New PBEM/PBW Game: Adamant 011 [Archive]

Fyron

November 17th, 2003, 06:04 AM

New game using Adamant Mod! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif Who wants in?

This will be an alpha test game for Adamant Mod. You can get the mod from its website. The game will likely be processed manually, so as to prevent having to constantly bug Geo to upgrade the mod on PBW. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

The official game forum was located at:

http://www.spaceempires.net/home/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=14

Please do not use the PBW forum, as I will only look at it very, very infrequently.

Make sure to read the Empire Setup file in the Help folder, and follow the guidelines in it. Specifically, you are required to list all advanced racial traits you chose in the Biological Description portion of your empire file. And, don't take more than one basic race trait (Physical, Organic, Magic) and do not take more than one of the Natives trait types.

No duplicate ship sets allowed. Make sure to select the set you are using when you upload your empire file from the drop down list (even if it is a Stock set).

Population trading is disallowed. You may not trade population with other empires, period.

Surrender is disallowed. Therefore, gifting all of your planets, ships, etc. to another empire, which is an attempt to subvert this rule, is also disallowed. If you happen to see other players do this in the game, tell me, and I will investigate the situation. If this rule has been broken, I will upload an old turn to prevent it from happening, and I will consider kicking the offending players from the game.

If any player misses more than 4 turns in a row without any explanation, then I will kick him/her from the game. I have had problems with players in other games not sending any turns in for weeks, and I don't want it to happen here.

Please do not join this game if you plan on having a massive, pre-planned alliance (including, but not limited to, an alliance of 2 players). This game is not designed for that, and I would appreciate it if you do not ruin it for the rest of the players involved. If alliances happen to be started during the game, then that is not a problem.

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Bug exploits are not allowed. They will be listed as they are discovered. If you are unsure of something, please do not hesitate to ask me about it.

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Starting resources: 20000
Starting planets: 5
Home planet value: Good
Score display: Own
Technology level: Medium
Racial points: 3000
Quadrant type: Something
Quadrant size: Somewhere between 1 and 255
Event frequency: Medium
Event severity: High
Technology cost: Medium
Victory conditions: When it seems right to end the game.
Maximum units: 20k
Maximum ships: 20k
Computer players: NONE
Computer difficulty: High
Computer player bonus: None
Neutral empires: No

Fyron

November 17th, 2003, 08:13 AM

Oh, and I forgot to mention that I would like to try to get this going on a 24 hour turn rate, to facilitate in the beta testing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Alneyan

November 17th, 2003, 12:20 PM

Out of idle curiosity... At what hour would be the deadline in the case of a 24h game? (With auto-processing on that is) I am asking this weird question to know if I could easily handle a turn each day, while the time here is not quite the same as yours.

At any rate, count me in, I should play this game, bar the unexpected that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fyron

November 17th, 2003, 04:37 PM

I don't know. But would it really matter? The hour would be different for any turn that everyone uploads a plr file. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Atrocities

November 17th, 2003, 04:41 PM

Please count me in as well.

Thanks

Alneyan

November 17th, 2003, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I don't know. But would it really matter? The hour would be different for any turn that everyone uploads a plr file. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Yes, you are right. *Grumbles* Forget about my initial question, it was my bad. I confused deadlines with something else that had nothing to do. Then plese count me in. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fyron

November 17th, 2003, 09:54 PM

So that makes it
Fyron
Alneyan
Atrocities

Who else? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Ed Kolis

November 18th, 2003, 02:20 AM

Hmm, I really shouldn't take on another PBEM game, seeing as I'm already in too many in PBW... but who knows how long PBW will be down, maybe it will be down until the end of the quarter... and I'm almost dead in "The Hunt"... OK, count me in! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Fyron

November 18th, 2003, 03:26 AM

I'd like to get at least one player of each race type, and hopefully at least one using each of the racial tech traits, for a broad-spectrum test. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

se5a

November 18th, 2003, 06:24 AM

I have never played it before so I dont know how good I will be as a tester, but you can throw me in as a race that hasent been picked.

Fyron

November 18th, 2003, 07:12 AM

Most of the people in the first test game hadn't played it much either, esp. since there is not yet any functional AI (soon to be rectified http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ). And besides, newbies are always able to catch mistakes that veterans miss. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Fyron

November 18th, 2003, 07:12 AM

So that makes it
Fyron
Alneyan
Atrocities
Ekolis
se5a

Who else? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

SlamrFest

November 18th, 2003, 07:31 AM

ill join if i may.. this would be my first PBW type game ..

