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Old January 23rd, 2021, 03:43 PM
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Poland after WW2 never has a big enough aircraft industry to build their own military fighters or bombers aircraft's but rather was an license builder for aircraft's and helicopters which Soviet Union consider esential but not the high-tech at the times and need them manufature somwhere but not delay manufacturing of more esential aircraft's. Except this license production in Poland were designed some jet trainers like in Czechoslovakia. We lost competition for Jet Trainer for whole Warsaw Pact which became Aero L-29 Delfin but Poland became only country in bloc which have their own trainer TS-11 Iskra.

There is also icon of of ill fated I-22 Iryda which were own equivalent of AlphaJet. And TS-16 Grot which was an supersonic trainer. Program closed by soviet commrades because propably only a trainer with some stirke cability but to close to manufacturing serious fighter-bombers.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit.../pzl-ts-16.htm




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Just FYI I am not interested in "what-if" projects or training aircraft for MBT so feel free to post it but I'm not interested for the master game unless they were actually used by active units
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Just d'like to add description what are WOT units and why the were created for game if you retain slots files are named correctly. In every txt file is the same text.
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Hope that this will be usefully I made a lot of new icons for aircrafts Su-17/20/22 to cover swep wings ability like in F-14 for attack with two different speeds. Yak-11 because is direct descadent of Yak piston fighters meaby used for training but also usefully as coin aircraft. Iryda,Bies,Grot mentioned earlier polish coin aircrafts. Whole familly of Yak-12& Wilga AOP so no more Cesna and Piper Cub capitalistic icons in Warsaw Pact country's. Orlik is also there modern polish light trainer and COIN atacker. When I repainted Alenia Aermacchi M-346 I found thatYak-130 is exactly the same aircraft with slight differences so he was also redone with corect camo's. And best is on the end Agricultural machinery pesant's aircraft's Kruk, Dromader & Belphengor to be used in forgoten wars as fly technicals. You may laught from this slow rural aircraft's but as I read they have secound darker usage than cropsdusting which is not covered by game. Agricultural aircraft were intended to be used as a doomsday devices in case of full total Word War. Simple in the same way like pesticites the can spray poisonous chemicals
and deadly plages from military labs. In Poland are rumor's that in 1970's M-15 Belphengor which was radiculus from economical point of view (jet cropduster) was build with this secound role in mind as [Ultima ratio regum]

I also add OOb with covers export of Polish (Mig) Lim to different coutry's. Usage of An-2 (which is also agricutural) in different fogotten wars from vietnam to Bosnia. As ersatz bomber
but also as simple Gunship. Here I also d'like to propose Po-2 with one gun as primitive gunship. I read many stories that during fight with post AK underground in Poland Po-2 was used to spot and attack them continosly so I supouse that this was typical usage in internal wars in Estern Europe and Asia especially against week oppostion and internal enemies of comunistic states. Propably this role meaby after 1960 was taken by An-2 proposed in this oob also as erzatz gunship. There is also M346 for Poland and Israel and Mi6 which I know was only in small number in Poland exactly 3 pices but will be nice to have hevy helicopter I found great photo of this helicopter. There is also TS-11 Iskra icons alredy in game which was a trainer but also basic coin attacker with different variants of weapons for Poland and India. Iryda iskra replacemnt which wasn't only prototype but in small number was in use in 90's in polish army and also orlik which is trainer but also small coin attacker in three variants, also all variants of Yak-12 AOP I know there is no space for this small aircrafts in rusian OOB but may fit to Red OOB to represets their evolution of utility aviation. Cropdusters if you found them usefully may find thir way to red or green OOB to represents this makeshift bombers used on small wars.


