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[CNCRaymond]

You da man! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[geoschmo]

240 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

I've got the perfect name and motto if you haven't picked one yet.

The SEIV Shipset Suppository.
We've got shipsets out the wazoo!

EDIT: And no website would be complete without a banner...

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1059570097.bmp

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ July 30, 2003, 14:03: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Stone Mill]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
240 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

I've got the perfect name and motto if you haven't picked one yet.

The SEIV Shipset Suppository.
We've got shipsets out the wazoo!

EDIT: And no website would be complete without a banner...

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1059570097.bmp

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL! Geo- dude, what did you have for breakfast? Something nutty? OR Froot Loopy?

BTW nice work tesco...

[ July 30, 2003, 15:13: Message edited by: Stone Mill ]

[tesco samoa]

Cool GEO... I will use that on the portal

[Fyron]

Are you going to have one big file that has all the sets available in one download too? That would be a great idea if you have the server space.

[tesco samoa]

i may have the space for it, but not the band width i only have 12 gigs a month..... but if not i know someone who will in a few weeks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[geoschmo]

What would that be, a half gig download? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[geoschmo]

How about burn CD's and mail them out to people for cost+postage. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Fyron]

If someone goes and downloads every ship set, they use the same amount of bandwidth. Having a compilation file just makes it more convenient for them. And I doubt that too many people would be downloading it each month. Certainly noone on dialup. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[tesco samoa]

yea i am upfor that... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

the full file zipped is about 112 megs 118,179,443 bytes)

The pain would be the updating of the full zip...

But it is a good idea

[ July 30, 2003, 19:21: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

[Fyron]

Yeah, that would suck. Make it a policy to do it once a month, not with every set uploaded. Keep a list of all the sets in the compilation available, so people can see what is in it before downloading. There is a program called TreePrint that works very well for listing the contents of a directory and such.

If it is only 112 MBs, that is not as big a problem as 500 MBs. Do you really think you will use 12 GB of bandwidth a month anyways? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Bah, editing the file size before my post is made. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ July 30, 2003, 19:22: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[DarkHorse]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
No llama's were harmed in anyway making the site.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Llamas have fins, for swimming.

[Loser]

o_O

[Fyron]

What llamas are you talking about?

[DarkHorse]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
What llamas are you talking about?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Monty Python's llamas http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[tesco samoa]

Hi everyone.

As trooper knows I have been building up one site to hold every known race. On Friday 240 ships will be available for download from one location. ( All zipped with no preview , do not have the space , to see the complete ship preview you will have to travel to the authors orginial site or SOTAS ) A SEIV Shipset mirror site is my goal.

This site will also be a image mod mirror and a mod mirror site for any mods that need hosted. Basically if its a file and its associated with seiv. Well its going to be there for downloading.
And for those who would like to toss some stuff up but do not have the website. Well thats available as well.

It is my way of saying thankyou to everyone.

Now the legal stuff.

If you see anything that is not correct with author names etc... please let me know asap.

If you do not wish for your work to be available for download please let me know and I will remove it asap.

No llama's were harmed in anyway making the site.

P.S. The link will be posted on Friday

P.P.S. It is a very basic site ( just tables and tables and links )

[ August 05, 2003, 15:10: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

[tesco samoa]

Well tonights the night.

It is done.

Very very simple site....

Here are some stats.

Overall size of the downloads section

244 MB in 758 files

8 pages

239 shipsets available for download.
21 mod files currently available ( more to be added )

This is a site in work... But the first release is complete.

There is another section as well.... but hey you can check it out when your there.

[tesco samoa]

P.S. It will be uploaded after i get home from work so in about 11 hours from this post

[Fyron]

Plan on telling us where this page is? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Edit:
bah

[ August 01, 2003, 18:41: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[tesco samoa]

hmmm upload speed is 20 kb/s

Looks like this is going to take some time to upload... Longer than 16 hours of working vs falling asleep vs a warm house and drinking a nice glass of red wine..

