Bug: Bug Thread: Discussion

[Zeldor]

It looks like forts created with spells have def at 0 on the turn they are constructed, as attacking them on same turn works like casting Crumble first - defense is at 0 + whatever you can repair.

[Lingchih]

Heh, good to know. I will now use that knowledge against you.

[Dimaz]

I already used it unintentionally against Zeldor, that's why he knows it

[Edi]

Originally Posted by Stavis_L

Unit 2070, the Sibyl of Hermon, a hero unit for Gath, does not have either healer abilities or fortunetelling ability, both of which she should have according to her description.

Known, been on the shortlist for months.

The fort bug probably needs to be added, I had no idea about that one.

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by Edi

Known, been on the shortlist for months.

The fort bug probably needs to be added, I had no idea about that one.

I don't really see that as a bug - more a mostly unknown facet.
If the defense increases the way forts usually do I think thats fine.

[Sajuuk]

In one of my MP game I give my tart cyclops a shroud of battle saint for the benefit of my high bless, and when he cast iron will on himself, the "blessed" status just gone, along with all the bonus. So I made some test:

It seems the "blessed" status(as well as sacred status and all blessed bonus) given by item like shroud of the battle saint(armor nbr 54) and armor of virtue(armor nbr 110)will be negated by multiple spells, like all mr increasing spell(resist magic, iron will, anti magic, army of lead)and some other spell, according to my test, spell like personal luck, phoenix power or weapon of sharpness will end "blessed" condition, while mist form, pheonix pyre or iron skin will not affect. It's just spell I tested, I believe there will be more spell that will negate it. Innately sacred creature will not be affected, though.

[Edi]

Originally Posted by Sajuuk

In one of my MP game I give my tart cyclops a shroud of battle saint for the benefit of my high bless, and when he cast iron will on himself, the "blessed" status just gone, along with all the bonus. So I made some test:

It seems the "blessed" status(as well as sacred status and all blessed bonus) given by item like shroud of the battle saint(armor nbr 54) and armor of virtue(armor nbr 110)will be negated by multiple spells, like all mr increasing spell(resist magic, iron will, anti magic, army of lead)and some other spell, according to my test, spell like personal luck, phoenix power or weapon of sharpness will end "blessed" condition, while mist form, pheonix pyre or iron skin will not affect. It's just spell I tested, I believe there will be more spell that will negate it. Innately sacred creature will not be affected, though.

Known issue.

It is tied up in the sacredness of a unit, so it seems that anything that affects an attribute that can in some way be gained from being blessed will negate the blessing from the shroud. This is probably because the spells in question needs must check for the presence of blessed status and then the stat increases etc must be factored according to that. Blessing requires being sacred in the normal mechanics, so when that is checked, the loaned bless from the shroud goes poof.

That's my hypothesis on how it works, but I obviously don't know for sure. Debug logs would help a lot in narrowing it down, you just need someone to decipher them and I'm not too good at that.

If you do have debug logs, this could be sent to Johan and he could check it out.

[Sajuuk]

It seems differ from creature to creature——test on blue-robed starspawns turns out that non of the spell listed above affect "blessed" status, unlike tarts.

[Edi]

Originally Posted by Sajuuk

It seems differ from creature to creature——test on blue-robed starspawns turns out that non of the spell listed above affect "blessed" status, unlike tarts.

Blessing can't raise MR beyond 18 and they have native 18 MR, so there is no effect or flag to overwrite from Iron Will, for example.

[Sajuuk]

Tartarian cyclops/titans have nature 18MR, and starspawn have 20, non of them should be benefit on blessing......

Beside, that does not explain why personal luck negate blessing on tarts but not on starspawns, and twisted fate does not negate both, yet air shield negate tarts' blessing