SE4 Rating System [Archive] - Page 2

Slynky

December 13th, 2003, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by Geckomlis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
Well, thank you, your Geckness http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . BTW, you never answered my question my wife asked: "Does he have Geico insurance?" (she followed it by a loud laugh as if she had made the "funny" of the year. Of course, I humored her. A hubby has to, right? I did indeed answer: "No, sorry, we don't." However, it was not a very clear or contextual answer. In any case, I am happy that I could provide your wife with material for a funny. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I would ask my wife what comes to her mind in regards to your name, but perhaps it is better not to go there... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <hr /></blockquote>MY name? Slynky or Chuck? If Chuck, then she's been listening to the "Banana" song too much... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . If Slynky...her imagination is a bit weird...I'd say she is a keeper... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

Geckomlis

December 13th, 2003, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Geckomlis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
Well, thank you, your Geckness http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . BTW, you never answered my question my wife asked: "Does he have Geico insurance?" (she followed it by a loud laugh as if she had made the "funny" of the year. Of course, I humored her. A hubby has to, right? I did indeed answer: "No, sorry, we don't." However, it was not a very clear or contextual answer. In any case, I am happy that I could provide your wife with material for a funny. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I would ask my wife what comes to her mind in regards to your name, but perhaps it is better not to go there... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <hr /></blockquote>MY name? Slynky or Chuck? If Chuck, then she's been listening to the "Banana" song too much... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . If Slynky...her imagination is a bit weird...I'd say she is a keeper... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . <hr /></blockquote>I guess that makes her a keeper. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Edit: Finally made it to Sergeant.

[ December 13, 2003, 05:51: Message edited by: Geckomlis ]

Asmala

December 13th, 2003, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
So, I repeat my request for comments and suggest we accept Gryphin's offer. Sorry, I read your request but I was unable to reply to it (most of my school's computers have cookies and internet settings disabled) and I forgot to reply later.

I'd like to be in the committee and I also think we should accept Gryphin.

primitive

December 13th, 2003, 11:30 AM

5 man committee for a 35 member league http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Excess bureaucracy anyone http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
You don't work for the goverment by any chanche http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Just kidding, good work as always. The Gryph has my vote.

Grandpa Kim

December 13th, 2003, 05:44 PM

Slynky, a committee of one-- yourself-- would suit me just fine. A committee of 5 makes me think about mountains and mole hills.

Suicide Junkie

December 13th, 2003, 06:06 PM

Better not visit the Play By Committee game, then!
We've got at least 15-20 active participants for a one-player game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Slynky

December 13th, 2003, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Grandpa Kim:
Slynky, a committee of one-- yourself-- would suit me just fine. A committee of 5 makes me think about mountains and mole hills. Thanks for the kind comment but...

While I think I am objective, sometimes I don't see all the points of view. Geo and I, for example, have traded opinions in this area on varioius occasions...and he usually makes very good points. So, I thought it would be a good idea to invite more viewpoints than just my own.

The Ratings system is managed by me but the members have a vested interest as well. I want every member to feel the Rating system is fair and honest.

Considering this, "government committees ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ), and mountains/molehills, perhaps we will be fine with myself, Geo, Asmala, and Gryphin.

Thanks for you input, GrandpaKim http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

Slynky

December 14th, 2003, 12:40 AM

The website will be going through a few cosmetic changes this weekend. Adding another page and changing the nav buttons.

So, updates for the site will be done when I get the site "re-arranged".

Thanks for your patience.

Baron Grazic

December 14th, 2003, 05:31 AM

Looking forward to the next change in the Ratings Evolution.

Slynky

December 14th, 2003, 03:53 PM

Site updated:

1 game completed

Site changes:

Cosmetic changes;
Page added (more to follow);
Button navigation modified (Before, I didn't include a button for the page you were on. This led, at least for me, to "confusion" on where a particular button would be from page to page. I've put the same buttons on every page in the same place now. Makes it easier for people who click the same buttons when they navigate)

There is now a PBW (donations) page on the site. Geo and I were talking about how there just wasn't enough time to keep it updated at the PBW site so I offered a solution and he accepted. The main concern was to give proper thanks in a "public" way to those who have donated. Currently, there aren't any names listed but I am beginning "Phase II" of the "donation update". I will be emailing all the people who have donated and verify their PBW nickname (ID) and whether or not they would like that name listed on the site (or be listed as anonymous). This will take some time so please be patient. (and if you get an email, it isn't spam http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Slynky

December 14th, 2003, 04:50 PM

WHEW! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif 97 emails sent to PBW donators!

Master Belisarius

December 14th, 2003, 09:27 PM

I joined today to the SE4 Rating System! And... if someone wants an one-on-one rated game with a newbie, I would be happy to play! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geckomlis

December 14th, 2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
I joined today to the SE4 Rating System! And... if someone wants an one-on-one rated game with a newbie, I would be happy to play! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Welcome Master Belisarius! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I would be interested in Rating game with you. Suggested settings:
Default KOTH settings + No Intelligence Projects
Tesco Map

-Gecko

Master Belisarius

December 14th, 2003, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Geckomlis:
Welcome Master Belisarius! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I would be interested in Rating game with you. Suggested settings:
Default KOTH settings + No Intelligence Projects
Tesco Map
-Gecko [/QB]:)Thanks Gecko! The settings are ok with me.
Moderator?

Alneyan

December 14th, 2003, 10:45 PM

Welcome to the Ratings and good luck Belisarius, for you will need it against Gecko. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geckomlis

December 14th, 2003, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Geckomlis:
Welcome Master Belisarius! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I would be interested in Rating game with you. Suggested settings:
Default KOTH settings + No Intelligence Projects
Tesco Map
-Gecko :)Thanks Gecko! The settings are ok with me.
Moderator?<hr /></blockquote>Ask for a volunteer to host the game? Maybe Slynky will do the honors for a Ratings game if we ask nicely...

Master Belisarius

December 14th, 2003, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
Welcome to the Ratings and good luck Belisarius, for you will need it against Gecko. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thanks!

Master Belisarius

December 14th, 2003, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Geckomlis:
Ask for a volunteer to host the game? Maybe Slynky will do the honors for a Ratings game if we ask nicely... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Hey Slinky, would you be able to do it?
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Fyron

December 15th, 2003, 01:20 AM

I forsee a new top of the list! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Excimer-500

December 15th, 2003, 02:55 AM

<<WHEW! 97 emails sent to PBW donators!>>

Slynky,

I haven't received the e-mail (or I deleted it thinking it was spam http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif )

I sent a check via mail and received the cancelled back.

-Tom

geoschmo

December 15th, 2003, 03:28 AM

Gack!! That's not Slynky's falut. I forgot to give him the list of people that donated by mail.

If you know how much you gave, go aheaad and send him an email. Otherwise I will dig out my list, I know i have it somewhere, and forward it to him.

Geoschmo

Slynky

December 15th, 2003, 04:23 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Gack!! That's not Slynky's falut. I forgot to give him the list of people that donated by mail.

If you know how much you gave, go aheaad and send him an email. Otherwise I will dig out my list, I know i have it somewhere, and forward it to him.

Geoschmo So many different people donated, it's hard to keep count of all of them... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

Slynky

December 15th, 2003, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Geckomlis:
Ask for a volunteer to host the game? Maybe Slynky will do the honors for a Ratings game if we ask nicely... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Hey Slinky, would you be able to do it?
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>Let me give it a shot. So used to Asmala and Geo setting up all my games... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

Slynky

December 15th, 2003, 05:23 AM

There she is guys...hope you like the empire names http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

Slynky

December 15th, 2003, 05:51 AM

Site updated:

2 games completed;
3 games added;
1 new member: Welcome Master Belisarius!

Congrats to Geo on the biggest point jump (21) and most completed games (10).

[ December 15, 2003, 03:59: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Geckomlis

December 15th, 2003, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
There she is guys...hope you like the empire names http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . "Geckos Goodguys"
"Bels Badguys "

Thank you, your Slynkness. Good Gecko, Bad Gecko. I'm the guy with the Seeking Parasite... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Gecko

Excimer-500

December 15th, 2003, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by geoschmo:
Gack!! That's not Slynky's falut. I forgot to give him the list of people that donated by mail.

If you know how much you gave, go aheaad and send him an email. Otherwise I will dig out my list, I know i have it somewhere, and forward it to him.

Geoschmo So many different people donated, it's hard to keep count of all of them... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . <hr /></blockquote>Hi,

It was $25. Please list it (if there's room) as "Excimer-500 for Evolution"

I pledged $5 for every player who submitted every turn and lived for 5 game years. Out of 13 players it came down to just 5.. 4 actually since I accidently forgot to submit the 49th turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif ...

Be Well

Excimer-500

December 15th, 2003, 06:32 PM

Are there any hopes of a multiplayer rated game being started soon? Or are there just one-on-one games?

