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Old February 2nd, 2017, 02:08 PM

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Default Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys

As you can see, there is a frozen conflict going hot now in East Ukraine, so my interest for Russia and Ukraine OOBs is going up. The next patch IMHO should include these toys. ( I love this game and its OOB research)

1. Seems that Ukraine has developed a new ATGM to replace the old soviet ones. It is roughly comparable to Metis. This is KORSAR ATGM

http://www.army-technology.com/proje...issile-system/

http://www.military-today.com/missiles/korsar.htm

http://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/vooruzh...mpleks--korsar

2.But there isn't only this.

There is SKIF ATGM, roughly equivalent to Kornet.

http://www.luch.kiev.ua/en/productio...missile-system

http://www.military-today.com/missiles/skif.htm

http://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/vooruzh...-kompleks-skif

3. Ukraine has fielded 203mm Malka/Pion Heavy Artillery, the same unit Russia has in OOB, and in game there is only an older 203mm cold war era gun.

They need unit 807, 813 and 914 from Russian OOB

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/2s7_pion.htm

http://warforukraine.com/weapons/art...1-2s7pion.html

http://armamentresearch.com/ukrainia...ry-to-service/

https://twitter.com/raging545/status/766687835827175424

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8_Y9qmHFWQ

http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/4-janua...-pion/comments

4. In Ukraine OOB there is an error: Ukraine has destroyed with American assistance all its Tu-22M Backfire ( unit 541) bombers since 2002-2004, according to strategic force reduction treaties

http://www.nti.org/media/pdfs/ukrain...f?_=1317244859

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ine/tu-22m.htm

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/con...r-tu-7277.html

http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/tu-22m/tu-22m.htm Bottom of the page


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I made further web search and seems that Skif fires the same missile of Barrier ATGM, which equips new APCs BTR-3E1 and BTR-4, and the upgraded BMP-1M because Konkurs is Russian-made!

http://en.reporter-ua.ru/ukrainian-a...standards.html

http://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/vooruzh...kompleks-barer

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4339.html


From Jane’s International Defence Review April 2005:

"Both the Bar'Er vehicle-mounted anti-tank missile system and the Skif man-portable system use the new R-2 semi-automatic laser-beam guided missile. It weighs 61 kg, including its 9 kg tracking sight and two missile canisters. Skif, with its single-round remotely controlled tripod launcher, has a system weight of 56 kg, including its 8 kg operator's control station.

The R-2 missile is 1.27 m long and has a diameter of 130 mm. It weighs 16 kg and is packed into a 160 mm-diameter RK-2 canister to create a complete round weighing 26 kg. The missile has cruciform wings and small cruciform tail surfaces. The wings have a curved profile that allows them to the stored folded against the missile body while the round is in its canister.

The tandem-charge warhead is credited with a minimum penetration of 800 mm of rolled homogenous armour (RHA) when the latter is protected by explosive-reactive armour (ERA). Effective range is 100-5,000 m and time of flight to maximum range is 23 seconds."



And from Jane’s Missiles & Rockets June 2007:

"Skif is intended for use against stationary and moving armoured targets, and fixed targets such as small bunkers and weapon stores, or even against helicopters.

The remotely controlled version consists of a tripod; an azimuth and elevation training mechanism; an electro-optical module consisting of a sight and automatic target tracker; a missile housed in a transporting launching container; and a remote-control unit.

The launcher weighs 27 kg, while the combined sight and automatic-tracking device add a further 15 kg, and the remote-control unit and a 50 m connecting cable weigh 12 kg. The remote-control unit allows the operator to be positioned well away from the launcher, which improves survivability. When Skif was first shown in its original form two years ago, the remote-control unit could be located only 5 m from the launcher.

The system uses Luch Design Bureau's R-2 anti-tank missile. Folding wings and control surfaces allow the missile to be mounted in an RK-2 transporting-launching container. RK-2 is 129 cm long and 140 mm in diameter.

Two versions of Skif are being promoted a simpler and cheaper variant without a laser rangefinder or thermal imager and a more expensive system fitted with both."


Here some GOLD INTEL about Ukrainian MIC and Army

http://bintel.com.ua/en/article/opk1/

http://bintel.com.ua/en/article/opk2/

http://bintel.com.ua/en/article/opk3/

http://bintel.com.ua/en/article/opk4/

http://bintel.com.ua/en/article/opk5/

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This the Ukraine replacement for Invar and Reflex:

KOMBAT ATGM

http://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/vooruzh...kombat-i-konus

http://www.luch.kiev.ua/en/productio...guided-missile

http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/ARM/atgm/ammo.html
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Looks like war in Eastern Europe in Ukraine comes very close.

So Ukrainians starts to improve their military equipment as fast as possible here info about what they itroduced in last months.

They start to build new military transport airplanes and in December first new Antonow An-128 was ready and handed to airforce

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...d-in-kyiv.html

I especially look on video with Antonow looks like arrived many ordinary peoples.

Canadian special forces are already on Ukraine
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-pol...ine-media.html

Latvia and Estonia provide military help to Ukraine
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...-minister.html
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...o-ukraine.html

Turkish Bayraktar Drones are already build on Ukraine
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...es-yermak.html

And British At weapon arrived also
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...m-britain.html

Here is also info that Ukraininians modernising already their fleet of T-64 with modern gear in famous Kharkiv armoured plant.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...-t64-tank.html

Czech Republic also
sold Ukraine modernised BMP-1 and in 2020 New 152 mm Dana-M2 the same which are now itroduced to Polish army after modernisation from older variants.

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Poland will send MANPAD's to Ukraine in Febuary 2022
propably new incarnation of "Igla" called "Piorun" and also 60mm mortars from polish arsenal.

https://kyivindependent.com/national...nsive-weapons/
https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...es-to-ukraine/
https://zbiam.pl/mozdzierze-bezzalog...n-dla-ukrainy/

What is intresting Polish MANPAD "Grom" were already on ukraine in 2014 in hands of... Separatist in Donbas who obtain them via Russia from som numbers captured from Gorgian Army in 2008
https://armamentresearch.com/polish-...ts-in-ukraine/
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Here is a portal with military news from Ukrane
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-defense

we can read there that they recived Stinger MANPAD's from Lithuania https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...lithuania.html

MANPADs, drones, granade lanucher's & mortars from Poland
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...o-ukraine.html

AIRBUS H125
from France for border guard
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...om-france.html
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I've got a problem with formation #209 (Light APC MGs) when selecting 12.7mm NSV. Three squads of four men each will not fit into BPM or some more modern BTR either. Should probably have just two machine gun squads per vehicle?

Formation #066 has the same problem, I think.

ed. also #067

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Thanks. I'll look into it. For now, only use the MT-LB for the HMGs in both

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That has been like that from day 1 I think but strangely enough, both formations are the same in the Russian and Ukrainian OOB but the Ukrainian OOB draws from a different MG Unitclss and that MG Unitclss has a HMG and the Russian one only MMG

I will sort this out and get it fixed
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Another weird thing is that I cannot select APC for machine guns when using formation #099 BMP Bn Spt Co B (see screenshot).

Same problem occurs with formation #103 BTR Bn Spt Co B.
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I suspect I know why and it will be fixed

Any particular year? I will assume right now

This is what happens when an OOB that nobody has any interest in suddenly everyone's interested in

One issue ---there is no formation 103 and 102 does not have the same APC class as #99
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