// Icon0191.shp - H
{19100, -1}, //8482 Su-17M2/20/22 wings in fast flight postion (silver)
{19101, -1}, //8483 Su-17M2/20/22 wings in slow flight postion (silver)
{19102, -1}, //8484 Su-17 soviet wings in fast flight postion (silver)
{19103, -1}, //8485 Su-17 soviet wings in fast flight postion (green-brown-sand camo)
{19104, -1}, //8486 Su-17M2 SEAD with Kh-25 soviet wings in slow flight postion with (green-brown-sand camo)
{19105, -1}, //8487 Su-17M2 SEAD with Kh-25 soviet wings in fast flight postion with (green-brown-sand camo)
{19106, -1}, //8488 Su-17M2 bombs soviet wings in fast flight postion (green-brown-sand camo)
{19107, -1}, //8489 Su-22 unguided rockets wings in slow flight postion (green-black-red brick camo)
{19108, -1}, //8490 Su-22 SEAD with Kh-25 rockets wings in fast flight postion with (green-black-red brick camo)
{19109, -1}, //8491 Su-22 bombs wings in slow flight postion (green-brown-red brick camo)
{19110, -1}, //8492 Su-22 SEAD with Kh-25 rockets bombs wings in fast flight postion (green-brown-red brick camo)
{19111, -1}, //8493 Su-22 SEAD with Kh-25 rockets wings in slow flight postion (green-brown-desert camo)
{19112, -1}, //8494 Su-22 with bombs wings in fast flight postion (green-brown-desert camo)
{19113, -1}, //8495 Su-22 Czechoslovakia with bombs wings in slow flight postion (green-brown camo)
{19114, -1}, //8496 Su-22 Czechoslovakia SEAD with Kh-25 rockets wings in slow flight postion (green-brown camo)
{19115, -1}, //8497 Su-22 Czechoslovakia SEAD with Kh-25 rockets wings in fast flight postion (green-brown camo)
{19116, -1}, //8498 Su-22 DDR with bombs wings in fast flight postion (green-brown-sand camo)
{19117, -1}, //8499 Su-22 Luftwaffe after german unification in slow flight postion (green-brown-sand camo)
{19118, -1}, //8500 Su-22 Poland after 2012 SEAD with Kh-25 rockets wings in slow flight postion (greay-blue-gray camo)
{19119, -1}, //8501 Su-22 Poland after 2012 with bombs wings in fast flight postion (greay-blue-gray camo)
{19120, -1}, //8502 Yak-11 (silver)
{19121, -1}, //8503 Yak-11 (green)
{19122, -1}, //8504 Yak-11 (desert)
{19123, -1}, //8505 Yak-11 (desert-brown)
{19124, -1}, //8506 Yak-11 Soviet (silver)
{19125, -1}, //8507 Yak-11 Soviet (green)
{19126, -1}, //8508 Yak-11 North-Korea (silver)
{19127, -1}, //8509 Yak-11 North-Korea improvised ground atack (green)
{19128, -1}, //8510 Yak-11 Polish (silver)
{19129, -1}, //8511 Yak-11 North-Vietnam (green)
{19130, -1}, //8512 Yak-11 China PRC (silver)
{19131, -1}, //8513 Yak-11 Czechoslovakia (silver)
{19132, -1}, //8514 Yak-11 Eastern Germany DDR (silver)
{19133, -1}, //8515 Yak-11 Austria (silver)
{19134, -1}, //8516 Yak-11 Algeria (desert)
{19135, -1}, //8517 Yak-11 Egypt (silver)
{19136, -1}, //8518 Yak-11 Egypt (desert-brown)
{19137, -1}, //8519 Yak-11 Yemen (desert-green)
{19138, -1}, //8520 PZL I-22 Iryda Polish (grey)
{19139, -1}, //8521 PZL I-22 Iryda Polish (grey-green-desert camo)
{19140, -1}, //8522 TS-8 Bies Polish (silver)
{19141, -1}, //8523 TS-8 Bies Indonesia (silver)
{19142, -1}, //8524 TS-16A Grot (polish x-plane from 60's hypersonic fighter-bomber)
{19143, -1}, //8525 TS-16B Grot (polish x-plane from 60's hypersonic trainer-fighter bomber)
