OT: And you thought the world was sane... [Archive]

Tigbit

August 23rd, 2003, 07:27 AM

The kind of world we live in, dude. When a burgler can successfully sue a homeowner for having nailed Boards (pointy side up) at the base of the window he was breaking in. When a kid's parent can sue a verocious dog owner for tearing his little boy apart after sending him in the yard (with signs on the fence stating clearly that the yard contains a bloodthirsty dog) to retrieve a frisbe. When a 16 year old gets off with a finger-wagging after dropping a large rock from a bridge right onto the windshield of a car below on the freeway (BTW, the driver was in critical condition after, yet managed to recover).

Sorry... rambled a bit there. But you get the point. Nothing surprizes me anymore.

narf poit chez BOOM

August 23rd, 2003, 07:35 AM

now the Jews have to charge the Egyptions for 100 years or therabouts of slavery...

shades of 1986 with competitiveness instead of non-competitiveness. next thing you know, it's calorie intake. anyone want a triple-fudge chocalate banana split?

i don't think they should include a word from a gangster show.

ooh-kaay...i don't think their ready...

[ August 23, 2003, 06:38: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Katchoo

August 23rd, 2003, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
shades of 1986 with competitiveness instead of non-competitiveness. next thing you know, it's calorie intake. anyone want a triple-fudge chocalate banana split?Hell ya! Place that bad boy down in front of me and stand back!

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General Woundwort

August 23rd, 2003, 02:28 PM

That Egyptian story sounds like it was lifted directly from The Onion. They've done stuff like that in the past...

Israelites Sue God for Breach of Contract (http://www.freedomsite.org/pipermail/fs_discussion/2000-April/000122.html)

Thermodyne

August 23rd, 2003, 03:31 PM

Until the like minded people band together and create an abrupt change in the course of society, these things will only get worse. Problem is that society is designed to prevent this from happening, we place all of our power in too few individual hands.

Should it ever come to pass��Then the lawyers and politicians go first http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Baron Munchausen

August 23rd, 2003, 05:53 PM

Bah... those Arabs are just playing 'tit for tat' on the lawsuit thing. If the Jews can claim they have a 'right' to a land their distant ancestors occupied 2,000+ years ago, then the Arabs can claim they have a 'right' to compensation for another wrong 3,000+ years ago. Funny in a dark sort of way, but they're probably aiming for a political effect rather than humour. That's clever to use the Torah itself as evidence in the case since it's the basis for the claim on Israel/Palestine as well. The lawsuits of a few years ago over the unpaid insurance & whatnot from the WW II era probably gave them the idea.

How is watching students' weight an 'insanity'? Aren't schools supposed to be monitoring the health and welfare of the students?

Dictionaries don't have to be sane. They just document how people talk and they're doing their job... If the contents of the dictionary are getting weird it's because of people actually talking that way.

Again, this is quite normal. It's our modern world where people don't get married until they're nearly 30 or something (the age of first marriage is still creeping up) that is the abberation. And marriage was a financial deal between families, not a 'love' match. Children would routinely be pledged (betrothed) by their parents soon after being born as a way of forming an alliance with another family. They would be married as soon as possible because lifepsans were short and you wanted the next generation of babies as soon as you could get them.

I'd say only the first item here really fits the 'insane' Category and it's a response to another type of insanity they have been subjected to.

Tigbit

August 23rd, 2003, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
How is watching students' weight an 'insanity'? Aren't schools supposed to be monitoring the health and welfare of the students?A governmental power (be it a country or a school) has to strike a certain ballance between control and freedom. If you have too little control you have trouble, if you have too much control you will have fear. How does a power decide which is which? Do they really care if a certain control is going too far? Well, sometimes it takes the public to complain loud enough that members of the controlling power hear the message.

Yes we are supposed to be concerned with weight, but most of us are not. In a free society all the power can hope to do is show the public what is wrong or damaging to themselves and allow them to change their behavior on their own. Personally I find it going too far to enforce correct eating habits. Why do I think this? Well once a school has succeeded in that they will move onto another personal freedom they feel is damaging and try to enforce that, thinking the whole time that they are doing good, when in actuality they are whittling at more and more freedoms. Little we realize what is happening till it is too late to turn them back. This is why the story falls well in the catagory of insane.

Roanon

August 24th, 2003, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by Tigbit:
Personally I find it going too far to enforce correct eating habits.Especially as it is VERY doubtful what "correct" eating habits are. All this diet stuff, sugar-free sugar, salt-free salt, fat-free fat and other chemical stuff that seems to be so popular among health fanatics in the US is definitely NOT healthy.

[ August 24, 2003, 02:31: Message edited by: Roanon ]

DavidG

August 24th, 2003, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by Tigbit:
When a kid's parent can sue a verocious dog owner for tearing his little boy apart after sending him in the yard (with signs on the fence stating clearly that the yard contains a bloodthirsty dog) to retrieve a frisbeThis guy's damn lucky he only got sued. He should be thrown in jail IMO.

Fyron

August 24th, 2003, 05:14 AM

Why? The kid should not have been tresspassing on his property.

mottlee

August 24th, 2003, 05:42 AM

I worked with someone a few years ago...he had a Rot that was chained up in the back yard in full view and he had to have it put down when some kid took a short cut that was in reach of the chain http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Fyron

August 24th, 2003, 05:51 AM

It is called natural selection. Humans can't escape it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Tigbit

August 24th, 2003, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by DavidG:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tigbit:
When a kid's parent can sue a verocious dog owner for tearing his little boy apart after sending him in the yard (with signs on the fence stating clearly that the yard contains a bloodthirsty dog) to retrieve a frisbeThis guy's damn lucky he only got sued. He should be thrown in jail IMO.<hr /></blockquote>Who's job is it to protect the stupid? After all there was clear indication of the danger. The parent should be sued for negligence and emotional damage to the owner.

Fyron

August 24th, 2003, 08:04 AM

Who's job is it to protect the stupid? After all there was clear indication of the danger. The parent should be sued for negligence and emotional damage to the owner. Nobody! Go survival of the fittest! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Tigbit

August 24th, 2003, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Who's job is it to protect the stupid? After all there was clear indication of the danger. The parent should be sued for negligence and emotional damage to the owner. Nobody! Go survival of the fittest! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <hr /></blockquote>We finally agree on something.

Fyron

August 24th, 2003, 08:41 AM

Bound to happen eventually. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Suicide Junkie

August 24th, 2003, 04:43 PM

City people should all get happyfluffypuppy dogs. Where the worst they do is slobber on you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

DavidG

August 25th, 2003, 04:35 AM

Yea whatever. So I guess all you guys (assume for a second you have kids) wouldn't mind if say your neighbour kept a half starved Tiger in his backyard and thought it was adequate safety to put up a "Warning Tiger!" sign on the gate.

Fyron

August 25th, 2003, 05:03 AM

As long as he could keep it locked up, nope.

