.twz.com/news-features/ol...nger-35-turret
https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/produ...defence-skynex


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Seemed like an 8-round burst in the video with 152 tungsten steel balls per shell.
https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmet...MD062-RWMS.pdf

Applied against infantry, soft and light armor it would be almost OK distantly similar to what the what the SHERIDAN Canister round did to the Viet Cong and as most vividly described in the book "BLACK HORSE RIDERS" by Philip Keith. A true story of a rescue mission to help an Infantry Company that "stumbled" on a North Vietnamese stronghold that outnumbered them by 6:1.

The canister round carried each 10,000-dart like flechettes it was used to clear a "road" through heavy underbrush and elephant grass etc. and of course as an anti-personal weapon. Have seen it in other books about Vietnam but this a single battle focused book that described the cannister shot as literally picking up soldiers off the ground and pinning (Dead) against the trees in some instances. The rest I leave to your imagination.

Also, as a side note the author provided information concerning both the SHERIDAN and M113 ACAV on the latter he mentions based on the experiences of the ARVN from 1962 on (They made modifications on them as well and he noted them.) so that when the USA modified theirs that by 1965 they all had been modified with "Belly Armor", .50 Cal with shielded turret (I remember this in game.) but also it carried 2 M-60s mounted internally with shields in the left and right rear of the unit (I don't remember this HOWEVER it's been a longtime since I played USA in that time period.)

Anyway, I'm done for tonight and back at it tomorrow.

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Seemed like an 8-round burst in the video with 152 tungsten steel balls per shell.
Well.... my test unit had a total ammo load of 32 so I would say that's dead on 8 rounds

Also. for those interested, I have test Kamakaze drone built using existing game code and weapons that is capable of taking out a hovering Helo or a ground unit or acting like a mobile IED which was not the original focus of my testing at all but I will take that as a bonus
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