Asmala

December 15th, 2003, 08:09 PM

Baron Grazic

December 15th, 2003, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Excimer-500:
Are there any hopes of a multiplayer rated game being started soon? Or are there just one-on-one games? Most rating games are with Gold, so looks like you could be upgrading. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Baron Grazic

December 15th, 2003, 09:40 PM

Slynky, Can you add the "K.O.T.H. Grazic vs Alneyan" as a Ratings game?
Thanks in Advance.

geoschmo

December 15th, 2003, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Congrats to Geo on the biggest point jump (21) ...Well, that's easy when you suck but somehow manage to beat one of the top rated players. Even a blind squirell finds a nut now and then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Slynky

December 15th, 2003, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Excimer-500:
Are there any hopes of a multiplayer rated game being started soon? Or are there just one-on-one games? You can see which are the multiplayer games (fairly easily) on the site. But one hasn't been rated. The method for doing it is buried deep in this thread somewhere ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif ).

Anklbiters is another one but it's slow. Deccan is (I think) busy in real life and Slick (Last I heard) was busy as heck. Then there is the challenge game Geo set up...I think there are 4 rated players in there.

I really wish more people would join. Perhaps they feel being rated puts a kind of pressure on them that takes away from the fun. But I like both. There are several good players out there who should get in and start showing their proper rating, IMHO. The biggest puzzle of all is Stone Mill ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif ). (not to put pressure on the "King" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

Slynky

December 15th, 2003, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
Congrats to Geo on the biggest point jump (21) ...Well, that's easy when you suck but somehow manage to beat one of the top rated players. Even a blind squirell finds a nut now and then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <hr /></blockquote>You don't give yourself credit. You may have had a bit of an advantage in the map but you played it absolutely right! Got me boxed in in 14 turns. So, it was a rightly earned victory.

primitive

December 16th, 2003, 12:12 AM

Nice update to the site there Slynky. Love the picture on the welcome page http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Congrats to Geo for knocking you down a notch to within striking distance http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
I want that cushy top spot you stole from me back again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

December 16th, 2003, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by primitive:
Nice update to the site there Slynky. Love the picture on the welcome page http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Congrats to Geo for knocking you down a notch to within striking distance http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
I want that cushy top spot you stole from me back again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Just a note...it's not cushy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . (Of course, the primitive hoards don't really care about cushy, do they http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ).

Thanks for the compliment (the art, that is). I was hoping for some superficial compliments on my buttons so feel free to lay it on... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

geoschmo

December 16th, 2003, 03:33 AM

Hey, is it my eyes or are some of the names in teh list white and some grey?

Geoschmo

Slynky

December 16th, 2003, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Hey, is it my eyes or are some of the names in teh list white and some grey?

Geoschmo Not your eyes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

Thought I'd hi-lite the people who are currently at or above the initial starting point of 1,000. Also, the person who has completed the most games.

Slynky

December 16th, 2003, 04:08 AM

Joachim

December 16th, 2003, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by Excimer-500:
Are there any hopes of a multiplayer rated game being started soon? Or are there just one-on-one games? I'd be keen for more multiplayer action. What about a 6 player 24 hour game? (all other settings to be argued.)

Slynky, can we rate 6 player games - I lost interest in the discussion on multiplayer Ratings when maths got involved....?

Slynky

December 16th, 2003, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by Joachim:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Excimer-500:
Are there any hopes of a multiplayer rated game being started soon? Or are there just one-on-one games? I'd be keen for more multiplayer action. What about a 6 player 24 hour game? (all other settings to be argued.)

Slynky, can we rate 6 player games - I lost interest in the discussion on multiplayer Ratings when maths got involved....? <hr /></blockquote>There should not be any problems in a game with 6 players. We have a few "fours" now. Just remember http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif the point gain/loss is a bit greater in one of those.

I should dig in the thread and see what it appears we decided upon when the discussion went "dry".

Geckomlis

December 16th, 2003, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Geckomlis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
There she is guys...hope you like the empire names http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . "Geckos Goodguys"
"Bels Badguys "

Thank you, your Slynkness. Good Gecko, Bad Gecko. I'm the guy with the Seeking Parasite... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Gecko <hr /></blockquote>Well, give the game a shot, guys. May have made a mistake but it will show up the first turn if I did. Sorry for the delay. Found out the Tesco map I had had some ruins on it so I had to get rid of all of them.

If it doesn't run, I'll try again tomorrow evening. Good luck! <hr /></blockquote>Yes, something is awry with the game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif When I completed turn one, it created a file named
chalgvb.gam_0001.plr

The correct file name should be:
chalgvb_0001.plr

I think you are going to have to do a restart. Thanks again for hosting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Gecko

Slynky

December 16th, 2003, 04:54 AM

My bad http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif . Hopefully, this one is OK.

Geckomlis

December 16th, 2003, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
My bad http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif . Hopefully, this one is OK. Yep, that did the trick. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Gecko

parabolize

December 16th, 2003, 06:23 AM

parapolize http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Slynky

December 16th, 2003, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by parabolize:
parapolize http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif GEE! I have the toughest time with spelling that name. I guess I should slow down when I see it coming up! (Sorry)

Asmala

December 16th, 2003, 03:17 PM

I think the way multiplayer games are rated should be added to the rules page.

Slynky

December 16th, 2003, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
I think the way multiplayer games are rated should be added to the rules page. You are right, of course!

Slynky

December 17th, 2003, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by parabolize:
parapolize http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif GEE! I have the toughest time with spelling that name. I guess I should slow down when I see it coming up! (Sorry) <hr /></blockquote>Corrected.

Slynky

December 17th, 2003, 03:04 AM

Excimer-500, widened the field per your request.

Slynky

December 17th, 2003, 03:12 AM

New player added: Welcome Simplify!

As to your request to having "Fallen Icons" be a rated game for you, I hesitate to say it is OK. Though you say the game is young, I took a look and I believe it is 21 turns in. I prefer that people who will be rated for a game state so as the game is starting and not after one has had a chance to see what the map holds for them. However, in this case, since you just joined, I think it is fair to allow your game to be rated so long as all the other rated players already in the game agree to it. That is: Gozguy, Grandpa Kim, and Parabolize. They need to confirm it.

Finally, being a bit slow sometimes, please let me know of any games that need to be listed that I have not listed on the site. Thanks! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[EDIT: I see the game now between the "Baron" and Alneyan...I will add it]

[ December 17, 2003, 01:16: Message edited by: Slynky ]

parabolize

December 17th, 2003, 04:37 AM

I am happy to have simplify be rated. I think we all have made contact with someone but not much combat.

Slynky

December 17th, 2003, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by parabolize:
I am happy to have simplify be rated. I think we all have made contact with someone but not much combat. Tks for the response, Parabolize. But I have already received an email from someone who thinks the game has progressed too far.

I understand Simplify's excitement at wanting to get his rated started as soon as possible but in this case, I'm afraid he's a bit too late. To him, I'd suggest KOTH or a Ratings challenge (like I did).

Baron Grazic

December 17th, 2003, 11:53 PM

The Baron Grazic and our EEEvil EEEmpire has time for another game, if anyone is looking.

PS. And when I say "our EEEvil EEEmpire", I don't mean to take any credit away from Deathstalker, I've just been stealing his idea, with his permission, for awhile now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

December 18th, 2003, 02:01 AM

Site updated:

1 game added.

Slynky

December 18th, 2003, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
The Baron Grazic and our EEEvil EEEmpire has time for another game, if anyone is looking.

PS. And when I say "our EEEvil EEEmpire", I don't mean to take any credit away from Deathstalker, I've just been stealing his idea, with his permission, for awhile now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Try Simplify...I hear he's looking for a rated game (though I'm not sure he's into 1-1 but worth a check).

Slynky

December 19th, 2003, 12:14 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed.

(Thanks for the email, Alneyan!)

Slynky

December 19th, 2003, 03:02 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed.

(to my Primitive friend with his hoards..."Move faster!... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

geoschmo

December 19th, 2003, 04:01 PM

Slynky, please update the following games:

Rating Bash - Gecko vs Steal Dragon; Gecko won

Rating Bash - RexTorres vs Georgig; RexTorres won

Add these new games

Ratings Bash - Steal Dragon vs Geoschmo
Ratings Bash - Alneyan vs Georgig
Ratings Bash - Slynky vs RexTorres
Ratings Bash - Bbegemott vs Joachim

Thanks

Slynky

December 19th, 2003, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Slynky, please update the following games:

Rating Bash - Gecko vs Steal Dragon; Gecko won

Rating Bash - RexTorres vs Georgig; RexTorres won

Add these new games

Ratings Bash - Steal Dragon vs Geoschmo
Ratings Bash - Alneyan vs Georgig
Ratings Bash - Slynky vs RexTorres
Ratings Bash - Bbegemott vs Joachim

Thanks I'll get it tonight when I get home. Tks, Geo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ...I love it when it's concise like that!

Slynky

December 19th, 2003, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
(to my Primitive friend with his hoards..."Move faster!... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ) No need to move fast...I see I just got paired with Rex http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif .

