OT: Hit Movies that Blow Chunks [Archive]

Grandpa Kim

October 5th, 2003, 09:38 PM

We've all seen them: Rave reviews, but something about them just doesn't sit right when we see the trailers. But based on those reviews, we take a chance.... and can't get back out of the theatre fast enough!

Well, here's my top two in this "genre".

The English Patient
Chicago

Feel free to add to this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

DavidG

October 5th, 2003, 09:47 PM

A.I.

sachmo

October 5th, 2003, 10:59 PM

Titanic*

Not a horrible movie, but the hype-to-enjoyment ratio was wayyyy out of whack. And then when it took home Best Picture, I was outraged.

I have to stick up for Chicago, though. I enjoyed it tremendously.

parabolize

October 6th, 2003, 12:04 AM

A.I. was a good movie until steven spielberg got his hands on it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
stanley kubrick died befor he got around to filming.

DavidG

October 6th, 2003, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by parabolize:
A.I. was a good movie until steven spielberg got his hands on it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
stanley kubrick died befor he got around to filming.hehe guess we have different opinions on Kubrick. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif that reminds me on some more candidates for the list: Every movie every made by Stanley Kubrick. (like Full Metal Jacket and Clockwork Orange. and did he do Blue Velvet?)

[ October 05, 2003, 23:36: Message edited by: DavidG ]

General Woundwort

October 6th, 2003, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by DavidG:
hehe guess we have different opinions on Kubrick. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif that reminds me on some more candidates for the list: Every movie every made by Stanley Kubrick. (like Full Metal Jacket and Clockwork Orange. and did he do Blue Velvet?)David Lynch did Blue Velvet. (Now there's a candidate for heavy psychosomatic drug therapy for you...). And I may have to grant you the listing of Kubrick's later stuff to this list, but I would definitely deny you one of his first and best. HINT - a quote from it is in my sig... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

dogscoff

October 6th, 2003, 10:35 AM

I enjoyed Full Metal Jacket. Well, not sure 'enjoyed' is the right word (much as I can't really claim to have 'enjoyed' the Shawshank redemption, but list it in my top 10 favourite films), but it was a damn good film.

Bad films?

Twister: (You know they're evil meteorologists because they drive a black car. Walked out of the cinema on this one it was so bad.)

The Thin Red Line: (Too long, too much angsty inner-monologue, wtf is going on anyway?)

Titanic: Just crap, really. Although you do get to see LdC drown at the end, so it does have at least one redeeming feature.

Anything with Sylvester Stallone in it. It's a sad state of affairs when the most enjoyable film of a person's career is "Stop or my Mom will shoot."

Anything (ie much of Disney's output) that takes a well-loved classic story that has stood the test of time (Winnie the Pooh, Hunchback of Notre Dam, Beauty & the Beast) then inserts a few cute, marketable comedy cartoon characters, lots of inappropriate accents, changes the original ending to bland, generic schmaltz and then flogs the result back to the world (the story's original owners), shrink wrapped and repackaged with a line of franchised Happy Meal toys.

Pretty much anything based on "a true story" or "true historical accounts" if it then goes on to disregard the truth and rewrite history completely.

Anything specifically designed to make small children pester their parents into buying them crap (pokemon et al)

Came across The TV.Cream top100 films list (http://tv.cream.org/top100films/) today. An interesting selection from an excellent website, and no Star Wars in sight. It's fairly UK-centric, but take a look. There's a few in there I'll be hooking out of the bargain bin.

--
If I seem bad tempered today, it's because I am. It's Monday morning, for crying out loud.

General Woundwort

October 6th, 2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by dogscoff:
Bad films?

Anything (ie much of Disney's output) that takes a well-loved classic story that has stood the test of time (Winnie the Pooh, Hunchback of Notre Dam, Beauty & the Beast) then inserts a few cute, marketable comedy cartoon characters, lots of inappropriate accents, changes the original ending to bland, generic schmaltz and then flogs the result back to the world (the story's original owners), shrink wrapped and repackaged with a line of franchised Happy Meal toys.

...