Fyron

November 18th, 2003, 07:43 AM

So what kind of race do you guys want to play as?

Don't forget to visit the mod web page. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://adamant.spaceempires.net/ And make sure to check out the few files in the Help folder that I have included in the mod. Suggestions for which topics need help files are not only appreciated, but required. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif Or not... but still, I am sure there are plenty of confusing aspects that as the author of the mod, I am oblivious too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

That now makes it:
Fyron
Alneyan
Atrocities
Ekolis
se5a
SlamrFest

Who else? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ November 18, 2003, 05:44: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

SlamrFest

November 18th, 2003, 11:05 AM

i want the greens insect looking guys .. though isnt this a question .. i should know and u should find out ? ) ..

Atrocities

November 18th, 2003, 01:36 PM

Ticon Consortium, organic based bad asses with a mean blue disposition and a deep understanding of dirty little tricks and mobster style politics. Gun Boad diplomacy is the only diplomacy they know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

tesco samoa

November 18th, 2003, 05:42 PM

i am in again.... i will play what ever setup you want fyron for testing...

Fyron

November 18th, 2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by SlamrFest:
i want the greens insect looking guys .. though isnt this a question .. i should know and u should find out ? ) .. As this is a testing game for the mod, I would like to make sure to get a nice variety of traits tested. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ November 18, 2003, 15:48: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Alneyan

November 18th, 2003, 06:13 PM

I will probably take a Magic race with the Religious traits. Yes, I am quite curious to see how these traits play with Adamant. Do not worry though, there are no Talismans in Adamant so you won't need to crush my Empire in the early game. *Smirks*

(By Talisman I meant the Talisman we all know in the vanilla game. There are Talismans (or are they Shrines?) in Adamant, but they merely give system-wide bonuses.)

[ November 18, 2003, 16:19: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

Fyron

November 18th, 2003, 06:21 PM

ACtually... there is still the Religious Talisman, which gives a 30% to hit bonus. And then there is the Fate Talisman, which gives up to a 20% ECM bonus. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Now, whether those are enough to justify 50 kT size (Fate one probably is) will have to be determined by testing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Ed Kolis

November 18th, 2003, 06:34 PM

Hmm, I think I'll be a Physical race with Mechanoids, and maybe Christullrgy... uh, I need to learn how to spell and stop thinking about the religious trait http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

edit: and I think I'll be something original this time, instead of stealing from MOO2 or Super Mario Bros. or something... yes, I did once play as the "Koopa Klan" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

edit: probably Hardy Industrialists too, or else Natural Engineers...

edit: or maybe Stoic... geez, there are so many, I'll probably spend 5000 points worth and have to take penalties in everything http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ November 18, 2003, 16:40: Message edited by: Ed Kolis ]

Grand Lord Vito

November 18th, 2003, 07:56 PM

Fyron I am going to combine Adamant with AIC. This way the Adamant AI players will have there own trait like AIC so the AI will be able to handle:
Plagues
Economics
Planetary Bombardment
Finite Economics
Planet Capture
Planet defense
Tactical Fighters
Minefields
Multi-player handicapping
Improved event frequency
AIC Diplomacy

If your assistence is required will you lend a hand?

[ November 18, 2003, 18:55: Message edited by: Grand Lord Vito ]

Alneyan

November 18th, 2003, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Ed Kolis:
edit: or maybe Stoic... geez, there are so many, I'll probably spend 5000 points worth and have to take penalties in everything http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif I know the feeling, I am currently using... say, 4000 points, without even including incrases on the characteristic screen. But what religious paths to take, I wonder.

And yes Fyron, I forgot about these other Talismans. *Frowns*

Fyron

November 18th, 2003, 10:57 PM

edit: or maybe Stoic... geez, there are so many, I'll probably spend 5000 points worth and have to take penalties in everything Indeed. I like you having to make choices about which racial traits you are going to take, and not just pick the few best ones every time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Originally posted by Grand Lord Vito:
Fyron I am going to combine Adamant with AIC. This way the Adamant AI players will have there own trait like AIC so the AI will be able to handle:
Plagues
Economics
Planetary Bombardment
Finite Economics
Planet Capture
Planet defense
Tactical Fighters
Minefields
Multi-player handicapping
Improved event frequency
AIC Diplomacy

If your assistence is required will you lend a hand? You actually don't need AIC or special traits to get the AI to handle most of those things. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I have not refused to help anyone yet, so will most likely lend you a hand. But keep this to the other thread for it, k?

