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Old March 26th, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Default Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war

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APS can't work if APS isn't installed.

To this date, there is one (1) confirmed Russian tank with Hard-APS (aka projectiles hitting incoming munitions) destroyed (the lone T-80UM prototype).
There is a LOT of seemingly conflicting information and the installation or not of Arena is one of them

This is REPORTED TO BE a photo taken in Ukraine



The Arena tubes are clearly visible

This is also REPORTED TO BE a photo taken in Ukraine



That is early style Kontakt ERA

This article from 2017 https://informnapalm.org/en/russia-a...ainian-border/

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for use by the L/DPR

but it may very well be that there is a wider mix of new and old equipment than assumed but chances are it will be months ( at best ) that we know for sure ( Maybe)
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Default Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war

About conflicting information.

On the one side we have Ukraine and NATO reports of Russian losses in the 10-15k range in men, but from the Russian side you have an "official" report of 1,300 men in losses.

And then in the media (west and Ukrainian) you have images of tanks lost from 2-5 years ago, and nothing coming out of Russia.

Disinformation and propaganda on both sides.
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Default Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war

10-15K makes more sense than 1300 losses. the first number corresponds to 1.8-2.7 casualties/1000 troops/day. These are normal casualties for conventional operations of high intensity (even higher than that makes sense). The official number is basically a number vs. a very weak opponent, i.e. insurgents or similar type of enemy.

Ukrainian losses are probably on that range too (maybe slightly higher or slightly lower depending on how effective Russian firepower was). Note that losses from both sides can skyrocket if a major operational disaster happens (eg. supply trains breaking down or an encirclement).
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Default Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war

I am sure folks have read the Russian "official" reports.

"Russia - 1,351 dead and 3,825 wounded. ( 5176 totally looses for first month)
Ukraine - roughly 30,000, 14 thousand - dead, 16 thousand wounded."

And the Ukrainian and NATO reports.

"NATO estimates that, in total, 30,000 to 40,000 Russian troops have been killed, wounded or taken prisoner in Ukraine — an estimate based on the assumption that for every soldier killed, three are wounded, the official added."

So its like both sides are flipping the losses around and neither can be relied on. So it just seems to depend on who or which side you believe is telling the truth.

Most likely we wont know for years to come.
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So its like both sides are flipping the losses around and neither can be relied on. So it just seems to depend on who or which side you believe is telling the truth.

Most likely we wont know for years to come.
I will assume a lot of BS by both sides but IMHO the "truth" is probably (maybe) a bit closer to Ukrainian reports than Russians but by how much is unknown and I agree the whole truth will take years to know for sure ( we still don't know for sure what the WW2 casualties actually were ) but that said, 1,300 seems way too low given the amount of fighting and the lack of real progress

5176 vs 30,000 is a HUGE difference. If you halve what the Russians claim as the Ukraine estimate and double the Russian you end up with 10,000 - 15,000 either way, it's a lot on both sides

Has anyone seen a list of Ukraines reported combat casualties?
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Has anyone seen a list of Ukraines reported combat casualties?
Don't know if this guy has been mentioned - most people here is probably familiar with him, he does lists on (equipment) losses where there's some kind of photo or video confirming it - so not likely to be a list of all the losses. He seems to know his stuff though:

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop?re...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

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Default Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war

I did a tiny edit on that last post as the quote was wrong

I have seen a post similar made I think by Blazoes earlier on but we have multiple Ukraine related posts and it's difficult to check back but thanks for reposting it. I thought I had saved the link but I hadn't and yes for every vehicle there is confirmation

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

If you look at the first one that is reported to be a T-72B that shows what I thought was supposed to be the Arena launchers
but right now IDK for sure

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The one that is shown as
T-72A: (1, destroyed)

Looks like the one that was shown in that ATGM attack / drone sequence near what looked like a gas station ( the green-roofed buildings )in a small town


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lem3enNkbV0

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Debunking the myth of Russian 'cannon fodder' in Ukraine
One POV this ties in with the posted link above

The premise here is that old equipment DOES NOT make up the bulk of the losses
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Default Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war

FWIW here's a viddy by an apparently retired US major of British pedigree who served in Iraq as tank commander and Afghanistan as S-3 for his squadron and later as S-1 for a training unit. This is what he has to say about the use of edited footage about combat in Ukraine, including that now-famous ambush of a Russian armored column entering an urban area: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9pVEP0AzZ4&t=2s
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