Anything specifically designed to make small children pester their parents into buying them crap (pokemon et al).It must be Monday morning - you're repeating yourself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[EDIT - I'm bucking for a promotion - can you tell? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

[ October 06, 2003, 10:24: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

David E. Gervais

October 6th, 2003, 12:52 PM

My vote goes for "The name of the Rose" (Sean Conery as a detective monk) I literally fell asleep during this movie due to it's total lack of action. (the trailer made it look like it had much more action than what was actually there.)

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Instar

October 6th, 2003, 04:01 PM

anything lifetime, but then again, everyone knows that stuff is usually not so great

Katchoo

October 6th, 2003, 04:41 PM

Dumb & Dumber. Any Movie that can make you *feel* the seconds slowly ticking away can't be very good. Why TBS shows it constantly is a sign of either A) Lack of nothing better to put on, or B) It's really popular down south, which would explain why the Atlanta Hawks suck so bad in the NBA.

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Mortal Kombat 2. If they haden't replaced Raiden with another actor, then it might have made it worth spending the $6 to see it on a matinee show when it first came out. But the acting is worse than the first film (which wasen't absolutely horrible), and even the special effects look childish. Oh, and TBS shows this film often too.

Loser

October 6th, 2003, 04:49 PM

Fargo and Dumb and Dumber are two movies I have never managed to finish. I get this sympathetic shame thing and I just can't watch it.

henk brouwer

October 6th, 2003, 05:05 PM

Fargo is a good movie, my vote for one of the worst "big movies" goes to Cast Away..

Tom Hanks talking to a volleyball... for hours.. about nothing...

Ragnarok

October 6th, 2003, 05:23 PM

Dumb and Dumber is the best comedy ever made, IMO. It's one of those movies that's so stupid it's funny. Which is sometimes the best comedy you can make. Just my overated 2 cents worth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Loser

October 6th, 2003, 05:32 PM

They might both be great movies. I don't know. I can't enjoy them. They hurt my brain.

David E. Gervais

October 6th, 2003, 05:41 PM

Here's a good debate..

"Which of these was the biggest waste of time.. Waterworld or The Postman?"

..strange, for some reason they both remind me of 'Titanic' http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Baron Munchausen

October 6th, 2003, 06:18 PM

Hmm, hmm, can't think of a better place to drop this bombshell....

I haven't bothered to go see any movie in theaters for a full decade now. The Last thing I saw was The Addams Family in 1993. Movies are just so utterly stupid anymore that I don't even want to risk the $7 to check one out. It'll be out on video and/or DVD in a few months anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Chronon

October 6th, 2003, 06:27 PM

My choice for worst movie ever made is Dune (like Blue Velvet, another totally bizarre David Lynch film). But since it wasn't really a hit, it probably doesn't qualify for this list.

So, my vote would have to be Star Wars: Episode One. Talk about a disappointment... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Loser

October 6th, 2003, 06:28 PM

No one mentions Matrix 2?

geoschmo

October 6th, 2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by David E. Gervais:
Here's a good debate..

"Which of these was the biggest waste of time.. Waterworld or The Postman?"

..strange, for some reason they both remind me of 'Titanic' http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif It's funny because I liked them both very much. I guess there is no accounting for taste. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

DavidG

October 6th, 2003, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Chronon:
My choice for worst movie ever made is Dune (like Blue Velvet, another totally bizarre David Lynch film). But since it wasn't really a hit, it probably doesn't qualify for this list.
Heheh I was gonna mention Dune too. Amazaing how such a great book can be made into such a bad movie.

Chronon

October 6th, 2003, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by DavidG:
Amazing how such a great book can be made into such a bad movie.Since Dune is my favorite SF book of all time, I had very high expectations. Unfortunately, I have been disappointed in most films made from good books: the Lord of the Rings, Dune, etc. After reading the bad reviews, I didn't even go to see the Postman or Starship Troopers (two more of my favorite books).

I think most books are just too long for the movie format. The BBC made a pretty decent Dune series, but it took six hours of story to do the book justice. Short stories can make very good films, though. Blade Runner was an adaptation of a short story called "Do Androids Dream of Electronic Sheep?" (I believe by Philip K. Dick).

narf poit chez BOOM

October 6th, 2003, 07:22 PM

i liked the dune movie better than the dune book. why? the book was boring. the movie had big, huge, massive worms.

