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May 16th, 2022, 07:04 PM
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Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
I believe the following to be a very good appraisal of the situation and how Turkey will end up I believe supporting Finland and Sweden's applications to join NATO. I also like it's sourced from the Middle East; the perspective is valuable in that lest we forget, Turkey is a Islamic nation.
https://themedialine.org/top-stories...weden-finland/
Another perspective but first, Humeyra Pamuk co-author of the next is from Turkey and in Ankara for Reuters.
https://news.yahoo.com/nato-expects-...152511980.html
Well, what are we doing? The normal diplomatic stuff but materially a whole bunch of new advanced F-16 fighters. " Uncle Joe" is already laying the groundwork for this and you can expect bi-partisan support for it.
And yes, the F-35 is still off the table since Turkey bought and has since fielded the S-400 system.
This vote could happen possibly by the end of this week.
The Baltic Sea and the strategic Gotland, Fårö and Gotska Sandön Islands are the major issues for countries like Norway and Germany and by extension-the U.S. and others (Like Finland and Sweden).
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May 16th, 2022, 09:31 PM
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Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
I'm betting "The Transcarpathian Beavers." sounds better in Ukrainian......
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Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
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I'm betting "The Transcarpathian Beavers." sounds better in Ukrainian......
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Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
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I wouldn't bet big money on it going either way.
I only have a urethral understanding of what the Swedes or Finns may have done to annoy the Turks but thinking perhaps it involves the Kurds in some way but........ the bigger and more diverse an alliance gets, the more chance of internal conflict arising. We'll have to wait and see how this plays out.
The range of possibilities is wide
Not that long ago in the big scheme of things Russian, Great Britain and the United States were "allies" too.......
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Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
I believe the following is a fair assessment of the current situation in the Ukraine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...f89d655015bef6
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Re: International Defence Green and White Papers
I haven't posted anything on this story until I saw this one that supports some of what I've seen come out of the UK government sources. This is more about what is described in this article on what's going on " behind the lines" that I referred to above concerning the UK sources.
From the below as to the source of this article:
"Speaking with DW on Saturday, Nico Lange, a German lawmaker and chief of staff for the country's Federal Minister of Defense,"
Might be worth a look, the "dinner bell is ringing!!" 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...34a0fbf742799e
UPDATE:
After dinner the following is reported to support what was posted above Russian appointed administrators are being assassinated in Russian held territory for some time now.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...87eabbaaf484fe
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