I think the sleep will win out before the upload.

Hey Sat. Is this not expected with me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Fyron]

Could always leave it uploading overnight...

[tesco samoa]

really i though i would sit and watch the upload... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

well it is up

www.tescosamoa.com (http://www.tescosamoa.com)

but i have a super slow connection so i cannot tell if all the pictures are loading on the ship set directorys can some on test for me...

[Thermodyne]

Server has a slow connection too. Three minutes and counting on the a to c page.

But other than that, very cool. Congratulations are in order I think. But there is one omission that needs to be corrected, the fist ship set I looked for is missing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

OK it’s five now with now, and the progress bar is less than half way done.

[tesco samoa]

hey thermo.... which shipset is that.

666.zip d/l works for me.

and yea very very slow... hmmm....

if it stays like that well i will have to rethink it... perhaps just one letter per page or up to 20

[tesco samoa]

perhaps i can change the images to png or gif ... silly me just used the .bmp pictures...

i will try that

[Thermodyne]

It's loading now, but with lots of broken links to pic's

[tesco samoa]

well i will have to fix that later... as i converted the picutres... but it removed capitals etc.... so now the connections are not working...

as i am going out

so later today everything will work..

[Thermodyne]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
hey thermo.... which shipset is that.

666.zip d/l works for me.

and yea very very slow... hmmm....

if it stays like that well i will have to rethink it... perhaps just one letter per page or up to 20<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">666 was not the one I was looking for. The Thermolian set is the first one I checked.

[Captain Kwok]

Tesco:

Are the shipsets you are loading up to your website error-free with 1.84? I hate to download a bunch only to find that I have to fix some of the files myself to eliminate those pesky errors that are caused by missing lines in AI files etc...

[SamuraiProgrammer]

Excuse my ignorance, but what does Neo-Standard mean? I can guess, but guessing is not knowing.

Thanks!

BTW THIS IS A GREAT RESOURCE!

[Ed Kolis]

Originally posted by SamuraiProgrammer:
[QB]Excuse my ignorance, but what does Neo-Standard mean? I can guess, but guessing is not knowing.
[QB]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The NeoStandard is a collection of additional hull sizes that shipset creators can add to their shipsets and mod creators can use in their mods. What's the point, you ask? Well, basically what it does is it's like a matchmaking service - on the one end are the shipset creators asking "what hull sizes should I create in my shipset so lots of mods can use my pretty pictures?" and on the other end are the mod creators who are asking "what hull sizes are commonly available in existing shipsets so I can make my mod to use the widest variety of pictures for all my custom hull sizes?" So without the NeoStandard, you might have a Star Wars mod calling for a "DeathStar" hull, but a shipset designed for P&N might have a "BattleMoon" hull in it instead, so the mod couldn't "see" the hull even though it's perfectly appropriate for the purpose. With the NeoStandard, you have a common name, "WorldShip", which P&N can take and tell the user it's a Battlemoon and the Star Wars mod can take and tell the user it's a Death Star.

[tesco samoa]

kwok... double doh...

I will check that.... is there a utility i can run against them to check

[tesco samoa]

the pictures will be fixed up tomorrow... THose who know linux will understand. I ran a image converter that converted all the bmp to png... but made everything lower case.... which is not what the html is looking for

[Z.e.r.o]

Tesco, I updated the AI of the Addisian and the Star Empire of Romii to made them compatible with latest Version of SE4 Gold (they weren't gold, before), research drones, etc.

I also rewrote completely the AI of the Infernal Realm that previously used the AI copied straight from another stock shipset.

You may consider updating these, to serve the latest & more updated AI around. Check the Race & Shipsets Thread in the Scenario Forum.

[Z.e.r.o]

NM, I'll keep you informed for further updates, I really like your initiative, since now the development cycle of SE4 is at its end may be really cool having almost all the races compatible and tweaked for the latest Version.