[ November 18, 2003, 20:59: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

JLS

November 18th, 2003, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
You actually don't need ~ special traits to get the AI to handle most of those things. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Agreed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ November 18, 2003, 21:58: Message edited by: JLS ]

SlamrFest

November 19th, 2003, 02:00 AM

ok well .. im going for the organic rock guys with Psionics .. mostly .. and geared to be very smart .. hope the psionics work right P ))
Basically they going to be Swarmy Bugs with psionics and inate regeneration,, very smart and solitairy ..

When we starting .. i got ants in my pants and they want to play P ...lol ..
soon as possible fits me just fine im eager ..

errr sry .. changed my email just now .. didnt know i had the old one there..

[ November 19, 2003, 00:06: Message edited by: SlamrFest ]

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by JLS:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
You actually don't need ~ special traits to get the AI to handle most of those things. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Agreed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>You seem to have butchered my post...

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 02:30 AM

The HW type doesn't really matter much, just basic race type. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

That now makes it:
Fyron
Alneyan - Magic religious?
Atrocities - Organic
Ekolis - Physical Mechanoids with Crystallurgy?
se5a
SlamrFest - Organic Psions
Tesco - Fill in the blank

Looks like some magic and physical are needed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Anybody want to take Crystalline or Temporal? Perhaps a combination of some Religious Ethos and Psionics?

Who else?

[ November 19, 2003, 00:32: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Cirvol

November 19th, 2003, 03:25 AM

i might like to be the temporal peeps http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

fill me in ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

im having severe se4 withdrawl symptoms due to geo's dsl mishaps

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 04:15 AM

Physical, magic or organic? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

What do you need filled in on?

Cirvol

November 19th, 2003, 04:35 AM

god, i just downloaded the 0.13.15 adamant mod...

its nuts http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

i've generated a physical / temporal race,
trying to figure out all the damn mods...

how many other special traits can i pick? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
if i do temporal as a base, is anything else cool?

btw, what quadrant type will you choose?
how many players?

fill in any other details now if u can pls http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

seems really cool btw

[ November 19, 2003, 02:46: Message edited by: Cirvol ]

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by Cirvol:
its nuts http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Why thank you!

i've generated a physical / temporal race,
trying to figure out all the damn mods...http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

how many other special traits can i pick? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
if i do temporal as a base, is anything else cool?Take whatever you want. Testing combos is good too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif 3000 racial points. Make sure to read the Empire Setup file in the help folder.

btw, what quadrant type will you choose?No idea. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

how many players?We have 8 now. That is a good number.

fill in any other details now if u can pls http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif What more would you like to know that the first post doesn't cover?

seems really cool btwhttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Cirvol

November 19th, 2003, 05:05 AM

ok, this mod is really messed up, so many graphics files missing, (and im not talking about the planet bmp's either, component pics are missing)

also, the colony module is 3000 kt, while the colony ship is 330kt, almost 10 times too small...

from what i can tell, this mod is FAR FAR from ready... sorry man

u seriously need to fix it up a bit before you can reasonably expect people to play a multiplayer pbm game

if im wrong on these assessments, fill me in

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 05:14 AM

You need the Image Mod. http://imagemod.spaceempires.net/ . I believe that the readme and the game website's download page specifies this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

The colony module has a special mount only available to the 330 kT colony ship that makes it 30 kT. The colony ship was originally 3300 kT, but that cause the Artificial Idioit to think that they were equivalent to very large warships due to the simplicity of the score system. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif So now they are only 330 kT, and require the colony module to be mounted. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Just select the colony ship, then click on the Mounts button.

Cirvol

November 19th, 2003, 05:24 AM

yeah, ok, im seeing it now....

you seriously should put this stuff all together and make sure the zip file has all of the proper directory structures so it works when u load it with the se4 gold mod loader http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

most (standard computer knowledge) peeps will not figure this out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 05:26 AM

That is what the readme is for. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif The mod will put everything into the proper folders. You should install the Image Mod into the stock folders.