Erax

October 6th, 2003, 07:23 PM

There's a movie called Screamers that's a pretty good adaptation of a short SF story. In case the title does not ring a bell, the following quote might.

"This is Don Giovanni. Come down. Over."

narf poit chez BOOM

October 6th, 2003, 07:25 PM

that is to say, the worms were the only really interesting feature in either and they were more interesting in the movie.

if you don't expect movies and tv to measure up to books, it's enjoyable.

the series 'jeramiah' has made a good showing, so far, i think.

Loser

October 6th, 2003, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Chronon:
Blade Runner was an adaptation of a short story called "Do Androids Dream of Electronic Sheep?" (I believe by Philip K. Dick).Actually, Do Androids Dream Electric Sheep is a whole novel. We Can Remember It for You Wholesale and Minority Report are, I believe, short stories.

Erax

October 6th, 2003, 07:45 PM

I hated Dune, the book, to the point that I never finished reading it, but this was a long time ago. Maybe I should give it a second chance.

Chronon

October 6th, 2003, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Loser:
Actually, Do Androids Dream Electric Sheep is a whole novel. We Can Remember It for You Wholesale and Minority Report are, I believe, short stories.http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif You're right on all counts, Loser, my mistake. It's funny how PKD is all the rage these days. He was on the fringes in the sixties and was apparently quite bitter about his lack of notoriety. Times change...

[ October 06, 2003, 20:09: Message edited by: Chronon ]

Starhawk

October 6th, 2003, 09:13 PM

Meh...one word. CONTACT :-) worst movie ever made next to Ishtar.

gravey101

October 6th, 2003, 09:15 PM

America's Sweethearts
Star Trek Nemesis

Loser

October 6th, 2003, 09:18 PM

He's not as much of a rage as you might think. You'll still find more of his stuff in a good used books store than in a Big Chain.

Blade Runner and Total Recall are not recent movies. I figure they make a PKD movie every decade or so.

QuarianRex

October 6th, 2003, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by DavidG:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Chronon:
My choice for worst movie ever made is Dune (like Blue Velvet, another totally bizarre David Lynch film). But since it wasn't really a hit, it probably doesn't qualify for this list.
Heheh I was gonna mention Dune too. Amazaing how such a great book can be made into such a bad movie.<hr /></blockquote>Hey, I loved that movie! Granted, I watched the movie before reading the book (IIRC I was eight when it came out) but it helped to shape my ideas of what it is to be more-human-than-human, and fed my burgeoning messiah complex. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif The thought that one could shape the world with a word is a powerful (and somewhat biblical) concept. When I finally did read the book I was bitterly disappointed that the wierding way was so horribly misrepresented. Once I finished the book I vastly prefered the true Version, so much so that I even pursued the martial arts (and some yoga), at least partially, in an attempt to gain some small understanding of prana-bindu. Needless to say, Dune is one of my favourite series.

My, that was a little OT.

Puke

October 6th, 2003, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Erax:
There's a movie called Screamers that's a pretty good adaptation of a short SF story. In case the title does not ring a bell, the following quote might.

"This is Don Giovanni. Come down. Over."the one with the underground worms attacking the trailer park in the desert? i loved that, Kevin Bacon is so danmed funney.. Michael Gross put on a good show too. Oh wait, that was Tremors. Screamers had its good moments, but it was painfully bad in places, too.

block busters that sucked? I hated T3. in fact, im not too fond of most of the recent blockbuster movies. i mean, kangaroo jack toped the charts! granted, there was nothing else out at the time, but it was popular, for crying out loud!

Ran-Taro

October 6th, 2003, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by Chronon:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DavidG:
Amazing how such a great book can be made into such a bad movie.Since Dune is my favorite SF book of all time, I had very high expectations. Unfortunately, I have been disappointed in most films made from good books: the Lord of the Rings, Dune, etc. After reading the bad reviews, I didn't even go to see the Postman or Starship Troopers (two more of my favorite books).