Tigbit

August 25th, 2003, 05:18 AM

Fyron

August 25th, 2003, 05:24 AM

Of course, you have to keep in mind that tigers can most likely just leap over normal walls and fences, so he would have to have a much higher fence/wall (preferably a wall). As long as sufficient safety precautions are taken, it is not a problem.

narf poit chez BOOM

August 25th, 2003, 10:13 AM

Especially as it is VERY doubtful what "correct" eating habits are. All this diet stuff, sugar-free sugar, salt-free salt, fat-free fat and other chemical stuff that seems to be so popular among health fanatics in the US is definitely NOT healthy.
seconded.

define fitest. Einstien wouldn't fit into the classical definition, but our world would be a lot different without him. as an addition, i have never met an 'ordinary' person.

General Woundwort

August 25th, 2003, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Roanon:
Especially as it is VERY doubtful what "correct" eating habits are. All this diet stuff, sugar-free sugar, salt-free salt, fat-free fat and other chemical stuff that seems to be so popular among health fanatics in the US is definitely NOT healthy.A lot of the problems in the US on this score could be solved in two steps.

1) Unplug the idiot box.

2) Go OUTSIDE.

Suicide Junkie

August 25th, 2003, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by DavidG:
Yea whatever. So I guess all you guys (assume for a second you have kids) wouldn't mind if say your neighbour kept a half starved Tiger in his backyard and thought it was adequate safety to put up a "Warning Tiger!" sign on the gate.Well:
1) The animal couldn't get out
2) The parent "sending him [child] in the yard"
3) The parent sues.

Sounds like a perfect murder, plus whatever was received in court.

If I had a young child, I wouldn't send him into a construction zone, I wouldn't let him on the roof of the house, and I wouldn't let him roam near Niagara Falls, and I wouldn't let him go into a yard with an unfriendly or unknown dog in it.

Why don't we just put those electric collars on people?
(I tried one with the guys on Saturday; we were testing it, and planning to map out the line with flags. Its fun when you pass it around after being zapped and watching the others get hit too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

[ August 25, 2003, 15:55: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

DavidG

August 25th, 2003, 05:52 PM

Well I guess no ones about to agree with me but I think keeping a dangerous animal in a yard near where kids are playing is criminally stupid. There are numerous 'what if' scenarios where a child could get into the yard. Having a young boy "torn appart" by a dog seems like a pretty harsh penalty for a minor tresspass.
Also seems a bit harsh to call this 'survival of the fittest' Hey we are talking about a young kid here right?
I have kids comming into my yard all the time to retrieve balls. Is it annoying? Hell yes? But I think there are people who seem to think it would be OK for me to say put a board of nails at the bottom of the fence were they hop over. Perhaps I should sit on the deck with a 12 gauge and nail em when then come over?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

As long as he could keep it locked up, nope. Key word locked. Not just a closed and unlocked gate.

Who's job is it to protect the stupid? With the number of morronic parents around someone has too.

[ August 25, 2003, 16:53: Message edited by: DavidG ]

DavidG

August 25th, 2003, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
City people should all get happyfluffypuppy dogs. Where the worst they do is slobber on you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Exactly kind of like this guy: DavidG's Dog (http://www3.sympatico.ca/dgunsten/JERRY256.jpg)
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Omnicron1

August 26th, 2003, 04:37 AM

Well I think two things-- One im only posting here cause i want a promotion and Two:

Criminally stupid is hard to define, putting nails at the bottom of the fence...only if those nails are like a part of your family a part that you fight for and that you sometimes let into the house despite their questionable hygiene. Besides which aren't the parents equally as stupid for not saying don't go into the yard with the dangerous doggy and then maybe trying something many Americans are fatally terrified of Discipline. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Hate to sound like the biracial pentecostal I am but "spare the rod spoil the child" did you ever think that maybe little johnny wouldn't have to have a glass eye if you had just spanked him for trying to cross the fence in the first place instead of saying "I'm very disappointed" the moronic kid has to have a sense of right and wrong instilled into him before you can expect him to care if your dissapointed or not...sigh but alas we've come so far beyond that today we know that everyone is born good, that good is like an instinct...BS good is what you grow up with if you grow up with some smutty mother and drunk father you gonna be one of the two-humans dont have instincts we have the ability to learn hence the weak and dependent state of our young they learn by watching and how you act is how they're gonna act...and if HTML is enabled how come my text won't display red when I tell it to?

Thanks to Pheonix-D for specifying it was brackets

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Phoenix-D

August 26th, 2003, 04:40 AM

Wee! No paragraphs! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Anyway, if you want color, you need to use brackts. [ ] instead of < and >. Goes for all tags, actually.

Tigbit

August 26th, 2003, 04:59 AM

Sorry, DavidG but it looks like you've still missed the main issue of the parent knowingly sending his child into a dangerous situation. Yes all possible precaution must be taken by owners of nasty animals but it is still the job of the parent to instill a healthy sense of self-preservation. Agreed?

Narrew

August 26th, 2003, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by General Woundwort:

1) Unplug the idiot box.

2) Go OUTSIDE.[/QB]My idiot box is my computer, so no, not a good idea to just unplug it, might short out something. and 2, I dont have a lap top, so I have to stay inside and no, I dont have wireless either, I guess I could drag my comp out on the porch, but the glare on the monitor pisses me off, so I keep the curtians shut, nobody knows if I am around, I am quiet, well sometimes my porn surfing will bring a supprise or 2, but thats a different thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

What started all this "I am not accountable for my actions" (in the US that is) is the fault of trial lawyers and the judges that allowed the awards. I admit that a person should have the right to sue, BUT they should pay if they LOOSE. That old lady that got burnt from a hot cup of coffee from McDonalds should never have gotten the large payout she got, should she have had her medical bills paid, yes, but MY GOD, coffee is HOT and your driving a car you dip, not smart I think and if she did something like that, some of the responsibility should be hers.

Punitive damages are outragous as it is, if a company does something wrong they should pay, but it shouldnt be a lotto.

dogscoff

August 26th, 2003, 11:05 AM

The parent should have been punished for negligence for sending the kid into an obviously hazardous situation.

That said, I think there is something very wrong with people who raise dogs to be so savage. What exactly is going on in their troUsers that they need a barely-controllable, snarling, slobbering child-mutilation-waiting-to-happen tied up in their back yard anyway? What's wrong with a nice, friendly, sociable dog?

There used to be a guy across the road with a really vicious alsatian. He deliberately raised it to be as violent and unstable as possible. One day when I was young I came across him and he had his dog on a lead. It snarled at me and I was afraid, and the guy saw this and advanced on me until I was pinned up against a fence with him holding the dog just a few inches away from me, and by now the damn thing was in a frenzy. He held me there for ages. He thought it was funny. He moved house shortly after, never saw him again. I hope the son of a ***** got his arms chewed off.

