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June 2nd, 2023, 08:50 AM
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Re: MBT's
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I tried a little experiment..... then got more creative 
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Here article about this towers of T-72 even with movie from Chinese TV from Mariupol.
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/warsp...ance-6887.html
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June 6th, 2023, 08:41 AM
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Re: MBT's
FORBES
As Tank Losses Top 2,000, Russia Is Deploying Museum-Grade T-72s From 1974
The latest Russian museum tank to roll into combat is the T-72 Ural
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A 1974-vintage T-72 Ural might look a lot like a T-72B3 from 2023. But on the inside, it’s a totally different—and much cruder—vehicle. One that’s only marginally better than a T-55, and actually inferior to many T-62 models.
It’s unclear how many Urals Uralvagonzavod produced, how many are in storage and how many of those are recoverable. There might be a thousand old Urals lying around, but it’s possible just a few hundred are intact after five decades of hot-cold, wet-dry cycles.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=681761506efc
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June 10th, 2023, 12:13 PM
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Re: MBT's
Well the first 'Western" equipment loses are in. If you don't want to read the whole article which has good info, just proceed to the last para. It seems the AMX question is now resolved.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...adley_ifvs.htm
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June 10th, 2023, 03:46 PM
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June 10th, 2023, 09:10 PM
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Re: MBT's
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June 10th, 2023, 09:12 PM
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Re: MBT's
And then this came out after the little debacle from the other day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la2q...p=wgIGCgQQAhgB
Take from it what you want or will...
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the orders come down from on high,
It's 'On Full Kits' and sound 'Board Ships,'
We're sending you where you can die." - cadence of the Line Marines (Jerry Pournelle)
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June 10th, 2023, 09:17 PM
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Re: MBT's
Nothing is invincible and an arty strike as described is re-creatable in the game
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An observation I read which makes a good point.
Note there are no arty impact craters near those vehicles
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the tracks hit show mines were the issue. and they have run over mines after the vehicles went through. so probably artillery delivered mines.
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EDIT
However, that does not explain the BMR-2 wreck........ so this may be the result of a combination of factors
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June 11th, 2023, 12:38 PM
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Re: MBT's
I agree nothing is invincible, but too many believe that Western military equipment is or is to the point that it would take similar equipment to take it out. That is because the MIC PR machines have done a fantastic job of selling things. Add in other video games that show tanks like the M1 as these unstoppable machines, and you get the point I am driving at. At least here on this forum, we deal with reason. In other places, yeah anything pointed out that explains why the stuff was destroyed/damaged, etc...and it's like WWF/WWE match.
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June 12th, 2023, 05:11 PM
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Re: MBT's
YOU WILL FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE BELOW LINK I POSTED IN MY LAST HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE WEBSITE. OBVOISLY, THEY FOUND SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT.
FALSE FLAG? THEY GIVE NO REASON UNLESS YOU CAN READ FRENCH WHEN YOU CLICK ON IT BELOW.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...adley_ifvs.htm
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Re: MBT's
If you google
first_48_hours_of_ukrainian_counter-offensive_see_unprecedented_loss_of_leopard_2a6_ta nks_bradley_ifvs
you will find the article
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