I think most books are just too long for the movie format. The BBC made a pretty decent Dune series, but it took six hours of story to do the book justice. Short stories can make very good films, though. Blade Runner was an adaptation of a short story called "Do Androids Dream of Electronic Sheep?" (I believe by Philip K. Dick).<hr /></blockquote>Starship troopers is a cool movie. Very different from the book (which is good in a very different way). You just have to not take the movie seriously.

Although how anyone can take a movie with lines like:

"You're just a big, fat, BRAIN BUG, ain'tcha?"

seriously is beyond me! Denise Richards attempts at acting are always quite funny too - oh, how I laughed!

narf poit chez BOOM

October 7th, 2003, 07:45 AM

*peers in QuarianRex's ear...*

*...Hey, i can see a light at the end of the tunnel!*

dogscoff

October 7th, 2003, 09:00 AM

Oooohh... contact. I'd forgotten (blocked out?) everything about that. But yeah, now I'm reminded, it really was muchly badly bad. Awful, in fact. One might even go so far as to say "heap o' ****e."

If you hadn't noticed, I really didn't like that film.

General Woundwort

October 7th, 2003, 11:57 AM

My friends and I had a darn good time watching "Contact"! Of course, turning it into a home Version of MST3K helped tremendously. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Starhawk

October 7th, 2003, 06:51 PM

Yeah turning it into a joke fest was the only way I survived that movie http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif most of the people I knew that watched either can't remember what happened or fell a sleep outright.

I wonder if they did something to the film that made it so that it causes blackouts and memory loss? hmmm maybe so you'll forget how bad it was and watch it again?

Yeah the funniest part though was a PRIEST!!!! A FREAKIN PRIEST!!!! that boffed what's her name only an hour after meeting her, not bad for a guy who ain't supposed to have sex AT ALL, he's a man of the cloth you know.....satin, silk, linen you know whatever your bed sheats are made out of he'll be 'in the cloth" ;-).

Loser

October 7th, 2003, 07:02 PM

Was he a priest? I thought he was a preacher...

Am I wrong or are you being romanocentric?

Starhawk

October 7th, 2003, 10:47 PM

Yeah he was a preist....and what is Romanocentric?

Baron Munchausen

October 7th, 2003, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Starhawk:
Yeah he was a preist....and what is Romanocentric?Roman Catholic priests are (supposed to be) celibate. Anglican/Episcopalian priests are not. They can marry. I think 'Eastern Orthodox' priests can also. By assuming that a 'priest' must be a Roman Catholic priest you are being 'Romanocentric'. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ October 07, 2003, 22:06: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

ZeroAdunn

October 8th, 2003, 08:37 AM

Wow, I liked most of the movies listed here. I geuss I just have a bad taste in movies.

The only one I really have to agree with strongly is "The Postman" Which is sad, because it was based on such a good book. They cut out everything! Changed the whole story, and the ending (god aweful) They cut out the squire of sugarloaf mountain!!! He was a pivitol character! The problem is they took the main character and tried to make him something greater then he was. Arrgghhh! What's worse, they didn't even do a good job of making a completely different story, like with starship troopers, they just sort of meandered about doing nothing. And that ending, eck.

As for just about anything based on a true story: Men of Honor, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Airplane!

Of course, I am probably the only person to utter the phrase, "Oh my god, that movie is so terrible! I love it!

Starhawk

October 8th, 2003, 12:46 PM

Oh and another movie that SUCKED was "LOST IN SPACE" I mean it was oooooookay if you let it grow on you but paying to see it was such a waste. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Okay well the term Preist is restricted to catholics (cept for eastern orthodox) Other denominations refer to them usually as follows:

Baptists: Preacher
Others: Minister

Thus the good ol' joke "A preist, a rabbi and a minister walk into a bar." ("Preist= Catholic, Rabbi= Jewish, Minister=Christian.)

There yah go :-)

And even if he was an "orthodox" preist he shouldn't be nailing someone after knowing her for all of one hour http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

[ October 08, 2003, 11:47: Message edited by: Starhawk ]

dogscoff

October 8th, 2003, 02:08 PM

What about vicars? Where do they fit in?

