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Old June 19th, 2021, 11:24 AM
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MK V (WWI) tanks

Basically, nobody knows if they were captured from the British in WWI or from the Russians in the Russian Civil War.

If you wish to run scenarios for Berlin 1945 using these lone examples of WWI, armor; they're found in:

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Default Re: Berlin 1945...in a Mk V (Male)

Would make for an interesting scenario....Russian roll up these and are like WTF....
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Default Re: Berlin 1945...in a Mk V (Male)

Here is more in that subject

http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/MK_V/Mk_V.htm

http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/MK_V/Mk_V-2.html
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Default Re: Berlin 1945...in a Mk V (Male)

http://www.beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/MK_V/Mk_V.htm

Wiki says:
In 1945, Allied troops came across two badly damaged Mk V tanks in Berlin. Photographic evidence indicates that these were survivors of the Russian Civil War and had previously been displayed as a monument in Smolensk, Russia, before being brought to Berlin after the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941.[1] Accounts of their active involvement in the Battle of Berlin have not been verified.[2]

https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/...s-berlin-1945/

Mark Felton article (of course, he has doen the subject already!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElzZ7KZW9M0

And also from Wiki, more obsolete junk:
Vickers Mediums:
English Workman: the nickname given by the Russians to 15 (or 16) Vickers Medium Mk.IIs purchased in 1931. This variant had no cupola, less pronounced turret bevels, and cowled ventilation fans on the hull sides. About half a dozen were found without engines or guns by Finnish forces near Vitele in autumn 1941 during the Continuation War.

What exactly they were doing up there - who knows.
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What exactly they were doing up there - who knows.

I seem to recall they were dug in as pillboxes.

I suspect these were in Berlin as exhibits and after the Russian victory were dragged out and positioned for propaganda purposes. The chances they were in running condition in 1945 are about nil.... but who knows, stranger things have happened
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Default Re: Berlin 1945...in a Mk V (Male)

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What exactly they were doing up there - who knows.

I seem to recall they were dug in as pillboxes.

I suspect these were in Berlin as exhibits and after the Russian victory were dragged out and positioned for propaganda purposes. The chances they were in running condition in 1945 are about nil.... but who knows, stranger things have happened
The Russians also used four Mark Vs as pillboxes to defend Tallinn, Estonia in 1941.
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Default Re: Berlin 1945...in a Mk V (Male)

That info raises also other question how long Mk.V were in use in soviet Russia by red army after civil war and when they were put on monuments in Smolensk?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_V...tonian_service

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Approximately 70 Mark V tanks supplied by Great Britain to the White Russian Army and subsequently captured by the Red Army in the course of the Russian Civil War were used in 1921 during the Red Army invasion of Georgia and contributed to the Soviet victory in the battle for Tbilisi.[23] In the north, four Mark Vs had been delivered to White Russian forces in Archangelsk in 1919, and four to Tallinn, Estonia along with two Renault FTs.[6]

The last confirmed use of the Mk V in battle was by units of the Red Army during the defence of Tallinn against German forces in August 1941. The four Mk Vs previously operated by Estonia were used as dug-in fortifications. It is believed that they were subsequently scrapped.[24]
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In 1945, Allied troops came across two badly damaged Mk V tanks in Berlin. Photographic evidence indicates that these were survivors of the Russian Civil War and had previously been displayed as a monument in Smolensk, Russia, before being brought to Berlin after the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941.[1] Accounts of their active involvement in the Battle of Berlin have not been verified.[2]
Mark V Composite Tank in Luhansk
http://tank-photographs.s3-website-e...dite-tank.html

Kharkiv
http://tank-photographs.s3-website-e...k-Kharkiv.html

Kubianka
http://tank-photographs.s3-website-e...sian-tank.html

But here are interesting informations in article about surviving Mk.V in Arkhangelsk in North West Russia.

http://tank-photographs.s3-website-e...male-tank.html

from article is mentioned that this particular tank were still in use in 1930

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There is little information about the vehicle’s further fortune, but after the year of 1923, it was itemized in one of the units of Moscow military command.

On 1 May 1930, the crew of the tank No. 9303 took part in the parade on Red Square in Moscow. By that moment, it had been removed from service in Red Army troops like other Mk V vehicles, and after that, it was not used anymore
goes to military magazine meaby used as a training tank? and ...

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Pavlov, Head of the armoured and automotive department sent a proposal to Kliment Voroshilov, People’s Commissar of National Defense that 14 obsolete tanks should be sent to the cities of Smolensk, Rostov-on-Don, Kharkov, Leningrad, Kiev, Voroshilovgrad and Arkhangelsk to be used as historical monuments, and 1 tank was sent to Armoured vehicles research test site to be used as an exhibit.
so their final fate is ending 1939 when were set on monuments around
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On 20 September 1938 the Female Mark V tank No. 9303 was sent to Arkhangelsk and in summer 1939 it was set up on the city as a monument by an order dated 1938 by Marshal Voroshilovin and officially unveiled a year later.
and here article about their actual fate
http://www.landships.info/landships/...ng_Mark_V.html
and what happens with this two tanks before war in Donbas starts Tank Luhansk Oblast tank 2009 restoration.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war...k-v-tanks.html
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Default Re: Berlin 1945...in a Mk V (Male)

And here photo of this two tanks send to Smolensk in 1939 to be converted to monuments. In 1941 they were not put on them and is possible that they were still in working condition btw they were training tanks in 1930's Possible that that their engines were still runing because they were moving in Berlin 1945

An HT-26 at Smolensk in 1941.


source https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/categ...ther-vehicles/
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