Slynky

December 20th, 2003, 03:35 AM

Site updated:

Rating Bash - Gecko vs Steal Dragon; Gecko won (I did the points but failed to delete the game...updated)

Rating Bash - RexTorres vs Georgig; RexTorres won (updated)

Add these new games

Ratings Bash - Steal Dragon vs Geoschmo (added)
Ratings Bash - Alneyan vs Georgig (added)
Ratings Bash - Slynky vs RexTorres (added)
Ratings Bash - Bbegemott vs Joachim (added)

Once again, if I missed something of yours, please let me know.

Slynky

December 20th, 2003, 04:06 AM

(just some trivial statistics:)

19 rated games in progress (not bad!)
26 players currently in a rated game
No one has gone below 900 points or above 1100 points (yet)

Hope everyone is having fun measuring your skill and playing one of the best games ever made! Special thanks to Geo for PBW...besides the game, it's the singlemost important component that makes all this fun (and removes the tedium of game managememt).

[EDIT - Just had to do anything to justify my 1500th post and get a promotion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif ]

[ December 20, 2003, 02:07: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Slynky

December 20th, 2003, 06:06 AM

Site updated:

Well, it's been a week since I undertook the PBW Donation Fleet (to help take some work off Geo).

I sent out around 100 emails to confirm information. I took Geo's data and converted it to Access (Ugh!), added some fields, a query, and a report to show a sorted report of who had responded to my email, what their PBW nickname was, and if they wanted their name listed.

I have added the names to the list who have responded and listed those as "stealth ships" who wished to remain anonymous.

Like any human (or Microsoft product), I am likely to make errors. Please review, inform me, and I will correct anything you see wrong. If I listed you when you wished to be a "stealth ship", I apologize, and I will correct as fast as possible.

For anyone who hasn't responded to my email, please give it some consideration if you're reading this.

In closing, I'd just like to say there are quite a few generous people out there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif .

Slynky

December 21st, 2003, 04:54 AM

Site updated:

1 game added

Phoenix-D

December 21st, 2003, 05:08 AM

heh, stealth ships. Look out for the mines! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Just a FYI, http://se4-gaming.net/SE4-Stats.htm is distorted in Firebird..the right side has the win/loss colums running into each other. Not sure if that's a brower bug or IE specific code, though.

EDIT: annnd..now it doesn't. What the heck?

[ December 21, 2003, 03:49: Message edited by: Phoenix-D ]

tesco samoa

December 21st, 2003, 08:39 PM

well move alasma to round two. tesco surrenders.... damn one sided battles....

geoschmo

December 21st, 2003, 09:16 PM

Slynky, Please add the following:

Ratings Bash - Asmala vs Baron Grazic

Slynky

December 22nd, 2003, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Slynky, Please add the following:

Ratings Bash - Asmala vs Baron Grazic I'll get it real soon...there are a few updates to do.

Slynky

December 23rd, 2003, 05:31 AM

Site updated:

5 games completed
4 games added
1 game dropped (Enormity) due to lack of rated players

Geckomlis

December 26th, 2003, 06:06 PM

SE4 Rated Challenge - Gecko vs Belisarious
2406.7

Gecko surrenders to Master Belisarious. A very well-played game that ended suddenly when all of my planets started rioting due to massive losses in ships, then planets. I had a hard, but brittle, empire. My defeat should give Belisarious a nice boost for his initial Rating. Thanks for a really fun game Belisarious. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Gecko

Slynky

December 27th, 2003, 09:18 PM

Site updated:

1 game completed
3 games added

If you have completed a game or started a game recently, please make sure I didn't miss it. Thanks! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Master Belisarius

December 28th, 2003, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by Geckomlis:
SE4 Rated Challenge - Gecko vs Belisarious
2406.7

Gecko surrenders to Master Belisarious. A very well-played game that ended suddenly when all of my planets started rioting due to massive losses in ships, then planets. I had a hard, but brittle, empire. My defeat should give Belisarious a nice boost for his initial Rating. Thanks for a really fun game Belisarious. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Gecko And thanks to you Gecko!
You pushed me into the ropes, but I had the luck to resist.
Don't ask me why, but I know you'll try to take revenge! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

geoschmo

December 29th, 2003, 04:49 PM

Slynky, Game update:
Geoschmo def. Steal Dragon in Ratings bash.

No new games at this time.

Geoschmo

Geckomlis

December 29th, 2003, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Master Belisarius:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Geckomlis:
SE4 Rated Challenge - Gecko vs Belisarious
2406.7

Gecko surrenders to Master Belisarious. A very well-played game that ended suddenly when all of my planets started rioting due to massive losses in ships, then planets. I had a hard, but brittle, empire. My defeat should give Belisarious a nice boost for his initial Rating. Thanks for a really fun game Belisarious. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Gecko And thanks to you Gecko!
You pushed me into the ropes, but I had the luck to resist.
Don't ask me why, but I know you'll try to take revenge! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif <hr /></blockquote>Revenge? Nah, I just want to stay in the top ten in the Ratings. Beyond that, feel free to stomp all over me again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

December 29th, 2003, 11:41 PM

Site updated:

4 games completed

(thanks for the info, Geo)

Slynky

December 31st, 2003, 12:36 AM

Welcome to a new player: Taikon

Taikon

December 31st, 2003, 12:55 AM

Thank-you for the welcoming.

Are there any standard settings for the challenges?

If it is allowed...any takers for a limited resources game?

[ December 30, 2003, 22:57: Message edited by: Taikon ]

Gandalph

December 31st, 2003, 01:02 AM

Slynky - Gozguy and I agreed to put our KOTH game into the Ratings board and I am also playing Anklebiters and would like to put that on the Ratings board.

In addition, check your PM

Slynky

December 31st, 2003, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by Taikon:
Thank-you for the welcoming.

Are there any standard settings for the challenges?

If it is allowed...any takers for a limited resources game? There is a challenge thread Here (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=010556).

You can see what is available or post a game setting you would like. That would even include finite resources (though I'm not sure how popular that is...I've played it on occasion). I think you'll find new players are welcomed and there is usually someone pretty quickly reponding to a challenge if the settings look good to them and if they have a "game slot" available http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

Slynky

December 31st, 2003, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by Gandalph:
Slynky - Gozguy and I agreed to put our KOTH game into the Ratings board and I am also playing Anklebiters and would like to put that on the Ratings board.

In addition, check your PM I checked my PM (and don't see anything new...also, I have it notifying me by email and have nothing there as well). My email is in my siggy if you need it.

As to the games...

As always, it's possible I missed something somewhere so I spent some time digging around. I see you joined the Ratings system in Sep 1. But I don't see anything in the Anklebiter thread that you wanted it to count for a rating. I don't keep my "deleted" folder in Outlook for much more than a month, so I don't see anything in there about either game. I found some email from Goz but it didn't pertain to the KOTH match between you two.

So, any mistakes aside that I may have made (for which I apologize ahead of time), I'll have to take the standard approach I have done in the past:

Anklebiters: I have no idea what place you are in, who you have met (etc.). But, in lieu of any oversight on my part, all I can say is that if all the other rated players (voting privately to me) agree to allow your participation to be rated, then I will update the Games page to reflect it. I will vote publicly and my vote is "yes".

KOTH: 18 turns have passed in that game and the same option is available for it to be a rated game. That is, if I receive a message from Gozguy saying this game is a rated game. This comment can be made right here as there is no need for privacy.

Once again, if I missed something, I am sorry http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif . I hate making mistakes that affect people's rating. Usually, I respond to people's emails for game Ratings so if you (or Gozguy) can send me a reply you received from me, that will serve as definite proof that I made a mistake. I take this approach with everyone in order to make sure everything is above board and the Ratings system continues to remain above reproach. EVERY person I have "dealt" with in the Ratings system has been without reproach as well.

Gandalph

December 31st, 2003, 02:45 AM

It is I who should apologize as it seems I have not taken the proper steps (and was absent for a short while) to notify you of my intent. I certainly did not mean for it to sound as if you were lax, as you have not been. I greatly appreciate the work you put forth to maintain the Ratings system and its associated web page. My gratitude is yours.

Edit - I was distracted after my first post, but prior to sending the PM. Feel free to check now.

[ December 31, 2003, 00:46: Message edited by: Gandalph ]

Slynky

December 31st, 2003, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Gandalph:
It is I who should apologize as it seems I have not taken the proper steps (and was absent for a short while) to notify you of my intent. I certainly did not mean for it to sound as if you were lax, as you have not been. I greatly appreciate the work you put forth to maintain the Ratings system and its associated web page. My gratitude is yours.

Edit - I was distracted after my first post, but prior to sending the PM. Feel free to check now. Thank you for you kind words, assuming it was not my mistake (I guess we will never know what happened...), and taking the time to bump my forum rating (it had to be you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

As to people making contributions to this game we all love...people do it several ways: Create games for other players on PBW, operate PBW, sponsor tourneys, share their knowledge, donate money, donate time, make shipsets, design mods, and well, most importantly, join in games and have fun while at the same time exhibiting a wonderful sense of fairplay and sportsmanship. Everyone doesn't have time, or money, or a great deal of knowledge to share but everyone I have played with has done one of the above.