As for Lost in Space... so many plot holes I can't even be bothered to explain them. In fact i think I need to watch it again just to remind myself how bad it is.

Baron Munchausen

October 8th, 2003, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by dogscoff:
What about vicars? Where do they fit in?

As for Lost in Space... so many plot holes I can't even be bothered to explain them. In fact i think I need to watch it again just to remind myself how bad it is.oh... my... god... they exported Lost in Space to other countries? It's a true wonder that we have -- erm, had -- any credibility left in the world even prior to the Shrub presidency.

Season one isn't so bad, but two and three are surreal in their awfulness. Have you seen 'The Great Vegetable Rebellion'???

Starhawk

October 8th, 2003, 11:51 PM

We were talking about the 1997 movie....I think it was 97?

Loser

October 9th, 2003, 12:06 AM

*LOST IN SPACE SPOILER*
Like it matters, but anyway...

At that moment in the film when the spaceship is destroyed and (almost) everybody dies there was a brief silence. It was just a couple of seconds, but the whole theater was quite for long enough for me to to stand up and cheer.

When I sat back down a friend hit me. All in all I think I won.

Loser

October 9th, 2003, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by Starhawk:
Okay well the term Preist is restricted to catholics (cept for eastern orthodox) No, looks like the Anglicans do, indeed, call their clergy priests (http://62.140.207.19/ministry/Professional%20Ministry/Ordained%20Ministry.htm).

Also, though most Catholics are not aware, there are other non-protestant Christian churches, all of which predate the historical foundation of the Catholic church. That is, the adoption of Christianity as the State Religion of Rome.

These would be, among others, the Coptic Church, the Armenian Church, and the Jacobite Church. All of these have priests and bishops as well.

Erax

October 9th, 2003, 09:59 PM

Oh... my... god... they exported Lost in Space to other countries? It's a true wonder that we have -- erm, had -- any credibility left in the world even prior to the Shrub presidency.
Baron, you'd be surprised. We got all the Irwin Allen series down here. Lost in Space, Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage Beneath the Sea (some of these names may be off because I know them by their names in Portuguese), all of which I watched as a kid. We got just about every series that ever was on American television, from the Muppets to Dallas, except the Brady Bunch and Beaver.

Most of the stuff produced from the 90s onwards, like Buffy or Babylon V, is only available on cable though. And cable is still expensive - not horrendously expensive as it was a few years ago, but still expensive - so I don't have it.

Heh, if you had inserted some subliminal pro-American propaganda into those shows back then, you'd have taken over the world without even trying.

TerranC

October 9th, 2003, 11:30 PM

I was so disappointed by Lost in Space...

But then again, Wing Commander came pretty close... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ October 09, 2003, 22:47: Message edited by: TerranC ]

Ack

October 10th, 2003, 04:10 AM

Personally I can't stand Hollywood insider or movies like Traffic. They are pompous, preachy POSs. Or even better, remakes of old classics. The most recent offender is the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Actually a harder question would be to name a recent movie that you WERE NOT disappointed by. It really seems that movies, and music, are being dumbed down to be unoffensive to the widest possible audience. Try a movie like Pearl Harbor where the Japanese really weren't the bad guys, just honorably misguided. It is really hard to make a good movie when the director has no opinion what-so-ever.

narf poit chez BOOM

October 10th, 2003, 05:05 AM

the lord of the rings is good. but it helps that i was expecting it to be at least twice as good as the average movie and wasn't expecting it to be as good as the book...though i was hoping.

General Woundwort

October 10th, 2003, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Erax:
Baron, you'd be surprised. We got all the Irwin Allen series down here. Lost in Space, Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage Beneath the Sea (some of these names may be off because I know them by their names in Portuguese), all of which I watched as a kid. We got just about every series that ever was on American television, from the Muppets to Dallas, except the Brady Bunch and Beaver.Ugh. Why couldn't we export something useful and worthwhile... like football? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Fyron

October 10th, 2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Ack:
Try a movie like Pearl Harbor where the Japanese really weren't the bad guys, just honorably misguided. It is really hard to make a good movie when the director has no opinion what-so-ever.Cause you know that being honorably misguided leads to things like the Nanking massacre and probably murdering more innocent civilians overall than the Nazis did...

