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Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
It has been reported as of late last night that the 350 million dollar weapons package we just sent has been already delivered d to the Ukraine. Some are "guessing" it was landed in Slovakia or Czech Republic and transported overland across the border in Ukraine. Most if not all from Europe has been going through Poland.
Supposedly, we used the other option to more rapidly expedite get those weapons in country due to Europe using Poland for the same and refugees (Now about 600K.) coming out of the Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
And in Sumy region fights stops. Brave Russian commander give his soldiers command to stop fight and move their vehicles back to Russia even if he know as said during negotiations he will face curt marital and probably death.
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Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
If True it's significant but there is a whiff of propaganda/maskirovka about it as it's only being reported there..........time will tell
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Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
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If True it's significant but there is a whiff of propaganda/maskirovka about it as it's only being reported there..........time will tell
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This is not a Black/white issue and it didn't just suddenly happen
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Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
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The quality of the equipment seems really sub par and " well used" . LINK |
The Russian troops that went into Belarus were largely drawn from the Far East IIRC - which have been not had priority for new kit and have had to make do with older stuff. Think I saw T-72As the other day... |
Makes sense if you want to ensure your troops don't have relatives in Ukraine....... |
I feel stupid, I knew of the troops, but for some reason I never made the connection of having as few "connections" with Ukraine as possible. Thanks.
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March 3rd, 2022, 08:10 AM
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Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
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This is not a Black/white issue and it didn't just suddenly happen
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I'm not saying anything most of you don't already know ( or should )
I think it is safe to say that in NATO countries NATO is seen strictly as a Defensive alliance designed solely to deter aggression against any one member. Any potential aggressor would know that the doctrine of mutual defence is (theoretically...) "carved in stone" and any attack on one is an attack on them all and ASSUMING those "leading" those NATO nations don't suddenly develop feet of clay an attack on a NATO member nation is not something to go into lightly.
OTOH NATO is not viewed the same in Russia. Warsaw pact was an ( obviously ) Russian "friendly" alliance and buffer between Russia and NATO
That buffer no longer exists and NATO has brought into the alliance former WP/ Soviet Union states that now directly border Russia and there had been rumours about bringing in Ukraine as well though I don't know how serious that was. It is a certainty that the previous Ukrainian President would never have entertained the idea but Zelenskyy looks west, not east and that complicates things
"Good fences make for good neighbours"..... if one neighbour moves the fence into what you consider your property that creates a problem
..........and now we have a problem. If Ukraine falls, then Russia will have a greatly expanded land border with the European Union which, of course, is the reverse of an EU /NATO Ukraine which the EU/ NATO will no doubt view as a serious threat that is little different from the one an EU /NATO Ukraine did the Russians.
"May you live in interesting times"
...it seems we are
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