The entire purpose of the Image Mod is to prevent people from having to download all of the same imags 12 times in every mod that uses them. Putting them in as part of the mod is contrary to that purpose. That, and it would make one monster of a file! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Cirvol

November 19th, 2003, 05:32 AM

im also getting real issues with actually starting games...

all the race files complain about missing attributes, (which i know is normally not a big deal) but, in addition, its like locking up when trying to start a game...

ie, at the end of the 100% bar, it just kinda sits there and hangs... lol

you ever have this happen?

i have half a gig of ram... i doubt thats the issue

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 05:40 AM

The AIs are not yet modded to work, so trying to play against them is not very successful. I don't get the game hanging at the end of starting one though, even with AIs. Hmm... is it hanging at the map generation (game creation) phase or player placement?

mac5732

November 19th, 2003, 06:33 AM

Ok, I'll give the game a try, put me down if you still have room

just some ideas Mac

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 06:50 AM

That now makes it:
Fyron
Alneyan - Magic religious?
Atrocities - Organic
Ekolis - Physical Mechanoids with Crystallurgy?
se5a
SlamrFest - Organic Psions
Tesco - Fill in the blank
Cirvol - Physical Temporal?
Mac

9 players is enough. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

So I think we have 2 physical, 2 organic and 1 magic. That means It would be best to get 1 more physical, one organic and 2 magic, to make it nice and even on the race types, for better testing results. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

SlamrFest

November 19th, 2003, 09:16 AM

so then we only need one more player .. ggrrr come on .. im rdy to start lol ..

se5a

November 19th, 2003, 10:04 AM

I think I might be a phisical race propulsion Experts...

are you going to use the quadrant mod for the map?

slamrfest which shipset are you wanting?
I like the tara one, but if your using it ill go for something else.

SlamrFest

November 19th, 2003, 11:23 AM

them green bug looking guys .. whatever ships they use ..

Alneyan

November 19th, 2003, 01:19 PM

I will play either a Magic Religious race (Fate/Industry/War/Wisdom) with Temporal or a Magic Religious race with other Ethos or even this Master Strategics trait, or... Well, it will be a Magic Religious race, that is all I know as for now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 05:10 PM

Oh yeah... also need to know exactly what shipset everyone wants to use, to avoid duplicates. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

That now makes it:
Fyron
Alneyan - Magic religious
Atrocities - Organic
Ekolis - Physical Mechanoids with Crystallurgy?
se5a - Physical Propulsion Experts
SlamrFest - Organic Psions
Tesco -
Cirvol - Physical Temporal?
Mac- Magic Psionic

So Tesco, you want to be Magic or Physical?

SlamrFest

November 19th, 2003, 05:16 PM

eerrr the green bugs ship set for me .. i guess ..

Alneyan

November 19th, 2003, 05:20 PM

The Cryslonite shipset for me. I love this shipset, and as I don't know any other suitable for a magical race. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Atrocities

November 19th, 2003, 05:21 PM

Fyron can we have max racial points for this game? It would be better to get the full effect of the mod.

Atrocities

November 19th, 2003, 05:25 PM

Fyron can you also provide lists ranked by racial traits for Technology, Facility, Weapons, and other for all races. This will help a lot for setting up an AI to use the mod.

I would like to set up a few AI's to use the mod so that SP will have some bit to it.

Since you know the mod inside and out it would be best for you to provide the info. Thanks.

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Fyron can we have max racial points for this game? It would be better to get the full effect of the mod. That would not be the full effect of the mod... a big effect is having to make choices about the traits you want, as there are too many good ones to just take them all (like in stock SE4 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ). I want every race to be different! SE4 PBW is plagued with cookie-cutter races... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fyron can you also provide You ask on MSN and in 2 different threads... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif I answered this in the Adamant Mod Discussion thread.

[ November 19, 2003, 15:52: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

se5a

November 19th, 2003, 07:11 PM

is he meaning the defult XiChung bug looking shipset?
if so I will use the Taera shipset. (that is SUCH a cool shipset.

SlamrFest

November 19th, 2003, 07:51 PM

dont know none of them by name lol .. im talkin about the all green bugs kinda looks like a praying mantis head all green . the ships look green an black ...

not the green and grey guys that look like ants ..

Alneyan

November 19th, 2003, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by SlamrFest:
dont know none of them by name lol .. im talkin about the all green bugs kinda looks like a praying mantis head all green . the ships look green an black ...

not the green and grey guys that look like ants .. Which number is this shipset in the selection? They are ordered alphabetically, so you will be able to find out what shipset it is by finding their position in the list and then looking at your shipsets directory.

I concur with Fyron on this one, we should definitively not take 5,000 racial points. It would make things much easier, but where is the challenge in designing your race then? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And yes, that's definitively much harder than making an Empire in the vanilla game.

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 10:25 PM

tesco samoa

November 19th, 2003, 10:29 PM

fyron... just create me an empire you wish for me to use and email it to me.... ok

Fyron

November 19th, 2003, 10:38 PM

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif I'd rather you created your own.