[ December 31, 2003, 12:50: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Slynky

January 1st, 2004, 01:26 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed
1 update to PBW Donor Fleet (our first baseship!)

Also, a meaningless statistic: 22 games completed in December. (the most active month so far)

tesco samoa

January 1st, 2004, 05:16 PM

K.O.T.H. Tescosamoa vs Electrum

rated game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif please

Slynky

January 1st, 2004, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
K.O.T.H. Tescosamoa vs Electrum

rated game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif please Noted

Slynky

January 1st, 2004, 06:28 PM

To the players in "Falling Icons" who are being rated:

Gozguy, GrandpaKim, Parabolize.

Simplify, who has recently joined the SE4 Ratings system, would like for this game to be a rated game for him. Since the game has already started, I need "permission" from each of the rated players in order to allow it. I realize the decision is based upon current positions, alliances, etc., that is why I asked. It's not fair to let a player count a game as a rated game after the game has started.

So, please email me with your vote on if it is OK with you or NOT OK with you. Your vote shall remain private and no reason is even needed. If I get ONE negative vote, I will just announce that Simpify cannot participate in it as a rated player...no other explanation is needed.

So, let me know...my email is below this message.

Slynky

January 2nd, 2004, 04:33 AM

I have received a negative response to the inclusion of Simplify to the game as a rated player. The decision, as explained to me, was based on the number of turns played in the game so far.

So, Simplify, I'm sorry to have to say the "Falling Icons" game will not count as a rated game for you. There will be plenty of other opportunities... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

January 2nd, 2004, 05:02 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed

Congrats to Geo for being in a tie for the most rated games completed (that's me) and getting above the 50% mark again.

Kudos to Nodachi for having the guts to join the system and see how he rates and play anyone. He's the lowest rated player at this point (sorry, Nodi http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ), but I'm watching him to see his rating grow. Throwing a few tips his way (as if anything I say might help http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif ).

Simplify

January 2nd, 2004, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
I have received a negative response to the inclusion of Simplify to the game as a rated player. The decision, as explained to me, was based on the number of turns played in the game so far.

So, Simplify, I'm sorry to have to say the "Falling Icons" game will not count as a rated game for you. There will be plenty of other opportunities... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Yep I know. So no problem. I need to find some other games...

Cheers

Nodachi

January 2nd, 2004, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:

Kudos to Nodachi for having the guts to join the system and see how he rates and play anyone. He's the lowest rated player at this point (sorry, Nodi )... Gee, thanks, Slynky. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif Actually, considering my perfect KOTH record, I think Asmala should rename the lowest level of the hill after me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

January 4th, 2004, 02:54 AM

Site updated:

2 games added

Slynky

January 4th, 2004, 05:07 PM

Site updated:

1 game completed
1 game added

Slynky

January 5th, 2004, 12:57 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed.

Nodachi

January 5th, 2004, 01:04 AM

Hey Slynky, my game with Simplify isn't listed. Oversight? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

January 5th, 2004, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by Nodachi:
Hey Slynky, my game with Simplify isn't listed. Oversight? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Yes, BIG oversight since I created the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif ! Let me fix it right away.

Just so ya know...I sometimes miss games but I don't mess up rating computations.

Nodachi

January 5th, 2004, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by Slynky
Yes, BIG oversight since I created the game Well, I wasn't going to point that out... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

January 5th, 2004, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Nodachi:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Originally posted by Slynky
Yes, BIG oversight since I created the game Well, I wasn't going to point that out... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <hr /></blockquote>I'll remember your consideration in the future (well, not in a game, mind you) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

She's up there now. Good luck!

Baron Grazic

January 6th, 2004, 12:00 PM

Bash Round 2 game - Asmala has defeated me.
Looks like my rating is starting to slip down to where it should be.

Slynky

January 6th, 2004, 03:34 PM

I'll post them tonight. Seems like there is a KOTH game ended, too. I'll have to check.

geoschmo

January 7th, 2004, 02:55 AM

Slynky,

1 game ended:
Rating Bash - Asmala vs Baron Grazic
Asmala won

2 new games:
Ratings Bash - Asmala vs RexTorres
Ratings Bash - Slynky vs Baron Grazic

Thanks.

Slynky

January 7th, 2004, 03:49 AM

Site updated:

4 games completed
3 games added

Please make sure I missed nothing of yours.

geoschmo

January 7th, 2004, 06:06 AM

I missed a couple.

New game:
Ratings Bash - Steal Dragon vs Alneyan.

I see you already updated the game between Georgig and Alneyan.

Slynky

January 7th, 2004, 04:13 PM

Also, there was a second person who wanted the Great Experiment 3" to be rated. But I can't find the info. A little help, please.

Alneyan

January 7th, 2004, 04:44 PM

I guess I should not ask such things in mails dedicated to our team game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I asked to be rated in this game, but I don't know who else wanted to be rated.

Slynky

January 7th, 2004, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
I guess I should not ask such things in mails dedicated to our team game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I asked to be rated in this game, but I don't know who else wanted to be rated. I'm confused http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif (not a new thing, mind you). What game are you referring to?

Alneyan

January 7th, 2004, 05:03 PM

Well, I asked to be rated in the Great Experiment game. However, I asked this query in a mail where we were discussing strategy in the Ratings team game. Don't ask. (Hopefully, it will be clear. Hopefully.)

Slynky

January 7th, 2004, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
Well, I asked to be rated in the Great Experiment game. However, I asked this query in a mail where we were discussing strategy in the Ratings team game. Don't ask. (Hopefully, it will be clear. Hopefully.) Then YOU are the one I was asking about. I'll pop you in tonight. BTW, the other is already listed: Gandalph.

Slynky

January 8th, 2004, 01:59 AM

Site updated:

2 games added

Slynky

January 8th, 2004, 02:01 AM

Yeah, Alneyan notified me in email of the finish.

I'll update the site when I get home tonight.

Baron Grazic

January 8th, 2004, 02:25 AM

Don't forget 1 game fished =
SE4 Rated Challenge: Junkyard with victory going to myself over Nodachi

Asmala

January 8th, 2004, 01:18 PM

How the games with more than two rated players are rated?

Slynky

January 8th, 2004, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Don't forget 1 game fished =
SE4 Rated Challenge: Junkyard with victory going to myself over Nodachi I beleive that happened right after I finished the site (wouldn't you know it!) so I planned to update it tonight.

Slynky

January 8th, 2004, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
How the games with more than two rated players are rated? I beleive the answer is waaaaay down in the thread here (on what we finally decided). I've been "slow" to post it on the site since a game hasn't finished yet.

Nodachi

January 8th, 2004, 05:45 PM

Orinally posted by Slynky
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Don't forget 1 game fished =
SE4 Rated Challenge: Junkyard with victory going to myself over Nodachi
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I beleive that happened right after I finished the site (wouldn't you know it!) so I planned to update it tonight.
Actually, that might be my fault, Baron. I forgot to follow procedure and send an e-mail reporting my loss. I was merrily posting it in the RC thread and forgot. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

Slynky

January 9th, 2004, 01:19 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed

Grandpa Kim

January 9th, 2004, 03:21 AM

Looks like Slynky is the first to pass the 1100 plateau. Congrats! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Unfortunately for him, now begins the "Let's Get Slynky Campaign". We cannot allow this impertinence to continue! He will never let us forget he is the high exalted one and we are just rubes!

Let's stop him now, before it's too late!

... Hey! Doesn't he do the calculations himself. Not that I'm the suspicious sort... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

January 9th, 2004, 03:32 AM

Originally posted by Grandpa Kim:
Looks like Slynky is the first to pass the 1100 plateau. Congrats! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Unfortunately for him, now begins the "Let's Get Slynky Campaign". We cannot allow this impertinence to continue! He will never let us forget he is the high exalted one and we are just rubes!

Let's stop him now, before it's too late!

... Hey! Doesn't he do the calculations himself. Not that I'm the suspicious sort... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Just haven't had my share of unbeatable opponents. One of the good things about KOTH and the "Bash", it puts you up against them. But a few below me are undefeated in the system.

geoschmo

January 9th, 2004, 04:22 AM

Put me down as being rated in the Great Experiment 3 game please Slynky.

Slynky

January 10th, 2004, 01:19 AM

Site updated:

1 game added
1 person added to Experiment 3

Slynky

January 10th, 2004, 02:39 AM

(I know you're getting tired of this but...)

Gotcha. I'll post it when I get home from work tonight.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

geoschmo

January 15th, 2004, 12:38 AM

More updates Slynky. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Two games ended:
Rating Bash - Bbegemott vs Joachim
Bbegmott won

Ratings Bash - Primitive vs Gozguy
Primitive won

Two new games:
Ratings Bash - Primitive vs Gecko
Ratings Bash - Tesco Samoa vs Gozguy

Thank you.

Slynky

January 15th, 2004, 01:17 AM

Thanks, Geo.

Before I update the site, I'm having a bit of a problem.