[Ack]

That raises an interesting question. How will SE5 differ when it comes to shipsets? Are we looking at a few tweaks to convert or a complete re-write?

[tesco samoa]

z.e.r.o. thank you. but the thanks go to andres and trooper and the other people who have hosted ship sets.... I am just adding to that list and hoping that i make the community stronger.

Kwok

ARe you talking about Capnq 's race conVersion to gold ???

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Ack:
That raises an interesting question. How will SE5 differ when it comes to shipsets? Are we looking at a few tweaks to convert or a complete re-write?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I believe the plan is to go with 3d models for the ships (as in Starfury, per its web site).

[tesco samoa]

thanks z.e.r.o.

[Captain Kwok]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Kwok - Are you talking about Capnq 's race conVersion to gold ???<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not necessarily - well for those that are stuck with 1.49 AIs and lower. I also meant just making sure that each race you upload can work error free in 1.84 Gold. It will certainly save everyone from having to fix these errors themselves!

[tesco samoa]

well to my knowledge they are gold.

but i will start the check..

p.s. if anyone else see's one that is not gold let me know and i will up date it.

p.s.

the shipset pages are being fixed this week... due to the problems listed below...

[Thermodyne]

Still don't see any Thermolian ships listed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[tesco samoa]

ahhh now i get it... send it to me... and i will put it up... I can add it when i get to that area.

Sorry thermo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[tesco samoa]

Fixed up the ship set pages so the pictures will now load.... THis will be updated tonight ( after work. )

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Captain Kwok:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Kwok - Are you talking about Capnq 's race conVersion to gold ???<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not necessarily - well for those that are stuck with 1.49 AIs and lower. I also meant just making sure that each race you upload can work error free in 1.84 Gold. It will certainly save everyone from having to fix these errors themselves!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All Gold-compatible races should be fine in 1.84, actually. It is just non-Gold that won't work right.

[Stone Mill]

tecso- well done!!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

P.S. thank goodness for broadband. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[tesco samoa]

thank you stone mill. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[geoschmo]

Tesco, While I am flattered you included the Decapodians in your index, they are a derivative shipset. I took the Neocanadian shipset and just changed the race pic and flag. If you are going to leave it in the index you should change the race author to John Beech.

Geoschmo

[tesco samoa]

thanks geo... i am sure there are a few mistakes like that.

And missing ships set http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[tesco samoa]

ok png conVersion is complete...

All please enjoy... and post recommendations / corrections here

thank you

[Fyron]

I will try to enjoy... might be hard though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Actually... what happened to the "all ship sets in one file" option? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[ August 05, 2003, 01:04: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[tesco samoa]

i am wating to see what my band width is like first... finalize the shipsets and then offer it starting next month or the month after... Then update the big file once a month

[Ruatha]

I don't see one of my Favorites from the PBW library, "the Dominion" on your site, not the star trek Dominion but another one with this pop portrait:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1060075444.bmp
As PBW is down I can't give more specifics.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Ruatha:
I don't see one of my Favorites from the PBW library, "the Dominion" on your site, not the star trek Dominion but another one with this pop portrait:
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This Dominion was posted by someone named Damacon. No read me file. I guess Damacon is the shipset author.

1060080262.zip (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1060080262.zip)

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Done

but there now called The Dominion As is the directory... Due to Dominion already taken.

And the race picture is a little different than the one you posted<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The one you have on your site listed as "The Dominion/TD" is the same shipset that Ruatha is talking about, but it's an older Version. Deccan has posted several updates of it, the most recent has the female race pic that Ruatha posted earlier.

I guess the most confusing part Tesco is you have the "The Dominion/TD" shipset in your index under T instead of D.

Geoschmo

[ August 05, 2003, 13:03: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[tesco samoa]

order is by directory... until i change the pages to database driven... So you can sort by Race Name , Directory etc... I did this to keep with the current SOTAS standard.

And since Dominion is already used by the ST DS9 race I added the THE to it.
I will update the picture and the zip with the latest file.