Loser

October 10th, 2003, 04:03 PM

gregebowman

October 10th, 2003, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ack:
Try a movie like Pearl Harbor where the Japanese really weren't the bad guys, just honorably misguided. It is really hard to make a good movie when the director has no opinion what-so-ever.Cause you know that being honorably misguided leads to things like the Nanking massacre and probably murdering more innocent civilians overall than the Nazis did...<hr /></blockquote>What really ticked me off about Pearl Harbor is that they weren't even trying to be historically accurate. I read or heard Michael Bay say that if you want to see an accurate portrayal of the attack, go see Tora!Tora!Tora! Why even make the movie then if that's your atttitude?

Also, call me crazy, call me mad, but after growing up watchint the Lost in Space series, I loved the movie. That's the kind of Lost in Space I've been wanting to see for over 30 years. None of that campy crap that the series had, but at least an attempt to put real drama into the franchise. I hope they make another movie.

narf poit chez BOOM

October 10th, 2003, 09:52 PM

I don't think so, hitler was making a concerted attempt to kill civilians.

Loser

October 10th, 2003, 11:50 PM

Check your history. Hitler was focused and that is worth noting, but he was not the only monster.

Hell, forget history. Check current events or the events of the Last two decades. Genocide is still happening.

narf poit chez BOOM

October 10th, 2003, 11:57 PM

yes, i know genocide is still happening. the current comparison is between hitler and the japenese in ww2.

Puke

October 11th, 2003, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
yes, i know genocide is still happening. the current comparison is between hitler and the japenese in ww2.and its not an arguement worth having. suffice to say that the world is an ugly place, and people will continue to do ugly things to each other. nothing will be gained here by inciting people with comments about the behavior of the national socialist party or the largely anti-forigner attitude of the Japanese through history.

This is a perfectly good thread about bad movies, lets take the politics and history debates somewhere else.

and on-off-on topic, the bridge over the river kwai was a crappy movie and a poor historical representation. Last of the Mohegans, on the other hand, was great (though probably had a few inaccuracies of its own).

Starhawk

October 11th, 2003, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
I don't think so, hitler was making a concerted attempt to kill civilians.Uh have you heard of the rape of Nanking (sp?) or what happened to Korea or the rest of China for that matter? Your telling me those japanese soldiers didn't make a concerted effort to kill civilians!?!?!

I personally still don't like the Japanese because even now they are all "We are genetically and mentally superior to the rest of the world." I mean granted Americans can be as arrogant as hell but i've only heard the racicst madmen comment on being genetically and mentally superior....especially when it's usually not even a Japanese scientist that makes the breakthrough it's just someone they funded http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif .

And besides that I've known a lot of Chinese and even some Korean people as friends throughout the years so it kind of sinks on when you hear their parents and grand parents described what happened in WWII.

Anyway....deep breaths....sorry for the rant....hope no one here takes personal offense.

NOW back to movies to bring things back on topic.
YOu know I heard Braveheart was a hit....I was shocked at just how stinking lame and innacurate that movie was I mean come on they made it look like braveheart rebeled against England over a woman...a WOMAN HE NEVER HAD!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif hehe.

P.S. I am an American so I know my country has made mistakes and on behalf of our nation I appologize for them ;-). And assure you the vast majority of us aren't ugly americans.

[ October 10, 2003, 23:43: Message edited by: Starhawk ]

TerranC

October 11th, 2003, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by Starhawk:
I personally still don't like the Japanese because even now they are all "We are genetically and mentally superior to the rest of the world."To be fair, not all Japanese are racists/ethnocentrists. Most Japanese I know and have known never once referred me as an inferior race, even though I'm Korean.

Edit: Since this thread is going off-topic, in order to nudge it back, Let us post about this no further.

[ October 11, 2003, 00:00: Message edited by: TerranC ]

primitive

October 11th, 2003, 01:02 AM

For some sobering reading, check out this link Death tolls (http://Users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstats.htm)

Allthough all numbers are unreliable and metodes of estimation varies (some numbers counts secondary effects like starvation and disease, some don't)

Hitler outkills the Japs 2 to 1.
Lifetime "achievments" of both Stalin and Mao beats Hitlers easily.