I have a message from Taikon before his KOTH game started saying he wanted to be in the rating system. The KOTH game (with Gecko) started on the 31st. I'm having trouble finding any notification that it was to be a rated game. I can't find it in my mail system nor can I find a message in the forum. So, someone will need to help me out a bit.

This points out the need to email me with information so I don't spend time looking around for it. Of course... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ...if this game was NOT a rated game, then I looked for no reason and, of course I found nothing.

Slynky

January 15th, 2004, 03:23 AM

Site updated:

3 games completed
4 games added

(please review to make sure I didn't miss anything)

Slynky

January 15th, 2004, 03:24 AM

New member added.

Welcome to the Ratings madness, 1FSTCAT!

geoschmo

January 15th, 2004, 01:22 PM

Slynky, rules question.

In a multiplayer game in which not everybody is rated, ie Great Experiment 3, how do you handle it if a rated player combines with one or more non-rated players and achieves a "team victory"?

The way I am guessing is that as long as he is the Last rated player standing, it doesn't matter if he is teamed with non-rated players since they aren't considered for Ratings purposes anyway. Am I correct about that?

And if two rated players team up they will have to eventually fight it out, or at least declare one of them the victor at the end, right? No team victories between rated players? Or have you added some sort of formula for that that isn't listed in the rules.

Geoschmo

Slynky

January 15th, 2004, 03:08 PM

I'd agree with what you have said below, Geo.

For example, there is a Pairs game afoot. Whichever pair wins, there will still have to be a single rated player to be declared the winner. I don't really care if they fight it out or one looks at the other and says, "Well, you are obviously the strongest of us two...I'm not going to waste my time trying to fight you...you win over all."

And in the first example, when we say, "Last Man Standing", we really mean Last RATED man standing. I don't care if he came in 5th place. For rating purposes, if there were 3 other rated players who went out of the game before him, he "won" as far as Ratings goes.

So, does it look like we are on the same sheet of music?

geoschmo

January 15th, 2004, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:

So, does it look like we are on the same sheet of music? Yep, seems reasonable and logical to me.

Slynky

January 16th, 2004, 12:18 AM

We have another new member: Welcome to the Ratings system, Warlord Ragnarok!

[edit] That brings the total to 40. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[ January 15, 2004, 22:20: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Ragnarok

January 16th, 2004, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
We have another new member: Welcome to the Ratings system, Warlord Ragnarok!

[edit] That brings the total to 40. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif Why thank you, thank you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

*Stands up*
I am Ragnarok, and I am addicted to PBW and need other ways to fill my urge to play as much as possible. This was my choice and I look forward to getting my arse whooped.
*Sits down*

Slynky

January 16th, 2004, 03:40 PM

(psssst..., hey, Rags, the 12-step program is located in another thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Ragnarok

January 16th, 2004, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
(psssst..., hey, Rags, the 12-step program is located in another thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) I think it's too late for that myself, Slynky. I'm on step 15 of the 12 step program and I still haven't made any progress. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

January 16th, 2004, 10:18 PM

Site updated:

3 games completed
1 player added to the Great Experiment 3

Slynky

January 17th, 2004, 03:19 PM

Site updated:

1 game added

Slynky

January 18th, 2004, 04:44 AM

Site updated:

1 game added

Slynky

January 19th, 2004, 03:38 PM

Site updated:

1 game completed
1 game added

Slynky

January 21st, 2004, 02:33 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed
2 games added

1 donor added

[ January 21, 2004, 00:33: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Joachim

January 21st, 2004, 02:51 AM

Thanks Slynky for all the work you are doing on the Ratings.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It is contributions like yours that make the SEIV community great.

Slynky

January 21st, 2004, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by Joachim:
Thanks Slynky for all the work you are doing on the Ratings.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It is contributions like yours that make the SEIV community great. Now now, don't start trying to butter me up...you KNOW I'm gonna get you in "Biters"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Tks, though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Baron Grazic

January 21st, 2004, 05:10 AM

At the moment, luck of starting positions within the map can effect the outcome of a game and effect the Ratings.
In future games would anyone be willing to using a custom map that gives both competitors 'exactly' the same start, same number of planets at the same distance from their home world, etc?
I've designed a small map layout (only system and warp points so far, no planets) that could be used for this purpose, but I don't want to waste my time if no-one will use it.
Continue or not?

geoschmo

January 21st, 2004, 05:37 AM

I think it will get used Baron. Probably not exclusivly or anything, people would get tired of it. But someone would used it probaly a few time at least. The UCT tourney had a map like that.

Paul1980au

January 21st, 2004, 05:41 AM

This would be helpful and could be put up for others to download - perhaps if you encouraged others to use it give feedback and discussion with some effort you could get it into wider circulation.

Baron Grazic

January 22nd, 2004, 01:45 AM

I have created a map designed for Koth type games where both players have exactly the same start.
I have created it specifically for Rock None empires.
Below is the stats for the map. The starting planets are in the centre of enter side.
http://clients.net2000.com.au/~xanthea/identical.jpg

The map can be located at PBW in the map sector or here (http://clients.net2000.com.au/~xanthea/2-player-Identical-Rock-None.zip)

It is free to use or change if anyone wants. Let me know if anyone has any suggests.
Thanks.
Baron Grazic

Master Belisarius

January 22nd, 2004, 02:09 AM

Cybersol posted a map to AIs... It would be ok, just erasing the player1 from the corner at the down left.
Here the link: AI Dueling Map (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1053721907.zip)

Slynky

January 29th, 2004, 03:17 AM

Site updated:

1 game added
1 game completed
1 player added to Anklebiters

Slynky

January 29th, 2004, 03:17 AM

I like the idea of balanced symetrical maps. I'd like to give one a try sometime.

Slynky

January 29th, 2004, 03:30 AM

If I understand it correctly, there are 2 players who wish to be rated in Anklebiters:

Loser (who, if I understand it, thought everyone had to agree for it to be a rated game and therefore, assumed it wasn't a rated one)

RexTorres (who assumed he was being rated)

I have no record of a request by either of these 2 to be rated in Anklebiters except for the recent Posts in the Anklebiters thread.

As is the case with games that have already started, allowing players to be rated after the game has started requires an "OK" from all the existing players who are being rated. There are several reasons a person may not want another person to be allowed to have a game rated after the game has progressed as far as this one has. I don't need a reason when you send me your "vote", I just need to know if you think it's OK or NOT OK. I need a vote from everyone who is participating as a rated player.

I will allow a week for the responses for each of the players to come in to me in email. After that, if every rated player has responded AND every rated player says it is OK, I will add either Loser or RexTorres (or both) to the site.

In closing, I would like to remind the players that I post to this thread as a notice that I have made changes to the Ratings site. That means, usually, I have added a game or completed a game. Everyone who thinks they have some kind of activity in the Ratings should check the site to verify information about them has been modified (and modified correctly) when they see such a notice here.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Paul1980au

January 29th, 2004, 03:32 AM

Its interesting this thread - will be interesting to see how it develops.

geoschmo

January 29th, 2004, 03:37 AM

I have no problem with these two, and anyone else currently in the game that wants to be rated if they say so right now. But any longer then this and I think we are too far into the game to start letting people change their minds. I am going to send an email to all the players and ask them to speak now or forever hold their peace.

Geoschmo

Baron Grazic

January 29th, 2004, 11:50 PM

K.O.T.H. Grazic vs Alneyan
We have surrendered to Alneyan. Give the well earned win to Alneyan.
Now my Ratings are starting to level off to where I expect them, not up in the top 10.

narf poit chez BOOM

January 30th, 2004, 02:52 AM

We have surrendered to Alneyan. Give the well earned win to Alneyan.
BORG! THE'RE EVERYWHERE!

Ragnarok

January 30th, 2004, 04:00 PM

Slynky,
I have surrendered to Simplify, so report to loss to me and the win to him.
Great game Simplify! You whooped me pretty badly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

January 30th, 2004, 04:04 PM

Thanks, Rags!

That makes 2 games (I think) I'll have to compute and post tonight.

Electrum

January 30th, 2004, 10:54 PM

Attention Slynky!
Tesco has surrendered to the Electrum in our KOTH game. It was also a rated game. It would be appreciated if you update the Ratings to show the change.
Thanks Loads!

Slynky

January 31st, 2004, 05:10 AM

Site updated:

3 games completed (congrats to all the "new" guys for recent wins!)
1 game added
1 new player: Welcome, Verm!
1 player removed (deleted Deccan from Anklebiter game without penalty since it appears he had to drop all his games)

Slynky

January 31st, 2004, 04:32 PM

OK, OK, so the games are coming in slowly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif .

So, tinkered around with adding an icon to the Ratings site that shows up when you add it as a favorite.

Like I said...slow day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Phoenix-D

January 31st, 2004, 08:14 PM

Have something to do then!

KOTH Gecko vs Phoenix-D 2: loss for me.

primitive

January 31st, 2004, 09:58 PM

And even more http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Add KOTH Primitive vs Alneyan to the list.

Enjoying the cushy seat, Slynky. Keep it warm for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

January 31st, 2004, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by primitive:
And even more http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Add KOTH Primitive vs Alneyan to the list.