Another uninteresting anecdote:
Also I did various delivery type jobs as a kid (paper rounds etc) and I remember there were several houses that I was afraid to go anywhere near due to aggressive dogs. Luckily in my case they were always locked up or tied up, but I was always thinking what if it jumped the fence? What if it slipped its collar? What if they forgot to close the gate? What if it bites my hand as I poke the paper through their stupid spring-loaded letterbox? I suspect now that the owners got some kind of peverse ego-boost out of scaring the crud out of little kids. I should have left their damn newspapers in the hedge.

(NOTE- despite the above, I like dogs. I just hate people who own dogs for the wrong reasons.)

[ August 26, 2003, 10:07: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

Fyron

August 26th, 2003, 11:12 AM

So carry a bat... one good thwack and the dog will be out cold. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

August 26th, 2003, 11:21 AM

weight and intelligence to the contrary, unless you carry a gun, i think the advantage still goes to the dog. why? because without training or intense stress our intelligence slows us down and makes us less willing to kill.

Fyron

August 26th, 2003, 11:44 AM

I didn't say kill...

dogscoff

August 26th, 2003, 11:57 AM

weight and intelligence to the contrary, unless you carry a gun, i think the advantage still goes to the dog.
Apparently (I don't know if this is true) you can kill any attacking dog by grabbing it's front legs and pulling them apart. This will pop the dog's heart open. Apparently.

But yeah, even without that (probably untrue) factoid and without a bat or a gun, I would make any dog that attacked me severely sorry. I'm sure I'd end up in hospital but I'd make bloody sure I didn't come off worse. I may lack the animalistic "killer instinct" but 101kg and a pair of size 12 stompin' boots goes a long way to making up for it...

narf poit chez BOOM

August 26th, 2003, 12:22 PM

someone's trying to kill me and has a good chance, i'll try to kill them. why shouldn't i apply the same to large dogs?

DavidG

August 26th, 2003, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Tigbit:
Sorry, DavidG but it looks like you've still missed the main issue of the parent knowingly sending his child into a dangerous situation. Yes all possible precaution must be taken by owners of nasty animals but it is still the job of the parent to instill a healthy sense of self-preservation. Agreed?Agreed. I don't think there is any doubt that the parent was an idiot (Assuming all the assumtions we've made here are true. ie he didn't know the dog, (maybe he did and it was friendly to him) and he could read English, the sign was clearly posted etc)
The parent certainly should not be able to turn this into some kind of lottery win for himself.

DavidG

August 26th, 2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Narrew:
I admit that a person should have the right to sue, BUT they should pay if they LOOSERight on! As a doctor my dad saw many frivilous lawsuits and most of them came from the very poor or the very rich with money to burn. The poor got Legal Aid so they had nothing to lose. The middle class rarely sued because it would cost them money.

geoschmo

August 26th, 2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by dogscoff:
Apparently (I don't know if this is true) you can kill any attacking dog by grabbing it's front legs and pulling them apart. This will pop the dog's heart open. Apparently.
Well, I can't say whether this is true or not. This is the first I have ever heard of it. I suspect it's not something a child or a weak adult could do, unless it were a small dog. Muscle and tendon are pretty tough afterall.

But I guess if you try it and it doesn't work you won't have long to worry about it. If you think about the position you will be in with referance to the dog to attempt this manuver that would put you face to face with him, with your arms spread wide and his jaws a few inches from your neck. And he's likely to be a little ticked at you for spreading his front legs apart. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I have heard if you punch an attacking dog square on the nose its the canine equivalent to the old knee to the groin. That is what I have always heard is the best way to stun him long enough to get away.

But the best way to stop a dog attack is to not screw around with unfamilier dogs of course.

Loser

August 26th, 2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
I have heard if you punch an attacking dog square on the nose its the canine equivalent to the old knee to the groin. That is what I have always heard is the best way to stun him long enough to get away.I don't think there's anything in creation that likes a punch in the nose. It seems we're all pretty tender there. But remember that a dog's mouth-eye coordination is, in all likelihood, superior to your hand-eye coordination. Unless you're a darn fast boxer you're just going to get your fist bit if you jab head on. Try swinging down fro mthe top.

The best time to hit a dog's nose is when he's got his mouth wrapped around something else... like some part of you in most cases, or maybe just your clothes if you're lucky. If you can't keep the dog from biting you, and you can make some choice, try to get your off forearm in his mouth so that the two bones in there are side-by-side, not over-under. Even the strongest-jawed canine is not going to be able to snap your arm in half right away, and this gives you some control over where his head is. You're going to get cut, likely torn-up, but at that point it was going to happen anyway. Also keep in mind that the animal is probably going to be whipping his head back and forth if he's got his mouth on you, and that his neck is about the strongest thing on him.

If you are able to strike hard on the place where the dog's snout meets the rest of his skull you can knock him out much the way a good sock to the jaw will a human. Usually a club of some kind is needed for this, but if you're the same guy who can punch the dog in the nose without getting bit, you probably have enough force in your fist to do the job.

As for the 'ripping their fore legs apart' thing, I've heard this before but have not seen any documentation. It may be true, but if a friend told me that in 'real life', I would level the following accusation at him: "You've been reading things on the Internet again, haven't you." Could be true, though.

All in all, you're better off not going to grappling with any animal, as a human your advantages and strengths lie elsewhere: stand back and throw rocks. Still, the best way to win a fight with a dog is to stay away from the dog.

I could be wrong on any of this, except for the Last part.

Tigbit

August 26th, 2003, 05:05 PM

A few years ago there was this dog that was out-of-yard and came after me accross the street. Well, I kept the lamp post between me and him. This went on for a bit till the owner came out and tried calling the not listening dog off. She said "if you don't run he won't chase you." Well, obviously a bad idea in my mind so I ask her to not hold it against me if I refuse to take her stupid advice. She did eventually get the dog away.

LOL! "Don't run and he won't chase you!"
Can you picture it? Dog on my throat. "You're right!" Gurgle. "He's not chasing anymore!"

Fyron

August 26th, 2003, 09:07 PM

Actually, in cases where the dog is not intent on killing you, just trying to scare you, running is the worst thing you can do, because it will show fear. This could incite the hunter instinct in the dog, making the situation worse. If you back away slowly, in most cases the dog will not follow you. Showing fear to a dog is one of the worst things you can do. Unless you can run faster than the dog, which is unlikely, try not to just run all out away from it.

Wardad

August 26th, 2003, 10:26 PM

Several times during our walks I have had to protect my little dog. My wife was walking him alone one time and had a run in with a pit bull.

Picking up the little dog and holding him up high helps, if help is nearby.

I have had to kick some of these attackers. They are easily distracted by hands. A good snap kick connecting the top of the foot to the bottom of the jaw will adjust their attitudes quickly.
I had to threaten one twice to get him to retreat.
I may have broken some doggie jaws. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

I have found pepper spray to be much more effective and not harmfull. I have even seen it done on COPS against some dangerous drug dealer dogs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Pepper Spray the dog and wait for it to blink once. They become pretty sulky and retreat.
I wish that punk skate boarding kid who lost control of his dog had also attacked me. I should have pepper sprayed his mouth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Loser

August 27th, 2003, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by Wardad:
I have found pepper spray to be much more effective and not harmfull. That answer is much better than my previous.