[ August 05, 2003, 14:18: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

[geoschmo]

Sorting by directory is not my preferance, I don't care for it on the SOTAS site either. But that is a personal thing, I can deal with it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But adding "The" and sorting "The Dominion" under "T" is just too confusing. You really should change it to "Dominion (B)" or something like that and sort it under "D" after the DS9 Dominion shipset.

Geoschmo

[tesco samoa]

ok geo. i will change it when i get home

Dominion(b)

it is...

p.s. that is why i am going to change the ship sets to load out of a database and have it set up so you can choose your sorts and filters

such as show all ship sets by author sort by race name

etc...

But that will be after I get the other part of the site upto speed.... As I just wanted to get the static stuff off the ground. See what people liked / disliked and then adjust.

[Gryphin]

A great site.
My only request is to keep the colors as readable as they are. Please try to avoid Blue lettering with a black background.
Thanks for all of your hard work.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
A great site.
My only request is to keep the colors as readable as they are. Please try to avoid Blue lettering with a black background.
Thanks for all of your hard work.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, that would be aweful! Who would ever choose a combination like that for for a website.

What? Oh... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Thermodyne]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
ahhh now i get it... send it to me... and i will put it up... I can add it when i get to that area.

Sorry thermo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No problem, I'm at work already so it will have to wait until I get home.

It probably needs some kind of parental warning label on it; the speech file is a little harsh.

[tesco samoa]

Done

but there now called The Dominion As is the directory... Due to Dominion already taken.

ANd the race picture is a little different than the one you posted

[Ruatha]

Yep, I took it from my races folder, sometimes I alter the appearance of the pictures some, changes ship colours, pop portrait and so on, and then I forget that I've done so. Sorry.

(Just does it to enhance my own SE4 sessions, I don't spread the alterations, except one that is uploaded to the PBW but clearly stated that it is a minor alteration of an existing shipset.)

[ZeroAdunn]

Sorry, I don't have time to read the whole thread, pretty busy, but have you thought about organize your shipset section by various methods and letting the user decide how he wants to view them? Like, sort by directory name, race name, author name?

[ZeroAdunn]

Sorry, I don't have time to read the whole thread, pretty busy, but have you thought about organize your shipset section by various methods and letting the user decide how he wants to view them? Like, sort by directory name, race name, author name?

[Fyron]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:

p.s. that is why i am going to change the ship sets to load out of a database and have it set up so you can choose your sorts and filters

such as show all ship sets by author sort by race name

etc...

But that will be after I get the other part of the site upto speed.... As I just wanted to get the static stuff off the ground. See what people liked / disliked and then adjust.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just from a few Posts back. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[SamuraiProgrammer]

What happens in a 5000 point game when a race has AI files but no EMP file?

[Fyron]

EMP files are only ever used if you manually load them. Otherwise, AI empires are always generated from the AI files. So, the AI will use whatever it is designed to use in 5000 point games.

[SamuraiProgrammer]

Thanks for the quick answer.

I was concerned as I noticed that some races come with emp files for the different point totals.

[Grandpa Kim]

Tesco, if its too much trouble to revise the files so all shipsets are Gold compatible, just have an indicator showing whether a shipset is optimized for Gold or Classic. I really hate it when I start a game and see those error screens. Grrr.

[Atrocities]

Most races come with 3 sets of EMP's, 2k, 3k, and 5k points.

[SamuraiProgrammer]

Tesco,

in the file rg_ai_general:

Bezerkers is misspelled as Beserkers

in Aquilaeian_ai_fleets:

there is a reference to a fleet formation Compact which does not exist in the basic game.

[tesco samoa]

hi... i can fix those up tomorrow night.

[tesco samoa]

Hi. I have not had a chance to do the updates.

I am sorry about that.

Will try on Sunday....

[SamuraiProgrammer]

No problem, I have fixed my copies.