SlamrFest

November 20th, 2003, 08:49 AM

hhmmm #21 .. yep its the one he has been talking about the Taera ....((( uumm ok .. so how u want to handle this ??

Fyron

November 20th, 2003, 06:10 PM

Scratch that... I dunno. Do one of you want to use a different set?

[ November 20, 2003, 16:15: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

se5a

November 20th, 2003, 07:52 PM

ill use a diferent one.
ill have a look for a more phisical looking one tonight, the taera look better with an organic race anyway.

JLS

November 20th, 2003, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by se5a:
ill use a diferent one.
ill have a look for a more phisical looking one tonight, the taera look better with an organic race anyway. Taera set, is a great looking Ship Set http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fyron

November 21st, 2003, 02:59 AM

So make those empire files and get them emailed to me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

se5a

November 22nd, 2003, 03:47 AM

PBW is back up, mayas well just upload the .plr files there?
I think I sent you mine anyway.

umnnn

oh yea, what are you calling it on pbw?

just "adamant 011"?

Fyron

November 22nd, 2003, 09:21 AM

Game is created, but I can not approve players to it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Go ahead and join up anyways... this should be fixed soon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Update: If I fire up the rusty, mothballed Internet Explorer, I can approve just fine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ November 22, 2003, 07:52: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

se5a

November 23rd, 2003, 07:08 AM

come on guys!!! get in there!

link:
http://seiv.pbw.cc/text/index.jsp?menu=gamemenu.jsp%3fgame=1of6cg7&body=gamebody.jsp%3fgame=1of6cg7

[ November 23, 2003, 05:10: Message edited by: se5a ]

SlamrFest

November 23rd, 2003, 07:29 AM

had to join as indaca .. so Indaca is me ..

Fyron

November 25th, 2003, 01:03 AM

Atrocities, Tesco, Cirvol, Mac: join the game!

Everyone (this applies to): upload those empire files!

se5a

November 25th, 2003, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Atrocities, Tesco, Cirvol, Mac: join the game!

Everyone (this applies to): upload those empire files! Atrocities joined ages ago he was second....

I think we are just waiting for Cirvol now...

[ November 25, 2003, 17:30: Message edited by: se5a ]

se5a

November 26th, 2003, 06:28 PM

bump! hurry up everyone!

boring boring boring....

Fyron

November 26th, 2003, 08:02 PM

Please don't be so impatient. This game is actually going faster than the average PBW game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

se5a

November 27th, 2003, 08:06 PM

sorry, its just that most the games I am in seem to be in some kind of limbo for one reason or another.
my own two games are running slow due to ameracans thanks giving.

ratha is away, and that game is getting interesting.

there are two other games that only need one more player to upload his turn
*glowers at dogscoff and mathias ice*

large game min start has always had slow players, im not doing to well in that game ether, I forgot to reserch on the first turn *doh!*

but this adamant mod looks interesting!

Alneyan

November 27th, 2003, 08:28 PM

Perhaps you could give the KotH league a try if you do like faster paced games? (Or rated games, or any other one-to-one game) They can go quite fast if both players are available at the same times, I finished a game (50 turns or so) with Slynky in less than two days, while we aren't even in the same time zone. But I digress from the topic.

Fyron

November 27th, 2003, 10:54 PM

You can hardly blame people for wanting to spend some time with family in RL over the holidays. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Only one of the games I have hosted has fallen into limbo, and that one was using Proportions mod. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

If you have a game on Auto turns, the waiting on players is a null issue. Players dropping out is still an issue, but there is little you can do with that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ November 27, 2003, 20:55: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Fyron

December 2nd, 2003, 01:30 AM

If Cirvol doesn't show up by tonight, I am going to close the game and start it up (probably tomorrow).

Asmala

December 4th, 2003, 07:31 PM

Has this started yet?

se5a

December 4th, 2003, 07:48 PM

nope...
*kicks geos telco*

Fyron

December 4th, 2003, 10:58 PM

It would have started, but PBW is down... why, interested in joining or something?

Asmala

December 4th, 2003, 11:14 PM

Yeah I thought I might join if there's room. Is it 24h turns? And is this going to be RP game? I like "light RP" games, but "heavy RP" games are too much for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fyron

December 4th, 2003, 11:42 PM

Well... it is a "beta testing" game for Adamant Mod, so RP is not really required... good to do, ofc, but not the emphasis. It will have new turns whenever I can process them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif This is because with frequent updates to the mod being necessary during the testing, so having Geo update the mod every few turns on PBW is not practical. I was thinking more around 48 hours than 24. But if the players play quickly, I can make new turns more quickly.