Ah, the Chemical Solution.

DavidG

August 27th, 2003, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by Tigbit:
She said "if you don't run he won't chase you." Well, obviously a bad idea in my mind so I ask her to not hold it against me if I refuse to take her stupid advice. She did eventually get the dog away.

hehe yea. That's the funny thing about owners of dogs that have just attacked another animal or person. It's always the other guys fault.
I saw a guy on some court TV show pull this one. His large attack dog raced out of his open front door and attacked a small dog on the sidewalk. His excuse?? Well the dog on the sidewalk (walking beside his owner) didn't have a leash on!!! Duh wait a minute didn't your dog just race out of the house without a leash? Oh yes but if the dog on the sidewalk had a leash he would have been OK. HUH??

Kamog

August 27th, 2003, 03:54 AM

According to this article "How to defend yourself against a dog attack" (http://www.dogproblems.com/art48.htm) the best defence is to stand absolutely still. If the dog is trained to attack, then you don't have much of a chance in a fight if you're unarmed. Pepper spray works on some dogs but not on others.

Tigbit

August 27th, 2003, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Actually, in cases where the dog is not intent on killing you, just trying to scare you, running is the worst thing you can do, because it will show fear. This could incite the hunter instinct in the dog, making the situation worse. If you back away slowly, in most cases the dog will not follow you. Showing fear to a dog is one of the worst things you can do. Unless you can run faster than the dog, which is unlikely, try not to just run all out away from it.Now there's the trick right? Knowing which it is. I figure that my throat is more important to me than testing the owner's theory and risking being on the business end of a statistic.

Also do take note that I was rather cool the whole time, and as I mentioned, kept the lamp post between me and the dog. I could have kept that up for as long as I needed. If I had to I could have let the dog tear away at my bookbag while beating it over the nose. But that would have been a waste of energy and I am lazy.

[ August 27, 2003, 04:49: Message edited by: Tigbit ]

Tigbit

August 27th, 2003, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by Kamog:
According to this article "How to defend yourself against a dog attack" (http://www.dogproblems.com/art48.htm) the best defence is to stand absolutely still. If the dog is trained to attack, then you don't have much of a chance in a fight if you're unarmed. Pepper spray works on some dogs but not on others.Tell ya what, bud. YOU stand perfectly still and I'll just keep the animal on the other side of the post okay?

narf poit chez BOOM

August 27th, 2003, 08:48 AM

you can calm barking dogs amazingly by talking nicely to them. didn't work on one dog that decided to follow me and growl. growling back at it worked, though.

uh, it might not work if you don't have a bunch of contained anger and can seriously growl if your upset. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Phoenix-D

August 27th, 2003, 09:12 AM

"Now there's the trick right? Knowing which it is. I figure that my throat is more important to me than testing the owner's theory and risking being on the business end of a statistic."

Regardless if it wants to hurt you or not, running is a bad idea. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Most dogs are faster than you, and the bigger ones don't even have to use teeth to take you down, trust me. If it is aggressive, you're screwed. If its not, you take a big chance of -making- it aggressive by running.

dogscoff

August 27th, 2003, 10:10 AM

Stand absolutely still, eh?

No thanks.

Loser

August 27th, 2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by dogscoff:
Stand absolutely still, eh?

No thanks.Yeah, not only do I second the "That sounds like a bad idea", but I don't think I could do that. I am not naturally paralyzed by fear or lighter levels of anxiety. I make no claim to calm rational behavior in threatened situations, but my natural reaction is active. I also haven't run from anything since I was ten (not in the literal sense, anyway). The part of me that's in control when the stink hits the fan seem to follow the policy "When in doubt, charge!". Any confrontation is responded to with a confrontational response. I do not doubt this could get me in trouble.

That may be one of the reasons I can't keep a girl (then again, maybe I should just stop dating floozies and flakes).

Tigbit

August 27th, 2003, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
"Now there's the trick right? Knowing which it is. I figure that my throat is more important to me than testing the owner's theory and risking being on the business end of a statistic."

Regardless if it wants to hurt you or not, running is a bad idea. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Most dogs are faster than you, and the bigger ones don't even have to use teeth to take you down, trust me. If it is aggressive, you're screwed. If its not, you take a big chance of -making- it aggressive by running.Once again I will mention that I was not running. I was keeping a post between us. I will not say this again.

geoschmo

August 27th, 2003, 05:36 PM

What you need to do if this occurs again Tigbit is ask the dog what it's intentions are. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Tigbit

August 27th, 2003, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
What you need to do if this occurs again Tigbit is ask the dog what it's intentions are. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif LOL

101 ways to get your throat ripped out by an undiciplined animal.

1) Stand still. (It won't attack... really it won't)

2) Grab both legs and pull apart.

3) Try to punch the animal's nose.

4) Ask it what it's intentions are.

97 left to go.... any other ideas? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Alpha Kodiak

August 27th, 2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Tigbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by geoschmo:
What you need to do if this occurs again Tigbit is ask the dog what it's intentions are. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif LOL

101 ways to get your throat ripped out by an undiciplined animal.

1) Stand still. (It won't attack... really it won't)

2) Grab both legs and pull apart.

3) Try to punch the animal's nose.

4) Ask it what it's intentions are.

97 left to go.... any other ideas? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <hr /></blockquote>Perhaps some nice steak sauce around your neck? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Wardad

August 28th, 2003, 01:52 AM

The Difference between Liberals, Conservatives and Texans

Situational Issue: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Liberal Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does this send to society and my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while
he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.

Conservative Answer:

BANG!

Texan's Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click... (Sounds of reloading).

Wife: "Sweetheart, he looks like he's still moving, what do you kids think?"

Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw it too..."

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click.

Daughter: "Nice group, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?"

Kamog

August 28th, 2003, 08:03 AM

More ways to get your throat ripped out by an undisciplined animal:

- Trying to run away was mentioned before.
- Tackle it and try to pin it down on the ground.
- Wave your hand in front of its face.
- Take off your shoe and use it as a club.
- Stare the animal right in the eyes.
- Make cat noises.
- Try to jump over the animal.
- Throw dirt in the animal's eyes.
- Scream as loud as you can.
- Shake your fist at it.
- Try to get it into a half nelson.
- Grab the animal's tail.

narf poit chez BOOM

August 28th, 2003, 10:41 AM

well, i'm a bit of a conservative and not a texan, but i'm going to bang bang bang until it clicks.

Phoenix-D

August 29th, 2003, 01:21 AM

I'm not either, but I go bang until he stops moving. Or until I wound him to the point where he can't walk, same difference..

Kamog

August 29th, 2003, 06:23 AM

I'll probably just go bang, unless I miss.

