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Old July 22nd, 2022, 12:45 PM
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That's my thinking as well. I just couldn't remember if we had gotten to the K2 in the same way we reached agreement on the M1A2C in modeling both the M1A2T (Taiwan) and M1A2P (Poland) which for those that don't know are in the game.

When the vacation goes back to reality at home, I'll check my MBT file as I believe one or two countries elsewhere are or are close to making a decision concerning the K2.

If so, I'll "crunch" some numbers. It'll still fall in between the K1 and K2.

Depending on the status of the K2 PIP I might "boost" the numbers in a higher % then what I'm thinking now w/o the K2 PIP in the equation.

My files with status of the other foreign sales(?) and the K2 PIP will determine if I proceed or not.

Otherwise, I'm sure we'll have a long wait in regard to Poland.

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Old July 24th, 2022, 03:54 AM
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Here some info from Ukrainian side that they will receive PT-91 Twardy in near future

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries...eive-3628.html

And here older article also from Ukrainian source about T-72M1 and T-72M1R which was revived from Poland in April.

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...ideo-2770.html
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Well, according to these two sites it sounds very much like the Ukraine has received within the last week an unspecified number of PT-91 Twardy tanks. The following taken is from ref. 2 below.

"Last week, Jarosław Wolski reported that Poland had delivered PT-91 Twardy tanks to Ukraine. "We certainly won't send 230 Hard, or at least I haven't heard anything about it. On the other hand, we sent Twarde, in a significant number. The wagons reached the Ukrainians. But these are things that should simply come from the Ukrainians," he said."

Looks like Poland had originally asked the U.S. for 300 M1A1 tanks. They reduced that to 118 units due to maintenace and support costs.

So, there is our connection to the K2. Due the size of the deal as I've already posted this past week with South Korea, to my thinking this might "kill" or further delay beyond our time horizon the M1A2P.

We'll as ALREADY discussed just have to wait out the M1A2P outcome "one way or another" as to a final decision.

I had to use my translator (MS) for ref. 2.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html
https://kresy.pl/wydarzenia/rzecznik...91-na-ukraine/


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The world of international arms deals and such are murky and changing all the time.
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Is already official PT-91 Twardy is already on Ukraine their official site Ministry of defense:

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-re...s-from-poland/

https://defence24.com/polish-pt-91-t...ine-commentary

https://twitter.com/AndriyYermak/sta...-potrafia.html

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/st...-potrafia.html

https://mezha.media/en/2022/07/25/po...re-in-ukraine/

https://www-instalki-pl.translate.go..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Also about new ammo with longer radius for Ukr Krab's from ... Slovakia
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-...-155mm-rounds/
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This includes other things (not pure MBTs, but here we go)

Quote:
Polish shopping plans:

MBT's:

- 116 M1A1SA to be upgraded to M1A2SEPv3.

- 250 new built M1A2SEPv3.

- 180 K2 to be upgraded to K2PL.

- 820 K2PL produced in RoK and Poland.

- K3PL a future MBT developed in cooperation between Poland and Republic of Korea.

- T-72's, PT-91's and Leopard 2's will be completely withdrawn from service.

IFV's:

- 1000-1400 Borsuk IFV.

- Heavy IFV based on AS21 Redback, total numbers to be procured unknown at this moment.

155mm SPH's:

- 144 AHS Krab.

- 48 K9A1 to be upgraded in future to K9PL.

- 642 K9PL based on K9A2.

- Codevelopment between Poland and Republic of Korea for next generation 155mm SPH.

MLRS:

- Polish MoD is interested in K239 Chunmoo to supplement procurement of M142 HIMARS and WR-40 Langusta-2.

Above is taken from Damian Ratka whom is cited also in this recent Warzone article:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...s-k9-howitzers
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Some info about captured Russian tanks in Ukrainians hands

T-80BVM
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...0bvm-3696.html

T-80UK
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...tion-3580.html

Here Russia preparing older T-62M from reserves
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...rves-3033.html
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South Korean and Polish K2/K9 & FA-50 Trainer and Light Attack jets contract has been signed.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...0_fighter.html

No time for breakdown.

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Well after decades of asking and a lot of maybes from us, finally it looks as if TAIWAN is going to get their first American tanks in decades.

This is the first time a contract has been awarded and money given to support production Taiwanese tanks in in particular the M1A2T as we entered in the last patch (Along with the M1A2P). I now have more confidence in the START date but, as expressed contingent on the U.S. having to get the process going before the end of this Fiscal Year. That's now accomplished.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...or_taiwan.html


The recovery vehicle aside (Nongame issue.) they will receive both the M1070Al Heavy Equipment Transporter (HET) (As they don't have the transport capability to move those tanks.) and ammo resupply vehicles.
https://www.military-today.com/trucks/m1070a1.htm

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I don't believe is represented in the game. And neither is the fact that they donated their T-72A tanks to the Ukraine (Though they will be getting an as yet undisclosed Western tanks as replacements to equipment a full Battalion.) going to have a game impact. However, what caught my eye was the specific ammo loadout for the T-72A. Could be useful or fall into the category of "whatever" in either case here, you have it...

"The tank carries a total of 39 rounds, 12 are APFSDS-T, 21 HE-FRAG(FS), and the remaining six HEAT-FS. The additional rounds of ammunition are stowed in racks behind the turret basket and in indentations in the rear floor fuel cell and second forward right cell near the driver. " To the second "highlighted" portion of the above para, the rest of ammo stored on the fuel cell locations, are you kidding me!?!
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...ern_tanks.html

Well, I guess I should shower up before the dinner bell! After playing around yesterday in "the Sun and fun at work" at a comfortable ~112 w/heat index yeah, I'm literally "chillin' out" in the "man cave"!

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