Enjoying the cushy seat, Slynky. Keep it warm for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Yeah, I'm keeping it warm for you. And if I HAVE to move down and let you up here, I'm gonna make sure you slip on a mastadon turd http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

primitive

January 31st, 2004, 10:25 PM

The Primitive one keep Mastodons for pets. He knows very well how to step over (or rather walk around) the turds.

With BB in the Bash and the choice of either Asmala or Rex in the final round I was kinda hoping you would take a fast dive.

Please http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

January 31st, 2004, 11:12 PM

Site updated:

1 game completed

Alneyan

January 31st, 2004, 11:32 PM

Do not worry Slynky, for I will obviously stand up to the Primitive and deny him access to your seat, and victory shall be ours in our team game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif But if you cannot settle this little conflict, I might consider taking the chair. *Knowing grin*

No, really, I would be content with going above the 1,000 points line for once, even for a few minutes, it would make my day. Please Primitive, do me this favour. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

tesco samoa

February 1st, 2004, 02:16 AM

Rating Game

Ratings Bash - Tesco Samoa vs Gozguy
turn 21

computer surrenders...

Game... Well we started side by side.. and well i blockaded his homeworld before he could blockade mine.

There were computer players in the game for some reason... Why is that?

so were starting over

[ February 01, 2004, 13:26: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

Slynky

February 1st, 2004, 05:45 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed
3 games added

tesco samoa

February 1st, 2004, 03:25 PM

retract that game from tesco...

Simplify

February 2nd, 2004, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Slynky,
I have surrendered to Simplify, so report to loss to me and the win to him.
Great game Simplify! You whooped me pretty badly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thanks Ragnarok. Great game. I just think that my colony ships were little faster than yours.

I can start new game, if somebydy is interesting in.

Cheers

Slynky

February 3rd, 2004, 01:33 AM

Site updated:

1 game removed
1 computation backed out
2 games added

Master Belisarius

February 3rd, 2004, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by Simplify:
I can start new game, if somebydy is interesting in.

Cheers If you wish we can play.
Think the right topic for this is the http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=010556. Let me know the settings do you want, and we will have fun.

[ February 02, 2004, 23:55: Message edited by: Master Belisarius ]

Baron Grazic

February 3rd, 2004, 02:23 AM

Sorry to point it out, Slynky, but listed under Tesco's games are 2 Rating Bash games.
I think you forgot to remove the - "Rating Bash - Gozguy vs Tesco samoa" game.

geoschmo

February 3rd, 2004, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Sorry to point it out, Slynky, but listed under Tesco's games are 2 Rating Bash games.
I think you forgot to remove the - "Rating Bash - Gozguy vs Tesco samoa" game. No, that game isn't over.
But you do need to take down the "Rating Bash - Georgig vs Tesco samoa" game.

[ February 03, 2004, 00:43: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Slynky

February 3rd, 2004, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Sorry to point it out, Slynky, but listed under Tesco's games are 2 Rating Bash games.
I think you forgot to remove the - "Rating Bash - Gozguy vs Tesco samoa" game. Thanks, Baron but but the game is only listed once in the DB. That's part of the reporting "problem". I copy and paste the report which, when it runs to the second page, carries over the Last record it used. I usually notice them and remove them. I'll get it on the next go-round.

Slynky

February 3rd, 2004, 02:53 AM

Thanks guys...I'm sorting it out now.

(glanced too quickly and didn't notice georgig and gozguy were different names http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif )

I've deleted the game (georgig/tesco) but I don't seem to have a notification of a game ending for them (and it looks like, no computation).

geoschmo

February 3rd, 2004, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
I've deleted the game (georgig/tesco) but I don't seem to have a notification of a game ending for them (and it looks like, no computation). No, you wont. Tesco v Georgig was to be the next match for tesco when he beat Gozguy, which it turned out he hadn't done yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

February 9th, 2004, 02:39 AM

I have gotten votes for Loser and Rextorres to be rated or not rated in the Anklebiter game and the results are all FOR them to be rated. I will add them to the list soon.

Very closely following the announcement about Rex and Loser, Parasite sent an email requesting to be rated in the game as well. I don't have a vote from everyone on him yet, so I'm going to wait a few more days.

Slynky

February 11th, 2004, 04:13 AM

Site updated:

2 games added
2 players added to Anklebiters

(have I missed anything?)

Slynky

February 13th, 2004, 03:09 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed

Slynky

February 14th, 2004, 02:01 AM

Site updated:

2 games added

Slynky

February 14th, 2004, 07:55 PM

Site updated:

1 game completed

Note: only 7 points separates 11th place from 19th place.

Phoenix-D

February 14th, 2004, 07:57 PM

Well, we can't have that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Open challenge to anyone within 20 points of me (947-987). A one-on-one game.

Slynky

February 14th, 2004, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Well, we can't have that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Open challenge to anyone within 20 points of me (947-987). A one-on-one game. Now THAT'S what I like to see...bravery and fortitude!

Phoenix-D

February 14th, 2004, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
[QUOTE]Now THAT'S what I like to see...bravery and fortitude! No, fortitude would be letting the other player pick all the settings. Hmm..sounds fun, actually. Ok, responder gets to pick all the settings.

geoschmo

February 15th, 2004, 01:05 AM

I'll take your challange Phoenix. 986. Just made it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ February 14, 2004, 23:08: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

narf poit chez BOOM

February 15th, 2004, 01:08 AM

you are brave. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Slynky

February 15th, 2004, 05:47 AM

Please welcome Spoon to the Ratings! After he has shown some prowess, he decided to give it a go.

Phoenix-D

February 15th, 2004, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
I'll take your challange Phoenix. 986. Just made it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif And had I not checked the thread.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif What settings do you want, then? And anyone care to host it for us?

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by geoschmo:
I'll take your challange Phoenix. 986. Just made it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif And had I not checked the thread.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif What settings do you want, then? And anyone care to host it for us? <hr /></blockquote>I can host it for you guys if you like. Just give me some pertinent info.

Phoenix-D

February 16th, 2004, 02:37 AM

All up to Geo as I said a few Posts ago..

geoschmo

February 16th, 2004, 04:23 AM

One large starting planet
small spiral quadrant, random map using balance mod. (I'd like to give it a try) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
no ancient, no intel, no mines, no ruins

All else default.

Sounds good?

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
All up to Geo as I said a few Posts ago.. Game up...waiting for "descriptive text" and empires. Good luck to both!

And may I say, the Balance mod by Geo is worth a try...but if you live for more of the chance of exploring and get what you get, I can manage a bit of empire placement (without any system adjustments...just moving each starting position so there are no unfair starts withing 1-2 systems away).

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
One large starting planet
small spiral quadrant, random map using balance mod. (I'd like to give it a try) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
no ancient, no intel, no mines, no ruins

All else default.

Sounds good? LOL...cross posted with ya, Geo.

If you guys are interested...I can do the Balance mod and adjust starting positions. Just so you know (as others have who have had my "adjustments"), I do NOT place the empires as far away from each other as possible. What I do DO is give them what I think is adequate room. How much room is best to be left undisclosed, IMHO, because I don't want the players to "know" they have the whole map to expand in without trouble. This, in my opinion, still leaves a bit of guessing on just how far away the opponent is and just how much expanding can be done safely.

Just let me know.

Phoenix-D

February 16th, 2004, 04:42 AM

Settings are fine. Is the balance mod like FQM or do I need to download something?

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Settings are fine. Is the balance mod like FQM or do I need to download something? It's a mod Geo developed to help balance the game. And it does a good job! I downloaded to take a look...curiosity, ya know. But it does NOT require the players to have it...they just play on it.

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 05:14 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed
1 game added

Phoenix-D

February 16th, 2004, 05:20 AM

Slynky, Geo has sent in his empire. We're good to go.

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Slynky, Geo has sent in his empire. We're good to go. Well, except for a map choice.

While I was waiting for you guys, I rolled up a balanced mod map as I mentioned. It looks to be a bit interesting. I made starting points with some room to grow (but not the WHOLE map!). There are a few interesting links.

But, I'm not trying to push this mod on you guys. I'll be glad to roll up a regular small spiral and adjust the starting points if you like.

Or, just roll that baby up and let luck be as it will. Just let me know. I'm just hanging around to get your game started. Email or reply here.

Phoenix-D

February 16th, 2004, 05:33 AM

roll it up.

EDIT: as in I don't care either way, so surprise us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif If you've already got a map ready that works

[ February 16, 2004, 03:33: Message edited by: Phoenix-D ]

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
roll it up.

EDIT: as in I don't care either way, so surprise us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif If you've already got a map ready that works Working that baby now!

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 05:43 AM

Just to make sure...Phoenix...

This map does NOT use NONE atmosphere. So, if you chose that not knowing what the game map would be, let me know!

[EDIT] There are NO moons!

[ February 16, 2004, 03:43: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Phoenix-D

February 16th, 2004, 05:51 AM

not a problem.

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
not a problem. There she is!

I'll hang around a bit to make sure the game is off correctly.