Back on topic:
Every movie in history with a roman numeric in the title.
Except: Alien II and III and Mad Max II

Puke

October 11th, 2003, 01:30 AM

oh yeah, no one dies in unfathomable numbers like the Russians. speaking of which, didnt that sniper movie suck? the one about that fictional but widely publicized sniper duel in red square...

i think it was Behind Enemy Lines, or Enemy at the Line, or something like that.

in fact, im not sure that i've ever seen a GOOD sniper movie, much less a realistic one.

Mephisto

October 11th, 2003, 12:55 PM

I think the movie was "Enemy at the Gates". Never watched it, so.

deccan

October 12th, 2003, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Mephisto:
I think the movie was "Enemy at the Gates". Never watched it, so.That surreptitious sex scene with that actress from the Mummy was kind of hot though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

General Woundwort

October 12th, 2003, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by Puke:
in fact, im not sure that i've ever seen a GOOD sniper movie, much less a realistic one.Did you happen to see an HBO movie called Shot Through the Heart (or something like that)? It was a sniper movie set in the Bosnian civil war back in the early 90's.

oleg

October 12th, 2003, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
I don't think so, hitler was making a concerted attempt to kill civilians.So did UK and USA - Dresden for example.

Puke

October 13th, 2003, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by deccan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mephisto:
I think the movie was "Enemy at the Gates". Never watched it, so.That surreptitious sex scene with that actress from the Mummy was kind of hot though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <hr /></blockquote>oh yeah. i liked how they were all grimy through the whole movie, and the people sleeping two inches on either side of them didnt care enough to pay attention to what they were doing. a friend of mine saw the film with his Belarussian girlfriend, and she cracked up laughing in the middle of some dramatic scene, because the cyrilic graphiti in the background read "dog-dick" or something like that.

PvK

October 14th, 2003, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Puke:
...
in fact, im not sure that i've ever seen a GOOD sniper movie, much less a realistic one.How about The Day of the Jackal (1973)?
Unless one considers it an assassination movie.

Full Metal Jacket also has a good sniper episode at the end.

PvK

[ October 13, 2003, 23:57: Message edited by: PvK ]

Puke

October 14th, 2003, 01:48 AM

ah yes, i did enjoy day of the jackal - as well as the more recent bruce willis remake. though i would not consider those sniper movies.. what im looking for is a realistic treatment of long range marksmanship and fieldcraft.

and yes, i understand full well that those concepts dont lend themselves well toward exciting movies.

other hit movies that blew - god how i hated the sam ramie spider man movie! what a turd! bad computer graphics, Mary Jane was total trailer trash, and spiderman whined more than skywalker! i cant figure out why it was so popular! and I usually like ramie's movies, though im probably spelling his name wrong.

narf poit chez BOOM

October 14th, 2003, 05:01 AM

well, i didn't have any preconceptions, all my spare money tending to head to games and books, so i don't have much or any to spare for comics.

narf poit chez BOOM

October 14th, 2003, 07:35 PM

a person's brain distracts them from pain by thinking about trivail things. i can say for a fact that, in the midst of screaming, after doing something that wasn't well thought-out, my thoughts can center on the weirdest thing...even for me...

Loser

October 14th, 2003, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
a person's brain distracts them from pain by thinking about trivail things. i can say for a fact that, in the midst of screaming, after doing something that wasn't well thought-out, my thoughts can center on the weirdest thing...even for me...True, but that is one aspect of reality that leads to poor narrative.

Fiction or not, we are not especially entertained by accurate representations of the 'real world'. (no pun intended)

Erax

October 14th, 2003, 07:46 PM

I think anyone would sound whiney and self-centered if you could hear their internal dialog. Or if their internal dialog were somehow represented in an external way. True, but some superheroes go beyond that. Spiderman is OK on my scale, he feels inadequate at times but always always ends the story coming to terms with himself (as in the movie). The worst offender would be the Cosmic Crybaby, aka the Silver Surfer.

narf poit chez BOOM

October 14th, 2003, 08:16 PM

he lost his entire planet and spent years as a mind-slave to a planet devourer. doesn't he have things to whine about?