I would be glad to send them to you, but I am not what I would call proficient at AI.

If everyone would point out the deficiencies, you can be 'home' to the corrected copies.

Have a great week!

[Fyron]

SE.net will certainly have the corrected copies soon after posted. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[tesco samoa]

sure send them to seiv at sympatico dot ca

[trooper]

Tesco,

I've just came back from holiday (if one can consider a wedding preparation week is holiday...), and I've just had a look at your site.

Few things I think about it :

- couldn't find the huge download section you are talking about (All I've found is the download section of the ladder universe, with 11 downloads in it ?). Too bad that section has no preview pics...

[Just understood what you were meaning, your shipset download section is in fact a shipset link section ! I'm quite surprised about it, I thought that your primary idea was to create a new shipset hosting zone, with many files to upload in it ?]

- SE IV suppository : seems to be a big copy/paste of existing sites with no file to download (just external links)... what's the use of it ? It's harder to maintain several link lists than managing only one, and it will be hard for you to keep all those pages up to date. When I took in charge Andre's racedir, it was because he asked me to do so, because he was fed up with it.

Sure you did a huge work indeed, but don't you think it's a bit redundant with what already exists ?

[ August 13, 2003, 13:51: Message edited by: trooper ]

[trooper]

I forgot : Why put a pre-gold shipset download section in the ladder universe ? (anybody still plays pre-gold ? ) I think it's more usefull to take old shipsets and correct them to have them work with SEIV gold (that's what I did with those hosted on Sotas).

And : Why is the ladder section so different in its design from the suppository section ? (one has a black background, and the other a white one, I first thought there were two different sites !)

[ August 13, 2003, 13:54: Message edited by: trooper ]

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by trooper:
- SE IV suppository : seems to be a big copy/paste of existing sites with no file to download (just external links)... what's the use of it ? It's harder to maintain several link lists than managing only one, and it will be hard for you to keep all those pages up to date. When I took in charge Andre's racedir, it was because he asked me to do so, because he was fed up with it.

Sure you did a huge work indeed, but don't you think it's a bit redundant with what already exists ?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually there is more to it then that. I kind of thought the same thing you did but what I didn't notice at first, and you apparently missed it too, is that if you click on the race portraits you can download the shipset from Tescos site directly. So you have the links to the authors page, and then Tesco is offering them for download from his site as well.

Geoschmo

[trooper]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif Oh, missed that. I think it's a point that should be clearly noticed on the site. It changes a lot of things on the site usefulness...

[tesco samoa]

hi trooper it is two sites....

I have this on the top of the ship set pages in the repository

Please click on the Race Potrait for the zip file.

I thought that was enough.
what are you suggesting i do to make it easier for people to release what they have to do to download the shipsets ???

[tesco samoa]

p.s. welcome back i remember that week.

Rather busy... but it ended well...

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Fyron]

http://www.spaceempires.net has 243 ship sets hosted in the Downloads > Space Empires IV Gold > Shipsets section. I sent you (Trooper) an email about this several days ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I do not have any sort of preview, but then, I am not quite sure how to go about doing that with the existing PHP scripts anyways. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And FYI, I added all of the files to the database (once uploaded) in about 3 seconds with an automated script. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

And yes, there is a fairly large number of people that do not have gold and play 1.49 (they either can not buy it or refuse to buy it).

[tesco samoa]

Trooper my friend you are going to post a picture from your wedding right ???

[trooper]

Fyron : I've missed your mail an site too (as I'm progressively going back to life, I realize that I have much work to do...) This is a site that has to be added on the SOTAS's links. I also have to update the racedir, because many new creations have been realized during the Last weeks...

Tesco : No picture available at the moment, but there will be plenty of them...

[Fyron]

Well, that is all my email was about, requesting that a link be posted. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

How much space does the typical ship set preview take up?

[ August 14, 2003, 08:20: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[trooper]

Let's say... ~350 ko of jpg pics for a standard shipset.