OBAT37 - Czech army OOB updates/suggestions

[Marek_Tucan]

For the Designers (praise be upon them) to see, and judge of worthy/unworthy to bother with in the run-up to next version...

Czech Province Reconstruction Team that just deployed to A-stan (Loghar province) would is equipped with 20+ armoured M1114 HMMWVs.
http://zpravy.idnes.cz/foto.asp?r=zp...4_zpr_nato_inc
Vehicles are armed with either 30mm AGL or 12.7mm HMG (I think DShK but not for sure, will report) and 7.62mm MMG (interesting - it's going to be PKT, not the standard vz.59 GPMG). While the number is small, they're OTOH in an area where something is most likely to happen so adding them might be a good idea?

Czech Army is aslo planning a purchase of four (yes, you read correctly, whole four!!!) MRV patrol cars, most likely candidate is Dingo AFAIK but there's some mess around it.

Czech Army also received Swedish RBS-70 MkII Bolide SAM's.
http://www.army.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=7347

Pandur deal seems to have trouble, but it'd seem that they will be eventually bought, just with significantly less Pandur-based support vehicles.

Also, back to light combatants, our special forces in A-Stan used and use armed Land Rover patrol vehicles:
http://www.601skss.cz/archiv/lrd-sov.html
http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/...der-Armoured-3
Armament: Either DShK or AGS-17, plus pintle mounted PKB.

Land Rovers are used also in standard variants as utility cars etc. Both LR90 and 110, variants soft top, hard top and Station Wagon.
http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/...Rover-Defender

There is also locally developped armored variant but dunno whether in any use:
http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/...er-pancerovany

Last but not least, I'd suggest these two changes to existing units/weapons:

1) To my knowledge, Czechoslovakia never used ZPU-2 and ZPU-4 machinegun complets, instead vz.53 quad DShK was used:
http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/...53-ctyrkulomet
EDIT: Units: ZPU-2 086, ZPU-4 087, weapons: ZPU-2 055, ZPU-4 233

2) Same with ZU-23-2, Czechoslovakia used towed 30mm vz.53 AA twin of local production:
http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/...-53-30mm-PLDvK
http://www.pvo.webz.cz/pop53.htm
http://www.pvo.webz.cz/fot53.htm

Unit: 088, Weapon: 057

To my knowledge, Czechoslovakian ZU-23's are only used in Scenario 138: Consider Yourself a Hero.

Hope it helps and sorry for a long post flooded with links

EDITed for one misplaced link and unit/weapons number.

[DRG]

I'll put this on the list and have a look once I wade though all the other items.

Don

[DRG]

Pandur deal seems to have trouble, but it'd seem that they will be eventually bought, just with significantly less Pandur-based support vehicles.

So I assume then that the "2007" start date we put in a couple of years back was a touch optimistic? Perhasps 2010 might be better ?

Don

[Marek_Tucan]

The 2007 was the goal back then, then it shifted to first serial vehicles in March 2008, then last autumn it seemed the whole deal will get canned, nowadays the talks between Steyr and Czech govt are underway but I don't know the results except govt going in with demand to lower the order, these will end God-knows-when so I'd say 2010 is a good guess, as as far as I gather the manufacture is generally ready and just waiting for the word.

[Marek_Tucan]

Another new vehicle is being tested: IVECO LMV light armoured patrol vehicle, armed with 12.7mm RCWS, intended for special forces to Afghanistan. Probable DOI next year.

http://zpravy.idnes.cz/foto.asp?r=zp...0_zpr_nato_inc
http://www.janes.com/extracts/extrac.../jmvl9285.html

[thatguy96]

Hey Marek, I have some questions you might know the answer to. I got a copy of Jane's Armoured Personnel Carriers (1985) yesterday and in it there were pictures of OT-64s with AT-3 missiles. One was supposedly an OT-64C w/ 2 missiles flanking the turret, while the other was a standard non-turreted OT-64 type with two missile launcher rails) and apparently a four missile total capacity (2 ready and 2 stowed). The turreted arrangement was also said to be capable of being fitted to the OT-62. Do you know anything about these or what came of them?

[Marek_Tucan]

IIRC those are Polish variants, not used (or AFAIK tried) here, the only "non-standard" OT-64 variants here were unarmed (or AAMG-only armed) variant for peace missions (because the turret looked soooooo aggressive, y'know) and OT-93 or 93B, armed with a small turret from OT-62 and OT-65 FUG, with 7.62mm MG and in the B variant with T-21 recoilless, but OT-93 was never introduced to our army and just sold to IIRC Paraguay.

[thatguy96]

Alright, looking in the wrong OOB. Thanks for the response.

[Marek_Tucan]

Update: First 17 Pandur II wheeled IFVs were accepted into service today, first combat-ready unit should be active in early 2010.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Marek_Tucan

Update: First 17 Pandur II wheeled IFVs were accepted into service today, first combat-ready unit should be active in early 2010.

which matches pretty close to the 1/2010 date we have in the OOB now

Don