[EDIT] Changed game to ALPU and 48 hours...kind of the standard for these games. I don't suspect either of you will have a problem doing turns, though.

Good luck (luck?) to both of you.

[ February 16, 2004, 04:05: Message edited by: Slynky ]

geoschmo

February 16th, 2004, 12:37 PM

Well, wanted a large starting planetand got a medium one, but I don't mind playing with this as is. Phoenix has already done his turn, so I guess that means he doesn't mind either. So we can just play on.

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Well, wanted a large starting planetand got a medium one, but I don't mind playing with this as is. Phoenix has already done his turn, so I guess that means he doesn't mind either. So we can just play on. Well, POOP http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif !

Not sure how I missed that...for some reason, my eye just went to the second line and completely skipped the large planet.

Not sure how you build your empire but sometimes, a little bit of how I tweak my empire depends on knowing what my starting planet is going to be (or how many). So, considering it's my mistake, I'd be happy to correct it...I'm home all day today.

Sorry for the mixup http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif .

geoschmo

February 16th, 2004, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Not sure how you build your empire but sometimes, a little bit of how I tweak my empire depends on knowing what my starting planet is going to be (or how many). Ya, I do as well to a point. But not so much so that the empire is useless on a medium world or anything. And considering that both of us are subject to the same starting conditions, I have no problem going on as is. But I also don't mind if Phoenix wants to restart. I'll leave it up to him.

Phoenix-D

February 16th, 2004, 04:46 PM

Actually I didn't even notice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And my plans don't depend on world size either. Especially not with this kind of setup. Just means we won't be able to support quite as large of fleets without more buildup than usual.

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 06:46 PM

Site updated:

1 game completed: KOTH
1 game added: KOTH (Just assumed it would be a rate game, Geo and Asmala http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Actually I didn't even notice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And my plans don't depend on world size either. Especially not with this kind of setup. Just means we won't be able to support quite as large of fleets without more buildup than usual. I hate to have made a mistake that may cause a problem to the outcome of a game. I really hate it!

To explain, at least in my circumstances, I may decide to short my construction ability a bit for other areas of the empire design. That is, IF I know there will be a large world to build my starting colony ships on. I have found myself in a situation where my construction ability was shorted so much that I couldn't build a colony ship in 1 turn on emergency build on a medium world. IF, and I say, IF, either one of you did something like that, it would make a BIG difference in getting colony ships out.

That's why I offer to do the setup again. I don't mean to be pushy...I just want to make sure my mistake isn't going to hamper someone's game plan.

geoschmo

February 16th, 2004, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
That is, IF I know there will be a large world to build my starting colony ships on. I have found myself in a situation where my construction ability was shorted so much that I couldn't build a colony ship in 1 turn on emergency build on a medium world.Yes, I know what you are talking about. And actually, I did someting like that. But I can work around it without too much trouble. My race is very adaptable. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif It's not worth restarting over. Really.

As far as it having an impact on the game, don't worry about it. I am quite sure that I will make mistakes in the game that have more impact on the outcome then what size HW I had. Oh, I don't know, like forgetting to use my first turn research, or something like that. Not saying I did that, but I could do something that stupid. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Slynky

February 16th, 2004, 08:44 PM

OK. Then I will let it stand without any more offers.

Hehe, I know of what you speak. I've not actually ever forgotten to use first turn research but I HAVE forgotten to uncheck the "divide" box http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Slynky

February 20th, 2004, 01:36 AM

Site updated:

1 game added

NOTE: I have not received any further votes for Parasite's inclusion for a rating in the Anklebiters game.

tesco samoa

February 20th, 2004, 11:07 PM

Hi. I would like some players to test out some of the new koth maps i have been working on.

With some of the upcoming challenge games ask to play on a new Koth Map.

Rating Challenge game owners can set the games up with some of the new maps and then you can post your thoughts about them in the other thread. I Have a map pack of some tester maps set up this weekend for download.

IT would be a great help as I am at the big stage of setting up the start positons.

Slynky

February 21st, 2004, 12:45 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed
1 game added

Welcome a new member, Taterbill!

Simplify

February 22nd, 2004, 10:33 AM

Hi there,

Simplify surrender to Master Belisarius.
Thx MB for game.
Why I had a strange feelings that you guess my every (stupid) moves. :-)

Cheers
Simplify

Alneyan

February 22nd, 2004, 11:56 AM

Ratings Bash game Steal Dragon vs Alneyan:

Steal Dragon surrendered Last turn without any explanation after having unable to pull out a turn for five days. I wonder if it was because he felt he was losing or because he no longer had the time to play. As I *think* I was losing (but I could be wrong, if you recall our game Slynky. *Smirks*), I guess it is the latter. I emailed Geo about this in case he has more information about Steal Dragon's status.

Slynky

February 22nd, 2004, 03:23 PM

I see I have some updates to do http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

Master Belisarius

February 22nd, 2004, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Simplify:
Hi there,

Simplify surrender to Master Belisarius.
Thx MB for game.
Why I had a strange feelings that you guess my every (stupid) moves. :-)
Ooops, I posted the result in the other topic.

Originally posted by Simplify:

Why I had a strange feelings that you guess my every (stupid) moves. :-)
I don't think so! Believe just expanded fastest than you and my ships had adavantages in combat.

Slynky

February 22nd, 2004, 05:11 PM

Site updated:

2 games completed
2 games added
Gecko games adjusted (except for Pairs)

Congrats to Alneyan for getting back to 4 digits!

Please review to make sure I haven't missed a game of yours.

Cheers!

Slynky

February 22nd, 2004, 10:36 PM

Site updated:

1 game completed.

Baron Grazic

February 23rd, 2004, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Site updated:

2 games completed
2 games added
Gecko games adjusted (except for Pairs)

Congrats to Alneyan for getting back to 4 digits!

Please review to make sure I haven't missed a game of yours.

Cheers! Gecko is the first rating person to be vanquished in the Pairs game. His Empire had just recently surrendered to his team mate, and then to took his team mates empire.

Slynky - Can you remind me. Do the rating change when the game finishes or as people lose?

Slynky

February 25th, 2004, 03:03 AM

Site updated:

2 games completed

Contrats on Geoschmo and Parabolize to the "land of 4-digit scores"!

BBegemott

February 25th, 2004, 01:38 PM

It might happen that two players lose at the same turn in multiplayer-rated game. What result should they report between themselves?

The logic solution was to take the equivalent from chess- draw between them. It adds 0.5 point for both players W in "R = P + K(W - W')" formula.

Se4 Rating Rules states: "The only requirement is that in a multi-player game, it must be a single victory ("Last man standing"). " But then there is another question. Why it must be Last-man standing, if two players can end up with draw? I think that should be left up to players- they should deside that it game settings dicusion what game they want- team victory allowed or not.

[ February 25, 2004, 11:39: Message edited by: BBegemott ]

Slynky

February 27th, 2004, 01:03 AM

Am I missing any games to post?

Slynky

February 27th, 2004, 01:11 AM

Bbegemott:

It might happen that two players lose at the same turn in multiplayer-rated game. What result should they report between themselves?

I suppose that could happen but I've never seen it. I suppose we have to make an allowance for it, though. The first thing that comes to mind is breaking the tie by who was ahead of the other loser at the end of the previous turn. A draw is a possibility to be looked into.

Se4 Rating Rules states: "The only requirement is that in a multi-player game, it must be a single victory ("Last man standing"). " But then there is another question. Why it must be Last-man standing, if two players can end up with draw? I think that should be left up to players- they should deside that it game settings dicusion what game they want- team victory allowed or not.

Assuming we could agree a good tie-formula, this might be useful. Then there is the problem of a 3-way alliance winning the game and everyone on that alliance wanting a draw (among the 3 of them). I'm in 2 team games now and I have already made an agreement (that doesn't involve fighting) that settles the position of the winning team (if we should be the winning team http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ). But I can understand not wanting to fight among each other.

Hopefully I understand your questions (2 different ones). And it can be discussed.

Baron Grazic

February 27th, 2004, 01:46 AM

Having a Tie is not going to happen in the Pairs Game, because only 1 team has both players as Rating members, and we all know that Tesco & Asmala couldn't win a game even against the AI. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Seriously if they do win, they must deciede who the winner is between them.

Slynky

February 28th, 2004, 04:01 AM

Site updated:

1 game completed

Slynky

February 29th, 2004, 06:55 PM

Site updated:

1 game added

Baron Grazic

March 1st, 2004, 12:29 AM

I hope you haven't forgot to add:-
2x2 Challenge
Challenge: Baron Grazic vs Fire

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Slynky

March 1st, 2004, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
I hope you haven't forgot to add:-
2x2 Challenge
Challenge: Baron Grazic vs Fire

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Seems like I always forget mine http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

Slynky

March 3rd, 2004, 03:28 AM

Site updated:

2 games added
1 game completed (first multi-player game...score not yet computed)

Slynky

March 9th, 2004, 04:49 AM

OK, we need to come to an agreement on the best way to rate a multiplayer game. I re-read the thread portion that discussed it and I don�t think there was a consensus. So�here we go again:

(1) I think everyone agreed a multiplayer game needed to result in a rating that yielded (or lost) more points than a regular 1 x 1 game.
(2) But, I think, most also agreed that the gain or loss in points shouldn�t be so great that it would discourage entry into multiplayer games.