{19144, -1}, //8526 LWD Junak (green)
{19145, -1}, //8527 Yak-10 soviet (green)
{19146, -1}, //8528 Yak-12 (green)
{19147, -1}, //8529 Yak-12 (desert)
{19148, -1}, //8530 Yak-12 (silver)
{19149, -1}, //8531 Yak-12 soviet (green)
{19150, -1}, //8532 Shenyang type 5 [licensed Yak-12] China PRC (green)
{19151, -1}, //8533 Yak-12A (silver)
{19152, -1}, //8534 Yak-12A (green)
{19153, -1}, //8535 Yak-12A (desert)
{19154, -1}, //8536 Yak-12M (green)
{19155, -1}, //8537 Yak-12M (desert)
{19156, -1}, //8538 Yak-12M (silver)
{19157, -1}, //8539 Yak-12M soviet (green)
{19158, -1}, //8540 PZL-101 Gawron (green)
{19159, -1}, //8541 PZL-101 Gawron (desert)
{19160, -1}, //8542 PZL-104 Wilga (green)
{19161, -1}, //8543 PZL-104 Wilga (desert)
{19162, -1}, //8544 PZL-104 Wilga (silver)
{19163, -1}, //8545 PZL-104 Wilga (green-white winter)
{19164, -1}, //8546 PZL-104 Wilga (green-dark green camo Polish)
{19165, -1}, //8547 PZL-104 Wilga (grey Polish)
{19166, -1}, //8548 PZL-104 Gelatik (jungle camo Indonesia license build)
{19167, -1}, //8549 PZL-104 Wilga (desert-green Egypt)
{19168, -1}, //8550 PZL-104 Wilga (grey-green Yugoslavia before civil war)
{19169, -1}, //8551 PZL-104 Wilga (green-dark brown-sand Republika Srpska Air Force of the fraction in Bosnian civil war)
{19170, -1}, //8552 PZL-104 Wilga (Hungary Peoples Republic)
{19171, -1}, //8553 PZL-104 Wilga (Polish Border Guard)
{19172, -1}, //8554 PZL-104 Wilga (Estonian)
{19173, -1}, //8555 PZL-104 Wilga (Latvian)
{19174, -1}, //8556 PZL-104 Wilga (Lithuanian)
{19175, -1}, //8557 PZL-104 Wilga (Moldova)
{19176, -1}, //8558 PZL-130 Orlik
{19177, -1}, //8559 PZL-130TB Orlik (Polish gray before 2012)
{19178, -1}, //8560 PZL-130TC Orlik (Polish gray after 2012)
{19179, -1}, //8561 PZL-130TC-2 Orlik (Polish gray-light gray)
{19180, -1}, //8562 Alenia Aermacchi M-346
{19181, -1}, //8563 Alenia Aermacchi M-346 (Italy)
{19182, -1}, //8564 Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Lavi (Israel)
{19183, -1}, //8565 Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Bielik (Poland)
{19184, -1}, //8566 Yak-130 (dark grey)
{19185, -1}, //8567 Yak-130 (green)
{19186, -1}, //8568 Yak-130 (desert)
{19187, -1}, //8569 Yak-130 (Rusian gray-blue-dark blue camo)
{19188, -1}, //8570 Yak-130 (Algerian desert-brown camo)
{19189, -1}, //8571 Yak-130 (Belorusian green-dark green-grey camo)
{19190, -1}, //8572 Yak-130 (Laos green-desert-bright green camo)
{19191, -1}, //8573 Yak-130 (Bangladesh grey-dark grey camo)
{19192, -1}, //8574 PZL-106 Kruk (agritractor livery)
{19193, -1}, //8575 PZL-106 Turbo Kruk (agritractor livery)
{19194, -1}, //8576 PZL M-18 Dromader (agritractor livery)
{19195, -1}, //8577 PZL M-18 Dromader (sand-brown-green Croatia ersatz bomber war in yougoslavia)
{19196, -1}, //8578 PZL M-15 Belphengor (agritractor green camo)
{19197, -1}, //8579 PZL-230 Skorpion (polish x-plane from 90's cheap small battle support plane)
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There are photos of Leopard 2PL on their first field deploy by army on Training Ground in Orzysz Feb 2021 in nice winter Camo. Is possible that this is actually an standard winter painting for all polish tanks.




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https://www.defence24.pl/leopardy-2p...w-orzyszu-foto
https://radioolsztyn.pl/leopardy-na-...ojowy/01555752


And here polish tanks from WW2 t-34 on Pomerania Wall 1945 and Topas 50's/60's use quite similar pattern so not so many changes since WW2

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All in now. The only change I made was to the unit class of the AT teams. Now UC212.
Just do like to mention that Javelin ver.F was today [17 June 2021] first time used by WOT on proving ground. Poland ordered FGM-148F JAVELIN in number of 180 launchers for WOT.

Here article and also photo of WOT soldiers with Javelin
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Just prepared new icon for Krab

But I must explain long story of AHS Krab self-propelled artillery

Firs polish government buy license for build AS-90 towers from UK in 1999 then "Huta Stalowa Wola" build UPG-NG chassis for that tower in 2001. UPG-NG is build on modified SUM-Kalina minelayer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPG_Kalina In 2001 first prototype was build and until 2011 three prototypes were build only. Around 2010 BAE Systems stop to build Gun barrels for AS90 so for next series 8 vehicles build in 2011 French Nexter 52 155mm guns were chosen. In 2014-2016 16 vehicles were build and barrels were again changed this time to Rhainmetal build on license in HSW. In 2015 because problems with UPG-NG chasis cracks. Chassis from South Korean K9 Thunder were chosen and since then full scale production starts with K9PL chassis build in Poland and that is now main version of Krab 155mmm. So as you see Krab is like a military Lego set tower from UK chasis domestic then from South Korea and gun British then French then German and Polish equipmment inside etc.

Early small scale production chassis UPG-NG Krab after 2016 this earlier variant chassis were scraped and towers put on K9 so became K9PL


K9PL Krab variant build after 2016 with Rheinmetal 155mm gun now main production variant of Krab



As for now OOB represent this small scale production UPG-NG and icon also
which only 16 were build. So I d'like propose after 2016 this new version K9PL Krab which is now build 72 vehicles and full contract is for 120
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Just on the beginning of this Year Leopard 2PL was introduced into units and start to be used. But Polish industry prepared new modernized variant called Leopard 2PLM1


here what is modernised according to this source https://thedeaddistrict.blogspot.com...e-leopard.html
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Additionally, the Leopard 2PL MI version includes: implementation PIX function, introduction function selection the last or first echo the laser range, introduction automatic system extinguishing fire fighting in compartment APU, Introduction system cold start to the engine without restart electronics devices, micro charging battery in battle tank during storage, electronics compartment active cooling, preparation electrical installation for identification Friend or Foe.
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ZU-23-2 AA guns

An issue of ZU-23-3 gun mutations is vague, because Polish Army doesn't bother to inform citizens which versions and with what sights they use, but for Wikipedia purpose I researched the subject from several articles in military press about sights development for these guns.

088 ZU-23-2 AA-Gun (basic Soviet variant FC=5) - Poland didn't buy a license to manufacture ZAP-23 opto-mechanical vector sights, only basic optical sights, so it might have had worse FC, than Soviet version (now all have 5). On the other hand, maybe ZU-23-2 guns with ZAP-23 sights should have better FC, than weak 5? (worse than WWII 37mm gun or 40mm Bofors, which have 10)..
Here's Bulgarian manufacturer's description: https://arconpartners.net/anti-aircr...-sight-zap-23/

I don't know however (and maybe nobody knows) how rich were versions sold to numerous African or Asian countries - while we can assume, that Warsaw Pact (except for Poland) had standard ZAP-23 sights, which is mentioned in Russian publications as standard equipment. Poland wanted to develop own sights instead - what took 20 years...


79 ZUR-23-2S Jod (Polish ZU-23 combined with Strela missiles and new sights GP-1R of 1988, FC=15) - vision should be 0 (15), just like basic ZU-23 (no night sights at all).