Alpha Kodiak

August 29th, 2003, 07:15 AM

A conservative who is trained in self defense would go "BANG BANG", pause to determine if the target was still a threat, then go "BANG BANG"" again if it was. Always double tap, because, contrary to Holywood, a hit from a single handgun bullet is not usually sufficient to stop a person instantly, unless it hits something like the brain or the spine.

narf poit chez BOOM

August 29th, 2003, 08:23 AM

well, i'm not trained in self defence. but i'm pretty sure i'd still bang until it clicks. unless i was thinking there might be another one, in which case i'd just bang until the person falls down.

Tigbit

August 29th, 2003, 08:36 AM

A soldier would go "BANG... BANG, BANG." One in the head and two in the heart. Then walk away rightfully confident that the piece of refuse would never bother anyone again.

Atrocities

August 29th, 2003, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Tigbit:
A soldier would go "BANG... BANG, BANG." One in the head and two in the heart. Then walk away rightfully confident that the piece of refuse would never bother anyone again.No that is an interesting thought.

dogscoff

August 29th, 2003, 10:30 AM

Just to put an alternative liberal point of view across...

Situational Issue: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a carnivorous rigellian Nurk-beast with a slavering mouth full of razor sharp teeth comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams "glurp norp gappagappgappgapp SchleeeE!*" and charges. You happen to know that the only thing capable of stopping a carnivorous rigellian Nurk-beast is a large lump of uranium 232.

Clear evidence, I think, for the general public to be allowed access to as much uranium 232 as they like.

Seriously, a random encounter with a frenzied knife-wielding killer is so unlikely as to be virtually negligible. I'd call it paranoid scaremongering.
But ignoring that for a minute, if you have a gun, why doesn't the maniac? Why didn't he just hide in a bush and kill you all from cover? Just because because he's a bloodthirsty ******* doesn't mean he's stupid enough to paint a target on his chest and give you a fighting chance. (Think "Washington sniper")

(*roughly translated: "Moist and fleshy meat-bags, I devour you in the name of SchleeeE the Digestor!")

[ August 29, 2003, 09:30: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

Wardad

August 29th, 2003, 05:42 PM

LOL!!!!
Dogscoff, that's the best reply yet!

Jack Simth

August 29th, 2003, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by dogscoff:
Seriously, a random encounter with a frenzied knife-wielding killer is so unlikely as to be virtually negligible. I'd call it paranoid scaremongering. The specifics are somewhat contrived, about on par with being killed in a car accident as a pedestrian, but it strikes me as more of a joke and a comment on stereotypes of people's thoughts on the matter rather than an actual argument. Such contrived situations simply make it mostly morally unambiguous, so that it is easier to make fun of the target(s).

If you want something slightly more realistic, and hence closer to an argument, try a different situation.
Suppose for a moment that you are a drug addict turned thief to get money for your next fix. There are several houses on the street, all with silent alarms (but you know how to stop those; just cut the phone line - easy). However, you happen to have some intel about these houses (now it starts to get slightly contrived); you checked the local gun registries under the freedom of information act, and so you know which houses have firearms (it's also a very law-abiding place; anyone with firearms will have them registered - more contrived now, I know). It's a fairly ritzy neigborhood; most will have dvd players, jewelry, or other rather valuable, readily hawkable items. You'd wait till everyone was away at work, but you need your fix now; everyone's at home, probably asleep. You don't have a gun (if you did, you'd hawk it for fix money), but do have a kitchen knife. Which houses are you more likely to burgle: the ones you know have guns or the ones you know don't?

While individually the circumstances for such scenarios are usually a bit contrived, it is a fairly simple matter to come up with many such scenerios, and the collective probability (the chance of at least one of them) becomes reasonable.

DavidG

August 29th, 2003, 10:49 PM

Jack: just a bit contrived???

[ August 29, 2003, 21:49: Message edited by: DavidG ]

Gozra

August 29th, 2003, 11:30 PM

Mr. Smith
I have noted that your replies are thoughful and thought provoking. But this Forum is Serious about Space Empires the Game from Malfador. And I have noticed that on just about every other topic except serious OT's about news events and real world topics most of it is Humor. I have been following this thread for a few days and have enjoyed the humor posted by the other folks on this thread. Your post on the other hand takes an almost compleatly serious tone to the joking tone of this thread is this your intent?

Oh and having been a drug crazed addict at one time I would choose the nearest most darkened house with out regard to any information I have and hope to brazen my way through any adverse situation I may find myself. After all getting a fix is of paramount importance irregardless of any danger.

Jack Simth

August 29th, 2003, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by DavidG:
Jack: just a bit contrived???Contrived isn't a concrete term; there is no defining probability line where you can say "this is not contrived, this is slightly contrived, this is contrived, this is very contrived, this is totally contrived, I didn't think it was possible to get a situation this contrived," lines between those are essentially matters of opinion. You have a different opinion on where such lines ought to be drawn. I have a slight tendancy for understatement. No matter.

Loser

August 30th, 2003, 01:33 AM

A nice quote from a friend of mine who, after reading this, has decided that he might be a Liberal. Shoot out the kneecaps.
I'm an expert shot after all.

It looks like I'm a liberal. Oh well.
(The whole, "I guess I'm a Liberal" thing has more to do with how this question relates to a real world situation, and my actions in it, that we have discussed at length.)

[ August 29, 2003, 12:34: Message edited by: Loser ]

DavidG

August 30th, 2003, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by Jack Simth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DavidG:
Jack: just a bit contrived???Contrived isn't a concrete term; there is no defining probability line where you can say "this is not contrived, this is slightly contrived, this is contrived, this is very contrived, this is totally contrived, I didn't think it was possible to get a situation this contrived," lines between those are essentially matters of opinion. You have a different opinion on where such lines ought to be drawn. I have a slight tendancy for understatement. No matter.<hr /></blockquote>Yea OK. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif Read Gozra's reply.

Jack Simth

August 30th, 2003, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by Gozra:
Mr. Smith
I have noted that your replies are thoughful and thought provoking. But this Forum is Serious about Space Empires the Game from Malfador. And I have noticed that on just about every other topic except serious OT's about news events and real world topics most of it is Humor. I have been following this thread for a few days and have enjoyed the humor posted by the other folks on this thread. Your post on the other hand takes an almost compleatly serious tone to the joking tone of this thread is this your intent?
Sorry - I was just responding to Dogscoff's apparent criticism of the scenerio; I didn't intend to change the tone of the thread, but I'm not the best at humor, and I suppose I did accidentally do so. Originally posted by Gozra:
Oh and having been a drug crazed addict at one time I would choose the nearest most darkened house with out regard to any information I have and hope to brazen my way through any adverse situation I may find myself. After all getting a fix is of paramount importance irregardless of any danger.So the flaw in my scenerio was assuming that an addict would take the time to think about it and cross the street? Good to know.

Congratulations on getting out from under that addiction.

... and I'm coming up empty on how to make this even slightly humorous. Ahh well, there's always next time.

narf poit chez BOOM

August 30th, 2003, 07:52 AM

if i was going to rob somebody, i'd use a rag and some chloroform. does that make me a liberal?