With this in mind, I worked on a formula based on the formula we use for 1 x 1 games and added a dimension to, hopefully, reflect the fact that a winner beat more than one player and a loser lost to everyone. And those in the middle got a variation in between. It goes like this:

4 players (for simplicity sake, all rated 1000). Players A B C and D (who finished in alphabetical order).

Player A beat everyone. So, we average the scores of the people he beat, in this case, 1000. Compute points based on the formula which we all know comes out to +16 for him and �16 for the others. But, we disregard the losers. We only compute the points for player A. HERE is the adjustment: Player A beat 3 other players so we square the number of players he beat (3) to get a total of 9 and subtract the square of the number of players who beat him (0) to get 0 and add that to his score. This yields a total of 25. FINALLY, we add a point for every person he beat (3) for a final score of 28.

Player B beat everyone except one person. So, we average the scores of the people he beat, again 1000, and he gets 16 points. Then we average the points of the person who beat him (1000). He loses 16. So far, he is even. Then we do the multiplier. He beat 2 people, so 2 squared is 4 and then subtract the square of the total number who beat him (only a 1). The resulting score is 3. And we add 2 points (for the number of people he beat giving a FINAL score of 5.

Player C, without being verbose, should be a FINAL score of -2.

And player D should wind up with a loss of 25 points.

This is for Ratings of 1000 (to make it easy). Here, we can see the people in the middle of this 4 x 4 didn�t win and didn�t lose. Hence, not a lot gained or lost. Of course, this changes a bit based on Ratings that aren�t 1000. (well, DUH!)

Let�s look at 5 people and see if the person exactly in the middle comes out about even:

A B C D E (this is the shortened Version and same winning order):

A=
+16 points from rating computation (beaten players)
-0 points from rating computation (players beating him)
+16 points for the square of beaten players (4 squared)
-0 points for the square of players beating him (0 squared)
+4 (for each victory)
Total = 36

B=
+16 points from rating computation (beaten players)
-16 points from rating computation (players beating him)
+9 points for the square of beaten players (3 squared)
-1 points for the square of players beating him (1 squared)
+3 (for each victory)
Total = 11

C=
+16 points from rating computation (beaten players)
-16 points from rating computation (players beating him)
+4 points for the square of beaten players (2 squared)
-4 points for the square of players beating him (2 squared)
+2 (for each victory)
Total = 2

D=
+16 points from rating computation (beaten players)
-16 points from rating computation (players beating him)
+1 points for the square of beaten players (1 squared)
- 9 points for the square of players beating him (3 squared)
+1 (for each victory)
Total = -7

E=
+0 points from rating computation (beaten players)
-16 points from rating computation (players beating him)
+0 points for the square of beaten players (0 squared)
-16 points for the square of players beating him (4 squared)
+0 (for each victory)
Total = -32

Remember, we are using points based on everyone being at 1000. This would fluctuate with various Ratings plugged in. We all see that the winner got about as many points as if he had played in 2 and a quarter games. And the loser lost about as many points as if he had lost 2 games. The others inside are a mixture.

Though not as exact a formula as the 1 x 1 rating, remember, rating a multiplayer game is not ever going to be perfect. There is no way a formula could account for ganging, bad position, etc. With those imperfections in mind, the goal is to come up with a pretty good award (and subtraction) of points for a game that should count more than a 1 x 1 game but not so bad as to deter anyone from joining one.

I know it seems a bit complicated but comments are invited. The fault I see in this is that the winner and loser seem to get a bigger number than the others (of course, this could be changed some depending of Ratings of other than 1000). Or, revisit the thread below to look at other suggestions, too. But we need to arrive at some sort of rating agreement.

Note, this requires the computation to be done after the game has been totally completed (as it relates to rated players).

Slick

March 9th, 2004, 05:02 AM

I'm not in the rating system, just an outside observer. But I follow KOTH and the Ratings site just for fun. After having read that proposal, one thought kept running thru my mind: "keep it simple". Just my $0.02

[edit: Here's an idea. If there were 4 players as you describe, just score it as 3 1vs1 games. A beat B, C and D. B lost to A, but beat C & D, etc. This would mean no new formulae. Yes, it would suck to be D, but he did come in Last...]

Slick.

[ March 09, 2004, 03:08: Message edited by: Slick ]

Grandpa Kim

March 9th, 2004, 05:44 AM

Slynky, essentially, I agree with Slick. Merely treat it as a round robin between the players involved. Yes, you would get larger point swings, but that's the whole idea... at least to me. You play against four others and are out first, you should take a beating in the Ratings! But if you win...!! That's the risk (and the fun) of multiplayer.

primitive

March 9th, 2004, 11:21 AM

Coming 3rd or 4th in a 4 player game is really not that different. It would really make it quite annoying if players refuse to surrender when they are down beyond repair just to salvage some points. With your system the difference between 3rd and 4th position is a whopping 23 points. Well worth to hang in there even if you only own a few rioting planets and some minefields.

A better (IMHO) system would give something like +25 / 0 / -10 / -15.
After all; only the winner is a winner, even second place is a looser.

Slynky

March 9th, 2004, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by Slick:
I'm not in the rating system, just an outside observer. But I follow KOTH and the Ratings site just for fun. After having read that proposal, one thought kept running thru my mind: "keep it simple". Just my $0.02

[edit: Here's an idea. If there were 4 players as you describe, just score it as 3 1vs1 games. A beat B, C and D. B lost to A, but beat C & D, etc. This would mean no new formulae. Yes, it would suck to be D, but he did come in Last...]

Slick. This was the original proposal by myself. One of the good things about it was the ability to compue scores as people were eliminated.

However, some people objected to it because the first person out in a 5-rated-player (for example) game would lose 4 x 15 (to use an example calculation). Some thought that was excessive and might make players stay away from multiplayer games. For my own purposes, it's easiest to keep track of and as long as the person is aware ahead of time what they are getting into when they join a multiplayer game they shouldn't complain if they get "bitten" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

geoschmo

March 9th, 2004, 05:10 PM

I still prefer a method where you caclulate the points lost by averaging the Ratings and splitting points between the winners. It's not as complicated as it sounds when you get down to it.

Five player game:

A B C D E

E eliminated first

E loses points as if losing to one player of a rating equal to the average of the four players beating him.

A, B, C, D gain that number of points split between the four of them. Two ways to do this. Equal shares, or some sort of ratio based on their relative Ratings. The first is easier, but the second isn't that complicated.

Ultimate winner A gains x+.5x+.333x+.25x=2.08x points.

D loses about .75x points.

C loses about .4x points.

B gains about .1x points

One advantage of this is that nobody gets hammered with a 15X drop in score for getting toasted early in a game. The most you could ever lose would be points equal to losing a 1 v 1 game.

Another advantage is the ultimate winner doesn't get jacked up with a 15X jump in scores. The most the ultimate winner could gain is approximatly 3 times the score gained from winning a 1 x 1 game. The actual amount will approach 3x the larger the game gets, but never reach it.

Players aren't incentivised to hang on in a hopeless cause as Primitive pointed out.

Players will be more relaxed and able to play to win, instead of playing defensively for rank and trying not to lose.

Players with good Ratings are going to be ganged up on, that's a given. But this way they aren't unfairly penalized in their Ratings. Otherwise they will probably tend to avoid large games, causing a lowering of the quality of the competition in those games.

And with this method you can also calculate scores as the players are eliminated. Which I agree is important.

[ March 09, 2004, 15:31: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

tesco samoa

March 9th, 2004, 06:03 PM

i like geo's idea.

parabolize

March 9th, 2004, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
i like geo's idea. I do too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

March 9th, 2004, 07:38 PM

I think Geo's idea has a lot of merits, too. I'd prefer to do it with the "straight-line" method (the easier method he referred to), after all, not sure there is any really detailed need to be so careful to adjusting points in a ratio'd manner (I mean, why make sure we give the highest rated player a bigger proportion of the points when HE may be the next player out). And, I've always liked the idea of computing it as a player is beaten (assuming I get a report... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ).

One of the good points, I think, is one of the points I worry about, though. And that is the skew that prevents the lowest finishing player getting points subtracted any worse than a 1 x 1 game while allowing the winner to gain points equal to 2 "1 x 1" games (or even more). While this is appealing to those who fear a person may hang around hoping that someone else will go out a turn before them, this could also lead to people overwhelming multi-player games. After all, you have a chance to gain an equivalent of winning 2 or 3 "1 x 1" games but NEVER having the fear of a loss being any worse than a single "1 x 1" game. In other words, you risk as many points in a "1 x 1" game as ANY multiplayer game yet the fruits of victory could yeild much more in point gain.

I'm not against it, mind you, I'm just listing my concern. If we get a lot of people who prefer this way to rate multiplayer games, this is what we will use. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif