Attention Modders- Do you like GIANT ROBOTS?!? Well then...

[QuarianRex]

I could use your help. I have been working on a mod that allows you to make your very own GIANT ROBOTs(tm) with which to dominate the galaxy. In fact I am just about ready to start doing some testing on PBW (just in case I'm a little biased on the balance issues) but I have one slight problem... I lack pictures of GIANT ROBOTSs(tm)!

If you are good at 3D modeling, are an anime fan who likes scanning through mountains of stills, of are just a masochist, then I need you!

I need pics for these mech sizes:

MechaSmall
MechaMedium
MechaRepair - has a special mount for the repair bay
MechaLarge
MechaShield - has a special mount for shields
MechaAssault - has a special direct fire mount
MechaElite - has access to both the assault and shield mecha mounts.

I need pics for each race, though only the small, medium and large mecha pics are required. They don't have to be humanoid but they should definitely not look like ships or fighters.

I have some robots aquired from the doga website that I converted to doga3 that I could upload if anyone wants a template to start with. This is what I have been doing though my attempts have been frustrating and slow going. So, in the interests of seeing this mod reach completion, I beg of you, send me your ROBOTS!

[QuarianRex]

Fine then, no one seems to be into the idea of making doga-bots. I can understand that. How about general interest in this particular mod idea? Does anyone here want to see a horde of spaceworthy battle mecha storm across the galaxy shattering all who stand in their path (or, conversely, see them all simultaneously taken out by an unforseen minefield)?

In other words, is there enough interest for me to bother posting this mod when it is (eventually) finished? Or is the prodominant SEIV crowd staunchly against the idea of anthropomorphizing their technology?

Twould be nice to know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

giant robots, sure.

[Ed Kolis]

How are mechas supposed to carry shields and repair bays? Those don't really work on troops... or are these transformer mecha that turn into spaceships and fly from planet to planet? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

space mecha's, of course.

[Imperial]

would be neat to see-- i enjoy all types of mod changes to SE IV--I however am not a shipset desighner (yet)--so i cant help out in the ships. I would try it out though))))).

[Saber Cherry]

This sounds like a good addition to a mod, not a shipset. New "Giant Robot Bays", "Giant Robots", "Giant Robot Weapons", and a "Nadesico High Mobile Civilian Battleship" for a carrier! Obviously, they would launch like fighters, but kick *** in ground combat, as well!

[narf poit chez BOOM]

he's planning on making a mod.

[Ran-Taro]

Well purely depends on how well implemented it is.

If it works good and looks good - I'd download it!

[Jake Monroe]

It would seem someone has been watching too much Sci-fi and Anime. Of course, there is no such thing as too much Sci-fi and Anime.

[Alpha Kodiak]

See if the troop pictures in the Azorani and Namovan shipsets are anything like what you need. If so, I might be able to generate some variations of those.

[TerranC]

Originally posted by QuarianRex:
Fine then, no one seems to be into the idea of making doga-bots. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I present to thee a simple mech I made in 45 minutes:

1066429888.JPG (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066429888.JPG)

If you like it, I'll go ahead and create variations of it.

[ October 17, 2003, 22:32: Message edited by: TerranC ]

[jimbob]

yah, that's a good one!

[QuarianRex]

When thinking about these mechs, think more Gundam and Macross, rather than Battletech. They need to look speedy and agile above all else. Some examples of what I have so far are...

MechaSmall (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436012.bmp)
MechaMedium (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436137.bmp)
MechaLarge (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436170.bmp)
MechaAssault (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436195.bmp)
MechaElite (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436222.bmp)
MechaElite_mini (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436247.bmp)

These are all blatant rip-offs from samples provided by the doga website but I have been trying to do some tinkering using them as a template.

Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
See if the troop pictures in the Azorani and Namovan shipsets are anything like what you need. If so, I might be able to generate some variations of those.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I took a look at the Namovan and their troops look like a good basis for the light Xi'Chung mechas. Could you come up with a slightly more "spaceworthy" Version of them in Xi'Chung colours?

I don't have a copy of the Azorani on my comp and I can't det to either PBW or SOTAS. Do you have a link?

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
This sounds like a good addition to a mod, not a shipset.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm trying to add Giant Mecha to the standard shipsets so that there is more than one race in my mod that can use them. Basically, I need at least a few mechs per race that at least loosely follow the races theme.

Originally posted by Ran-Taro:
Well purely depends on how well implemented it is.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, tis already done (just need some pics) and it's quite well implemented if I do say so myself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Originally posted by TerranC:
I present to thee a simple mech I made in 45 minutes:

1066429888.JPG

If you like it, I'll go ahead and create variations of it.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not too bad. It looks kinda like a Terran or Piundon repair mech. That open bay in the bottom seems like it's made to hold damaged mechs. Knock a few of the gun barrels off and add some kind of repair-type apendages and it would be perfect.

If anyone wants to do the template thing here are some of the Doga3 converted mechs from the website...

Doga3Bots.zip (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066437972.zip)

Just decompress and then put the folder in DOGACGA->data->l3_samp->connection->human->robot folder

The rest should be good as gold.

[TerranC]

Originally posted by QuarianRex:
Not too bad. It looks kinda like a Terran or Piundon repair mech. That open bay in the bottom seems like it's made to hold damaged mechs. Knock a few of the gun barrels off and add some kind of repair-type apendages and it would be perfect.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">1066444038.JPG (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066444038.JPG)

Heavy Repair Rig

1066444215.JPG (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066444215.JPG)

Light Repair Bot

You like?

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by QuarianRex:
When thinking about these mechs, think more Gundam and Macross, rather than Battletech. They need to look speedy and agile above all else. Some examples of what I have so far are...

MechaSmall (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436012.bmp)
MechaMedium (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436137.bmp)
MechaLarge (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436170.bmp)
MechaAssault (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436195.bmp)
MechaElite (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436222.bmp)
MechaElite_mini (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066436247.bmp)
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Those look great. Very... Xenogears. Which, for those who don't know, is the best RPG of all time, the best mecha game of all time, the best anime-themed game of all time, and - quite coincidentally - also the best game of all time.

-Cherry

[narf poit chez BOOM]

by number of people who've played it, the best would be tetris.

[Alpha Kodiak]

Link to Azorani shipset: here. (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1022996021.ZIP)

I'll see what I can do with the Namovans.

[TerranC]

Before I go to sleep, I part you all with this gift;

1066456487.JPG (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066456487.JPG)

[narf poit chez BOOM]

AAHH! scary robot!

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by TerranC:
Before I go to sleep, I part you all with this gift;

1066456487.JPG (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1066456487.JPG)<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That one, I like a lot! Can you color them, or did you already?

[Saber Cherry]

So, um... what are these robots going to do? When they're not protecting Earth from Angels, I mean.

Will they be just like fighters? Or will they actually be ground/space dual-capability units, like Gundams? Is that possible in the current game, to have units that can fight in space and on planets?

[narf poit chez BOOM]

nope. units can only fight in either, not or.

[Lord Kodos]

Seig Zeon! This stuff is great. As you all probably know by now, I am a huge Gundam fan.

Actually, I am a psycho fanatical Zeon fan boy to be exact.

Seig!

Anyway, this is all great stuff there, when my copy of SF comes, I may just make a mecha mod ^__^.

Actually, Rex, those remind me alot of the mecha from the Armored Core series(great games, btw).

Rex, mind if I use those images in LR mod?

Kodos-
High hopes and noble endeavours, did shine through all the twinkling stars. We hold you next to us, the galaxy, so glorious. We'll build with all of our dreams, a new world that bravely gleams. Char is fighting, for our prayers! Char is fighting, for our prayers!

[QuarianRex]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
So, um... what are these robots going to do? When they're not protecting Earth from Angels, I mean.

Will they be just like fighters? Or will they actually be ground/space dual-capability units, like Gundams? Is that possible in the current game, to have units that can fight in space and on planets? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I had this idea before I actually recieved my copy of SEIV. Originally I wanted them to be a cross between fighters and troops, but that was impossible. Then I tried doing a mod where the mechs were basically pumped up fighters but I found that the fighter stacking thing (and the inability to strategically launch fighters individually) grossly unbalanced the game.

Then came drones and I figued that converted drone hulls would be perfect, but the order restrictions were too great. So now they are essentially ships between 30-55kt with intrinsic attack and defense bonuses equivalent to that of a fighter minus max training bonuses, modified for size, tech level etc. The mechs have a max# of engines of 5 (so that the fastest of ships will still outpace them) but bonus combat movement that basically goes up with level (starts at +1 goes to +3).

I have mounts for most components (except those that do not fit with the "Mech" concept such as shipyards and stellar manipulation. This also encourages mixed fleet design) that reduce tonage to 10% and structure/damage/supply to 50%. They also have a special PD mount to reflect the mecha tendancy to doge/shoot down incomming missiles. Other mounts may have different characteristics (like the armor mount that reduces structure to 60% instead of 50%, and various special mounts restricted to certain mech sizes). Over all you have an inexpensive, easy to produce, and agile alternative to a ship based fighting force. The Elite Mecha was designed to be loosely equivelant to a battlecruiser. From my play testing they seem to be quite balanced and fun. But I still want to test it out with human players to finetune it.

Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
Link to Azorani shipset: here. (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1022996021.ZIP)

I'll see what I can do with the Namovans.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Took a lok at the Azorani and I think that they would make excellent light mechs. Could you add in some kind of propulsion components (jet packs, fatter boots, etc.)?