Raging Deadstar

August 30th, 2003, 08:57 AM

No sorry narf, it makes you spin doctor who works for a politician, we all know politics is cloack and dagger and subtle methods. Anyway we know for a fact spin doctors drink chloroform as a beverage http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Now, if anyone knows what i'd be if i caused somebody death by laxative? apart from a murderer with a bad sense of humour?

narf poit chez BOOM

August 30th, 2003, 09:05 AM

spin doctor in what way? because i'm robbing them nicely? i am nice. unless provoked.

Tigbit

August 30th, 2003, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by Raging Deadstar:
Now, if anyone knows what i'd be if i caused somebody death by laxative?One really sick person. http://www.meicosoft.com/bb/images/smiles/icon_images/icons/shocked.gif

Jack Simth

August 30th, 2003, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Raging Deadstar:
Now, if anyone knows what i'd be if i caused somebody death by laxative?Napoleon Bonaparte's killer? (http://ask.elibrary.com/login.asp?c=&host=ask%2Eelibrary%2Ecom&script=%2Fgetdoc%2Easp&query=refid%3Dovfast1%26querydocid%3D29236589%40ur n%3Abigchalk%3AUS%3BLib%26dtype%3D0%7E0)

Gozra

August 31st, 2003, 02:24 AM

A ****ty killer?
A Metamucil murder?
An exlax executioner?

tesco samoa

September 1st, 2003, 11:31 PM

anyone been following the strange story in PA.

The one where the Pizza guy was was forced to rob banks and had bombs straped to himself ( he died )
http://www.35wsee.com/news2a.cfm?more=4996&Category=1&news=fullstory
and now it gets even stranger...

http://www.35wsee.com/news2a.cfm?more=5004&Category=1&news=fullstory

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-08-31-coworker_x.htm

dogscoff

September 2nd, 2003, 10:49 AM

Suppose for a moment that you are a drug addict turned thief to get money for your next fix ... you checked the local gun registries under the freedom of information act ... You'd wait till everyone was away at work ...
Well, I'm happy to report that unless this country changes very radically I'll never have to worry about keeping up with the Jones' in a domestic arms race, because as far as I know none of my neighbours have guns.
And even if they did, I don't think just any member of the public would be able to go and browse the local firearms registry to find out.
And even if they could, I doubt a junkie as desperate as the one you describe would have the patience to take the time and trouble to carefully carry out such research if he were unable to wait until one of the places was empty. People in that state don't make reasoned, informed decisions and weigh up the risks. They'll just go for the nearest & quickest (not necessarily the safest or easiest) source of cash.

EDIT: That pizza-delivery death is just... wierd. I hope that idea doesn't catch on.

[ September 02, 2003, 09:52: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

Wardad

September 3rd, 2003, 07:07 PM

For those wishing to show their support!!!

http://www.arnold-2003.com/

EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro

September 3rd, 2003, 08:15 PM

So, what did they do with the undelivered pizzas?
Entered as evidence? Did the customers get them for free?

I had a great idea for a pizza delivery business:
Mussolini's Domination Pizza. They race around town in Fiats and you don't have to open the door 'cuz they'll kick it in. The delivery drivers wear black shirts and there is only one flavor. And if the driver is late we'll shoot em. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Seriously though people being forced to commit crimes could become a disturbing trend. Johnny Depp did a movie where he was being coerced into assasinating the Gov of CA or else Christopher Walken would kill his daughter.

Wardad

September 9th, 2003, 06:29 PM

This is totally insane...

Check out the naked police Calendar!!!

http://www.richstevens.com/NAKED.swf

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Loser

September 9th, 2003, 06:53 PM

That was great, Wardad.

But you need to put an epliepsy alert on that link.

EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro

September 9th, 2003, 08:43 PM

Got this somewhere off the internet.
How can the world be sane when:

The best golfer is African American
the best rapper is a white man
France accuses the U.S. of being rude (sorry unknown enemy)
The Germans don't want war
people like British cooking
and the Swiss have The America's Cup.

I think it's a little dated by 6 months, referring to the early days of this Iraq thing.
Thought about adding something about Brittney and Madonna french kissing but I'm not feeling too creative right now (no Starbucks enema yet).

Thermodyne

September 9th, 2003, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by dogscoff:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Suppose for a moment that you are a drug addict turned thief to get money for your next fix ... you checked the local gun registries under the freedom of information act ... You'd wait till everyone was away at work ...
Well, I'm happy to report that unless this country changes very radically I'll never have to worry about keeping up with the Jones' in a domestic arms race, because as far as I know none of my neighbours have guns.
And even if they did, I don't think just any member of the public would be able to go and browse the local firearms registry to find out.
And even if they could, I doubt a junkie as desperate as the one you describe would have the patience to take the time and trouble to carefully carry out such research if he were unable to wait until one of the places was empty. People in that state don't make reasoned, informed decisions and weigh up the risks. They'll just go for the nearest & quickest (not necessarily the safest or easiest) source of cash.

EDIT: That pizza-delivery death is just... wierd. I hope that idea doesn't catch on.<hr /></blockquote>�Domestic Arms Race� Now there is a topic worthy of further discussion. The arming of the domestic household.

But first we would need to work out some terminology.

What would the threshold for an armed household be? Is a home with a 12 gauge Mossberg and half a box of #8 shells in the closet armed? Or do they need to have some 9�s and an SKS with a belt full of 30�s?

What qualifies as an arms race? If the gang down the street has a few 9�s, and you go out and get a 44 automag, is this an arms race?

What about collectors? Is it a collection, or an arsenal? Is it WW2 artifact, or an assault weapon?

Is a 30/378 Weatherby magnum a deer rifle, or an antitank weapon?

Is FFg propellant for rustic firearms, or a weapon of mass destruction? Is FFFg pistol powder or bomb fuel?

What level of fire power would make a home into a super power?

What would distance thresholds for weapons classes be? House to house, block to block, trans-neighborhood. And let�s not forget the mobile-automobile-deployable class of weapons. I guess we need to classify biologic weapons too. They could range from point defense (chained up dog) all they way to germ warfare (14 year old with daughter with mono) And we should also add psyco stuff too (loud stereos and teenage gear head offspring)

How much ammo would a house need to be considered a pre-prepared defensive position?

Does a potato gun qualify as artillery? Can a bag full of bottle rockets be considered a MLRS?

Is ammonia and Clorox a WMD? Are a bag of nitrate fertilizer and a can of fuel oil evidence of WMD manufacturing?

Is putting the bug zapper on a tree limb that overhangs your neighbors yard really an act of war?

If your mutt gets to the poodle that lives next door, is it a war crime?

If the mutt then kills the cat next door, can they charge him with genocide?

Should catching the local street gang in a well planed horse shoe ambush with pre-planed fields of fire and a clear open kill zone be against the law?