619 ZU-23-2E (improved AA gun with new CKE-1 sights of 2002, FC=20) - name should be ZU-23-2K in fact (E was a proposal with central battery fire control, while K have new individual collimator sights).
Now it has vision 40, while it should have 0 from the start, and 30 only from 2004 (CKE-1N sights with passive night vision). Vision 40 was obtained only in 2016 (CKE-1T sights with TI). These versions might be added.

Icon should be 1979 (ordinary ZU-23, without missiles)

BTW: thanks to CKE sights and new Polish APDS ammo, efficient range grew to 5500 m, but I don't know if it matters.


95 ZUR23-2KG Jodek (Polish ZU-23 with Grom missiles of 2002) - FC should be 20 (now 15), like unit 619 of the same year with the same family sights CKE-2 (it can engage targets flying 500 m/s, comparing to 300 m/s in case of ZAP-23).
Vision should be 0, and 30 only from 2004 (CKE-2N sights, as above)

169 ZUR23-2KG Jodek - it might represent version with more advanced CP-1 sights with laser RF, but it has no TI, only passive night channel (now: vision 40).
It was introduced in 2007 (or more safely: 2008) (now: 106).

I would suggest to improve FC to 25 (now 20) - CP-1 programmable sights are told to be big improvement, able to fight guided bombs and drones.
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SAMs and MANPADS


85 Aster 30 - well, seems that for 5 years we should already have Aster SAM... of course there aren't any and there are no such plans anymore.

611 Loara SP-SAM - with Crotale - pure fiction


201 Grom Team - basic version was delivered from 2002 according to newest publications (now 101).
Picture is Strela - photos are eg. https://wml.wat.edu.pl/index.php/his...rgrom-zkr.html , https://www.mesko.com.pl/zestawy-prz...wlotnicze.html

205 Grom Team - initial version, ending date should be extended at least until 2001 (see above), or rather until some 2005. Better name is Grom-I Team to differentiate from Grom. Picture is Strela

weapon #126 Grom-I SAM - kill statistisc should be the same as #127 Grom - there is no information, that the warhead changed (now they are like old Strela-2). On the other hand, it seems, that warhead size of both should be 4, not 5, like Igla and most MANPADS (it has 1.27 kg - French Mistral with warhead 5 has 2,95 kg).
Accuracy probably should be lower - homing head was basing upon Russian export (simpler) Igla, so it should probably be 118 at best (like basic Russian Igla), maybe even 110-115 (now 120).
In #127 Grom the homing head was much improved by the Polish and it is 130 (justified).

The weapon is also used by Georgia (the same issue with Strela picture, unit 351 Grom SAM)

There appeared recently new modern Piorun SAM - a development of Grom (formerly Grom-M), delivered from 2019. It is said, that accuracy and target detection have been much improved, to world's best level - although Grom has already accuracy 130, and I don't know if any MANPADS in the game is better than 130. Range was enhanced to 400-6500 m. The launcher is fitted with TI sights.


612 Poprad, 614 Zubr P - it is the same Poprad SAM system in fact, but 612 is prototype on Iveco truck, and 614 is final vehicle on ligtly armoured Zubr chassis, and it is the only one that should be taken into account - with Poprad name. However, icon 76 of 612 Poprad is better.
Two vehicles of trial series (on Zubr chassis) were tested by the Army in 2014, but series vehicled were commissioned only from 2018.
One vehicle should be armed with #126 Grom (not Grom-I), and another with Piorun SAM, first fired from 2020. There are 8 missiles carried.
There should be no machine gun, especially ancient DsHK.
It has TI head and laser RF. But it can't swim.
The launcher itself is not armoured, so maybe it should not have armour all around.
Size 3 would be more appropriate for mid-size truck (now 2) (same for unit 726 Zubr scout vehicle)


BTW, from 11/07 Indonesia uses a small number of Poprad systems with Grom missiles on unarmoured 6x6 Land Rover chassis, and ZUR23-2KG-I AA guns, also with Groms (Polish 169) - https://www.armyrecognition.com/indo...sh_poland.html

Polish export name is Kobra, reportedly they are named Aster in Indonesia, but I can't confirm it. As far as I know, only 8 vehicles were delivered in two batches by 2010.

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