Originally posted by TerranC:
1066444038.JPG
Heavy Repair Rig

1066444215.JPG
Light Repair Bot

You like?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">For a repairbot I liked the first one better (from a few Posts back). It seemes to be more prepared for intensive repair work. As for the heavy and the light, can you make the heany seem less like a walker robot? These are completely spacebound bots and I'm trying to stay away from the groung-pounder look. For the light, it kinda reminds me of a mobile operating table. Can you make it a little more industrial?

Originally posted by TerranC:
Before I go to sleep, I part you all with this gift;

1066456487.JPG
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sweet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif It looks like a Sallegan light or medium mech to me. Could you add a little sallegan colouring and a snazzy rifle or somesuch?

Originally posted by Lord Kodos:
Rex, mind if I use those images in LR mod?<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No problem, just remember to give credit to the artists on the doga website (and you can throw me a little kudos for the Elite Mecha).

Re: Armored Core - Yeah I love that game. I have all three of the PS1 instalments (don't have a PS2 yet).

[Lord Kodos]

The PS2 ones are great, although I was very dissapointed with AC2-AA. It was like a crappier Version of AC2. There are a few reasons, but the main one is that there is no Arena, and since you cant re-do old missions, it makes getting money ALOT harder.

[QuarianRex]

*bump*

[gregebowman]

I'd like to see something like from The Iron Giant. Although you don't know too much about his past or whoever created him from teh movie. I want to read teh book it was based on, if I can find it. Sure, count me in to d/l a robot/mech mod. Just don't count on me to provide any pic files. I'm not that creative.

[Lord Kodos]

I really like this idea so I just figured I would...

BUMP!

And remember kids, when it comes to mecha, Gundam is the best.

SEIG ZEON! SEIG ZEON!

[QuarianRex]

Finishing up the mod will be put on hold for a couple of weeks. I just had to have an emergency move and my high speed won't be here for another two weeks. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Till then I have limited dial-up on a double line that is accidentally being shared with a chatty girl down the street. Regardless of when I try to go Online she picks up the phone every ten mins severing my connection. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Nevertheless, I am still playtesting to work out the bugs and such. If anyone has found any pics and such please post them. I dearly wish to get this mod done and get some outside feedback.

[gregebowman]

I thought I'd bump this up to what the status of this mod is. QuarienRex, whassup?

[TerranC]

I think the mod's on hold, until Shrapnel can get the file upload up and running again.

[QuarianRex]

Actually, the mod is on hold due to my unbearable laziness in finishing the Robot pics. Though I am happy with the end result of a given pic the process of making it is draining and physically painful (somewhat akin to carving out ones own kidney).

Just a side effect of my creative process (or lack thereof).

[Krsqk]

Originally posted by QuarianRex:
Though I am happy with the end result of a given pic the process of making it is draining and physically painful (somewhat akin to carving out ones own kidney).<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ahh, so you're one of those who wakes up in a tub full of ice with those slits in your back and two holes where your kidneys should be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Paul1980au]

I had that happen to my eyebrow on a birthday a few years back (21st actually) lol - a joke from a friend if you want youre eyebrow back please give x person a bottle of black label jim beam he he.

[Imperial]

???

[TerranC]

Well, I'm sorry to drag this really old post up again, but I thought those who had some interest in this mod would like to see a picture I worked on that I planned to upload to Shrapnel right before the upload feature failed.

It's the attachment above.

[gajus]

What about SEV? Anybody know if there are any plans to make SEV incorporate mecha type units (function as fighters and troops) into that? Or possibly the ability to be modded to include such things?

[QuarianRex]

TerranC said:
Well, I'm sorry to drag this really old post up again, but I thought those who had some interest in this mod would like to see a picture I worked on that I planned to upload to Shrapnel right before the upload feature failed.

It's the attachment above.


Hey, thats pretty good. Do you think that you could make a few others to flesh out a race? Which race do you think your bot would be best suited for?

As for the mod, it is still essentially finished but missing appropriate pics ti make it playable (no point in playind a robot mod if you can't see any robots). If I can fill out at least a couple races then I'd like to release it for playtesting to iron out any lingering bugs.

[Fyron]

gajus said:
What about SEV? Anybody know if there are any plans to make SEV incorporate mecha type units (function as fighters and troops) into that? Or possibly the ability to be modded to include such things?

In SE5, you will be able to customize the vehicle hulls themselves. You should be able to make fighter/troop vehicles that can both fight in space and invade planets. How they will be able to effectively land on the planet simultaneously will probably be the issue in SE5...

[QuarianRex]

Imperator Fyron said:
In SE5, you will be able to customize the vehicle hulls themselves. You should be able to make fighter/troop vehicles that can both fight in space and invade planets. How they will be able to effectively land on the planet simultaneously will probably be the issue in SE5...


That would be beauty incarnate.