Should pre-emptive strikes against crack houses include a scorched earth policy?

To be continued.

Wardad

September 9th, 2003, 09:42 PM

Does a potato gun qualify as artillery?

YES!!! Definitely http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

ATF:
"...are not firearms provided that they are used solely for launching potatoes for recreational purposes. However, any such devices which are used as weapons or used to launch other forms of projectiles may be firearms and destructive devices as defined."

http://www.spudtech.com/content.asp?id=13

tesco samoa

September 9th, 2003, 09:57 PM

i think they should ban pools more children die from drowing in pools than from guns each year.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Kamog

September 10th, 2003, 03:00 AM

If you're about to be attacked by a vicious dog, you can shoot the potato gun at it.

Alpha Kodiak

September 10th, 2003, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by Kamog:
If you're about to be attacked by a vicious dog, you can shoot the potato gun at it.However, since you are not using it for a recreational purpose, it becomes a firearm and therefore falls under the rules for firearms in your jurisdiction. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Loser

September 10th, 2003, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by Kamog:
If you're about to be attacked by a vicious dog, you can shoot the potato gun at it.Not unless you first fix bayonette. The potatoe gun is an unreliable weapon in short range. Trust me.

Fyron

September 10th, 2003, 04:17 AM

Then it falls under the... umm... sharp pointy objects... regulation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Alpha Kodiak

September 10th, 2003, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by Loser:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kamog:
If you're about to be attacked by a vicious dog, you can shoot the potato gun at it.Not unless you first fix bayonette. The potatoe gun is an unreliable weapon in short range. Trust me.<hr /></blockquote>Yes, but is it a Russian potato gun or a Chinese potato gun? Bayonettes are illegal on Chinese potato guns. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ September 10, 2003, 06:15: Message edited by: Alpha Kodiak ]

Kamog

September 10th, 2003, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by Wardad:
For those wishing to show their support!!!

http://www.arnold-2003.com/LOL! Those are cool T-shirts. I like the one that says "Vote for me if you want to live!" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Alpha Kodiak

September 10th, 2003, 03:38 PM

Well, you can run an extension from the bottom of the pistol grip to the stock. Then it becomes a "thumbhole" stock and is legal.

Does anyone know the average weight of a potato? We will need that to calculate the muzzle energy of the weapon in order to calculate its probable effectiveness against a charging dog.

dogscoff

September 10th, 2003, 03:47 PM

We will need that to calculate the muzzle energy of the weapon in order to calculate its probable effectiveness against a charging dog.
Hold on, the dog is muzzled? Or the potato?

Loser

September 10th, 2003, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Thermodyne:
But then again there is the problem of the 2.5 to 4 inch barrel.Speaking from extensive experience, I can tell you that the ideal width of barrel for a potato gun is one and a quarter inches. That's if you're buying American PVC of course.

This is a wide as possible while still allowing for the use of the largest number of potatoes. As larger potatoes do not tend toward a sphere, but instead toward ovoid, the potatoes can be cored down the barrel lengthwise, thus resulting in both a large slug and a tight seal.

For greater distances, lubricate the barrel of your potato gun. be sure to use strictly non-flammable lubrication.

For a real challenge, rifle the barrel. The 1.25" barrel.

Never ever, ever aim the potato gun at another person or bombard a populated area. you do not want to explain yourself, and you do not want to deal with the consequences.

Never use a potato gun except in the manner legally allowable in your area.

This Public Service Announcement has been brought to you by The Hacker House: No, We Are Not Hackers.

[Moderator: go ahead and delete any of this post you feel to be inapropriate, not that you wouldn't anyway, 'cause, you know, it's your job and stuff]

[ September 10, 2003, 17:47: Message edited by: Loser ]

narf poit chez BOOM

September 10th, 2003, 08:44 PM

fps doesn't matter for speed.

how about 5 feet per frame at 100 fps? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ September 10, 2003, 19:44: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Fyron

September 10th, 2003, 08:52 PM

feet per second...

narf poit chez BOOM

September 10th, 2003, 09:26 PM

i know. that's why i had http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

Thermodyne

September 11th, 2003, 01:20 AM

Well, in the ad, I saw that you could get a pistol grip. And as we all know, the pistol grip and the ability to attach a bayonet will cause it to be classified as an assault weapon. That is assuming that duct (duck) tape meets the definition of attachment. But it could also be classified as a mussel loader. But then again there is the problem of the 2.5 to 4 inch barrel. I think anything in the muzzle loading 4 inch range would be called cannon.

I wonder how lethal a 4 inch spud would be when launched at over 100fps. Anyone want to do the math?

I guess we should also talk about nail guns too. And let�s not forget that old stand by, the zip gun.

Wardad

September 11th, 2003, 06:08 PM

Butter vs. Margarine --- Wow, the Last line really says it all.

Both have the same amount of calories

Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to 5 grams

Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53% over eating the same amount of butter according to a recent Harvard Medical Study

Eating butter increases the absorption of many other nutrients in other foods

Butter has many nutritional benefits, whereas margarine has a few only because they are added

Butter tastes much better than margarine and it can enhance the flavors of other foods

Butter has been around for centuries whereas margarine has been around for less then 100 years

Now for Margarine...

Very high in Trans Fatty Acids

Triple risk of Coronary Heart Disease

Increases total and LDL (this is the bad cholesterol)

Lowers HDL cholesterol (and this is the good one)

Increases the risk of cancers by up to five fold

Lowers quality of breast milk

Decreases immune response

Decreases insulin response

And here is the most disturbing fact....

Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE from being PLASTIC (this fact alone should be enough to have you avoiding margarine for life - and anything else that is hydrogenated [this means hydrogen is added changing the molecular structure of the food].

YOU can try this yourself: Purchase a tub of margarine and leave it in your garage or a shaded area. Within a couple of days you will note a couple of things - no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it, (that should tell you something) it does not rot, or smell differently.

Because it has no nutritional value, nothing will grow on it, even those teeny weeny microorganisms will not find a home to grow on. Why? Because it is nearly pLastic.

Would you melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Fyron

September 11th, 2003, 07:01 PM

Wardad, what is the source of that?

narf poit chez BOOM

September 11th, 2003, 07:13 PM

in chemistry, one atom can change anything about a molecules effects.

Wardad

September 11th, 2003, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Wardad, what is the source of that?EMAIL GIGO

narf poit chez BOOM

September 11th, 2003, 08:59 PM

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

Fyron

September 11th, 2003, 09:15 PM

What is "EMAIL GIGO"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

Loser

September 11th, 2003, 09:34 PM

Garbage In Garbage Out?

Thermodyne

September 11th, 2003, 09:42 PM

{quote}
Lowers quality of breast milk
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Ok I'm a ban the fake butter fan boy from here on out!

oleg

September 11th, 2003, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Wardad, what is the source of that?It confirms everything I always suspect about Margarin. I need no other proofs. It' just sound right !