*Narf is pulling a Fyron*

Loser

October 14th, 2003, 08:34 PM

Apparently not.

Erax

October 15th, 2003, 01:08 AM

Um... in the comics, Spiderman also whines more than Skywalker. So what's the problem ?

Loser

October 15th, 2003, 01:22 AM

I think anyone would sounds whiney and self-centered if you could hear their internal dialog. Or if their internal dialog were somehow represented in an external way.

This is typically something I bring up when we talk about Rand from the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan.

Erax

October 15th, 2003, 12:04 PM

I never answer Fyron's calls to argument because it's pointless, so I'll do the same here.

tesco samoa

October 15th, 2003, 05:47 PM

Puke. The sniper vs sniper really happened in Stalingrad. The Germans sent in a regiment of their best snipers to take on the Russian Snipers.

There was a russian sniper who actually sniped with an anti-tank gun!

Another one who sniped with a motar.

The duel between the German officer and the Russian happened. As did the love story. But the girl was injured and removed from the front. Years later she finally met up with the love of her life but by this time he had married and had children. The german officer sniper was killed by a sniper named Vassili ( Not the general )

All this took place over a span of about 3 weeks around December of 42.

Hit movies that blow

Lucas movies, anything with will smith. A few of Mel Gibson movies suck but he is such a great actor. Really enjoyed signs and the We were soldiers.

Loser

October 15th, 2003, 06:18 PM

That sounds very interesting tesco. Do you have any links for more information?

gregebowman

October 15th, 2003, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Puke. The sniper vs sniper really happened in Stalingrad. The Germans sent in a regiment of their best snipers to take on the Russian Snipers.

The duel between the German officer and the Russian happened. As did the love story. But the girl was injured and removed from the front. Years later she finally met up with the love of her life but by this time he had married and had children. The german officer sniper was killed by a sniper named Vassili ( Not the general )

All this took place over a span of about 3 weeks around December of 42.

I read the book Enemy at the Gates, and the whole story took only 2 pages in the book, but over 2 hours on the screen. I thought it was a good movie, but I've always been more interested in the Germans vs USA movies that have been coming out since the war started. Good movies like the Dirty Dozen, Kelly's Heroes, the Great Escape, Where Eagles Dare (where's the darn DVD?!!!!), and Battle of the Bulge have always been my Favorites.

Puke

October 15th, 2003, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Puke. The sniper vs sniper really happened in Stalingrad. The Germans sent in a regiment of their best snipers to take on the Russian Snipers.
oh yes, there were really sniper duels in Stalingrad. But you are either a victim of Russian propoganda, popular mythology, or popular mythology resulting from propoganda. attend:

http://www.snipercountry.com/sniphistory.htm#Zaitsev

http://www.militaryhistoryOnline.com/wwii/stalingrad/rattenkrieg.aspx

though the love affair appears to have been real, the duel is a matter of dispute in historical circles. i have never found any credible evidence that it actually happened, and only fairly convincing evidence that it did not. therefore, i tend to sit in the camp that chalks it off as a work of propoganda.

tesco samoa

October 15th, 2003, 08:19 PM

sniper history forgot ww1 Some great canadian snipers from that war. Umm if you can call someone great for sniping.

gregebowman

October 15th, 2003, 08:25 PM

though the love affair appears to have been real, the duel is a matter of dispute in historical circles. i have never found any credible evidence that it actually happened, and only fairly convincing evidence that it did not. therefore, i tend to sit in the camp that chalks it off as a work of propoganda.[/QB]LIke I mentioned earlier, if you read the book Enemy At The Gates, it does mention the duel, although it's very small part of the book. This isn't a novelization of the movie, but a book about the battle of Stalingrad, and was published in the 70's. You can probably find it at a library. My boss loaned me his copy to read. Very informative book about that battle. No wonder Hitler lost the war.

Puke

October 15th, 2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
sniper history forgot ww1 Some great canadian snipers from that war. Umm if you can call someone great for sniping.and some astounding Finnish snipers from the 1939 winter war. shame about that little side show, the allies really gave the Finns the short end.