CEO TROLL

September 12th, 2003, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
What is "EMAIL GIGO"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif What planet are you from, anyway? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

Fyron

September 12th, 2003, 08:19 AM

Well I am sorry I don't keep up on the trendy lingo... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

September 12th, 2003, 08:42 AM

i try not to.

dogscoff

September 12th, 2003, 10:28 AM

Wardad, what is the source of that?
Was it, perchance, the American Butter Producers Association? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Just a guess...

Lowers quality of breast milk
LOL! I don't know why this struck me as funny, it's just the wording I guess... somehow it conjures up images (in my head it does, anyway) of ppl flicking through "what Milk" magazine, or in a restaurant perusing the Milk list: "I'll have a bottle of the 1997 Jennifer Smith, please."

[ September 12, 2003, 09:29: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

Wardad

September 12th, 2003, 05:41 PM

Damn, you got me with that post.
I got coffee coming out of my nose.

Wardad

September 13th, 2003, 12:54 AM

There is a plan afoot from those Aussies to take over Europe. They are sneaking in, using the problems within EU as cover.
The latest intrusion is a kangaroo running loose in Belgium. Cops had to use helicopters to find it and get it into a zoo.
This is the second attack using kangaroos. There is one running loose in Sweden too. It has never been seen, but it is out there somewhere, just waiting to attack.
Strange how such an animal can travel 600 km in 12 hours. That�s as far apart as it has been observed.

Kamog

September 13th, 2003, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Wardad:
YOU can try this yourself: Purchase a tub of margarine and leave it in your garage or a shaded area. Within a couple of days you will note a couple of things - no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it, (that should tell you something) it does not rot, or smell differently.A friend of mine said that he accidentally dropped a Macdonald's hamburger on the ground and he left it there. A couple of weeks later, it was still sitting there intact.

Jack Simth

September 13th, 2003, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by Wardad:
Strange how such an animal can travel 600 km in 12 hours. That�s as far apart as it has been observed.That's only about 30 mph or so - there are several animals that can manage that - shucks, modern olympic sprinters routinely break 60 mph (for less than a minute, but still...)- why not kangaroos?

narf poit chez BOOM

September 13th, 2003, 07:30 AM

60 mph? you sure?

dogscoff

September 15th, 2003, 09:37 AM

Kangaroo endurance. (http://www.thebigzoo.com/Animals/Red_Kangaroo.asp)

--
"Bed good. World bad."
- Me, this morning.

Fyron

September 15th, 2003, 09:44 AM

Umm... modern olympists might go 20-25 MPH, certainly not 60... it is impossible for a human being to run anywhere near 60 MPH for any period of time (unless you do silly things like have them run on a fast moving automated sidewalk thingie)...

Wardad

September 15th, 2003, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Umm... modern olympists might go 20-25 MPH, certainly not 60... it is impossible for a human being to run anywhere near 60 MPH for any period of time (unless you do silly things like have them run on a fast moving automated sidewalk thingie)...Fyron, what is the source of that?

oleg

September 15th, 2003, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Wardad:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Umm... modern olympists might go 20-25 MPH, certainly not 60... it is impossible for a human being to run anywhere near 60 MPH for any period of time (unless you do silly things like have them run on a fast moving automated sidewalk thingie)...Fyron, what is the source of that?<hr /></blockquote>Current World record for 100m ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

dogscoff

September 15th, 2003, 05:51 PM

(unless you do silly things like have them run on a fast moving automated sidewalk thingie)...
Whenever I see two of those people conveyer things side by side in opposite dierction,( ie in airports) I always want to get a friend and go jousting on them. On bikes=-)

I guess I 've been watching to much jackass.

Kamog

September 16th, 2003, 09:27 AM

In crowded areas, it's faster to walk on the ground than to go on those conveyer things. A bunch of people jam onto the conveyer and once you get on, you can't move. If you just walk at a normal pace beside the converyer, you can go faster than those things.

You can usually get upstairs faster by using the stairs than using the escalator or elevator, too. Also, you get some exercise.

DavidG

September 16th, 2003, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by oleg:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Wardad:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Umm... modern olympists might go 20-25 MPH, certainly not 60... it is impossible for a human being to run anywhere near 60 MPH for any period of time (unless you do silly things like have them run on a fast moving automated sidewalk thingie)...Fyron, what is the source of that?<hr /></blockquote>Current World record for 100m ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif <hr /></blockquote>Hmmm 100m in 9.79s = 36.7km/hr ??

oleg

September 16th, 2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by DavidG:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by oleg:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Wardad:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Umm... modern olympists might go 20-25 MPH, certainly not 60... it is impossible for a human being to run anywhere near 60 MPH for any period of time (unless you do silly things like have them run on a fast moving automated sidewalk thingie)...Fyron, what is the source of that?<hr /></blockquote>Current World record for 100m ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif <hr /></blockquote>Hmmm 100m in 9.79s = 36.7km/hr ??<hr /></blockquote>And that is 23 mph http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Fyron

September 16th, 2003, 09:44 PM

Source of that... umm... go look on google? I don't have a source on-hand and do not care to find one. I just know that humans can not run anywhere near 60 mph (or 30 mph for that matter)... (and assuming what others posted about the world record for 100m dash is accurate, there is some supporting evidence http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ).

oleg

September 16th, 2003, 11:40 PM

Actually, the best mark for human speed are the Last 100m of 200m sprint. Classic 100m results are compromised by the acceleration phase. Still, 25 mph is an upper limit for us.

DavidG

September 19th, 2003, 10:34 PM

Here's some insanity for you:

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/09/19/drunk_driveraward030919

I think Canada must have the most f-up legal system in the world. Some cases that come to mind.

- Gang rape a 12 year old. convicted and sentanced. NO jail time.
- Build the bomb that blows up an airliner. Jail time 5 years.
- Help abduct rape and kill 3 girls - 12 years

Jack Simth

September 20th, 2003, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by oleg:
Actually, the best mark for human speed are the Last 100m of 200m sprint. Classic 100m results are compromised by the acceleration phase. Still, 25 mph is an upper limit for us.I checked; it seems I was remembering falsely with the 60 mph statement; I'd remembered reading about a person breaking the minute mile barrier, but it had actually been the four minute mile barrier (in 1995 by Roger Bannister, specifically). My mistake. 25 mph isn't quite the current upper limit, but it's close to it.

[ September 19, 2003, 23:24: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

DavidG

September 20th, 2003, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Jack Simth:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by oleg:
Actually, the best mark for human speed are the Last 100m of 200m sprint. Classic 100m results are compromised by the acceleration phase. Still, 25 mph is an upper limit for us.I checked; it seems I was remembering falsely with the 60 mph statement; I'd remembered reading about a person breaking the minute mile barrier, but it had actually been the four minute mile barrier (in 1995 by Roger Bannister, specifically). My mistake. 25 mph isn't quite the current upper limit, but it's close to it.<hr /></blockquote>Wow not bad for a 66 yr old guy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif (hehe just kidding he actually did it in 1954)