I don't mind if you join. If you wish to, please create your empire file now, so we can get started as soon as PBW is back. The game settings are on page one.

[ December 04, 2003, 22:11: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Asmala

December 5th, 2003, 05:26 PM

OK, I'm in. I've never played Adamant before so I have to become familiar with it a bit first. Should I pick a certain race or trait?

If you run turns manually why the game should be in PBW?

Fyron

December 5th, 2003, 05:36 PM

Because PBW is a great tool for gathering and distributing turn files. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Make sure to check out the Help folder in Adamant, especially the Empire Setup file.

se5a

December 5th, 2003, 08:03 PM

and I can use the RTC...

Asmala

December 5th, 2003, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Because PBW is a great tool for gathering and distributing turn files. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif That's true, good point.

Which is the Imagemod's real homepage (a bit offtopic but I decided to update my Imagemod because of the Adamant, so there's a little connection http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )? I thought it would be http://imagemodserver.mine.nu but http://imagemod.spaceempires.net has newer files.

Fyron

December 5th, 2003, 08:58 PM

A number of mirrors are rather outdated. This page is the official home of the image mod and it has the latest files:

http://imagemodserver.mine.nu/Imagemod%5Cindex.html

The SE.net mirror is the only mirror that is completely up to date.

I really need to update the PHP script on my mirror to display the files better... I think it displays them in order by date or something...

[ December 05, 2003, 18:59: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Asmala

December 5th, 2003, 09:18 PM

http://imagemodserver.mine.nu/Imagemod/facilitypack9.zip
http://www.spaceempires.net/files/seiv/imagemod/facilitypack10.zip

Why that difference then? Looks like the mirror is extremely up to date. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Fyron

December 5th, 2003, 09:20 PM

Well the one I did not look at... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Looks like SJ lost the update with all the Rise of Nations buildings... that is quite necessary for Adamant, as many Magic race facilities use those images. So you will need the Facility Pack 10. I shall inform SJ that his site is out of date.

Asmala

December 5th, 2003, 09:29 PM

I have to say you have a nice mirror Fyron, better than original http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Shouldn't you modify the Adamant mod link in Kazharii Network Hub to point http://adamant.spaceempires.net? No need to have two copies, especially when the other is outdated.

Fyron

December 5th, 2003, 09:33 PM

I have to say you have a nice mirror Fyron, better than original SJ likes the plain and simple approach to HTML. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Most of the Kazharii Network Hub is now quite obselete... I have not yet decided what to do with that account that is paid for until April or so...

[ December 05, 2003, 19:34: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Asmala

December 5th, 2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> I have to say you have a nice mirror Fyron, better than original SJ likes the plain and simple approach to HTML. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>Eh, I meant yours better only because it has newer files. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif I think SJ has better organization, as you said you should order the files a bit better.

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Most of the Kazharii Network Hub is now quite obselete... I have not yet decided what to do with that account that is paid for until April or so... OK. Perhaps I should read the recent news section... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fyron

December 5th, 2003, 09:55 PM

The thing is, the table with the files is dynamically generated via PHP from the files in a specified folder... so it organizes them in whatever order it reads them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I wonder how to make a dynamic array in PHP... hmm...

Fyron

December 5th, 2003, 10:43 PM

Accursed sorting algorithm not working.

Asmala

December 6th, 2003, 12:05 AM

If I remember right all arrays in PHP are dynamic. The sorting isn't difficult, just save the filenames to arrays instead of printing them. Then sort the array, there's lots of build-in sorting functions in PHP.

Fyron

December 6th, 2003, 12:14 AM

That is not the problem... I need to keep track of 5 variables for each file, and then sort that according to the filename or title (and possibly even be able to sort according to any of them). I have been trying to use a class, but can not get anything to work. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif And I don't want to use a database; all this data comes from reading in files from a directory.

[ December 05, 2003, 22:18: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Fyron

December 6th, 2003, 12:16 AM

Oh, and PBW is back, so join the game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

se5a

December 6th, 2003, 01:58 AM

yea quick! before geo's telco cuts his DSL trying to fix his phone!!!

Asmala

December 6th, 2003, 10:06 AM

Bad luck, PBW come Online about five minutes after I went to sleep. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I'll join soon. But I have to decide first which race type I choose so I can pick a good name for my empire.

Asmala

December 10th, 2003, 06:57 AM

Looks like mines are quite powerful in Adamant, even the best mine layer sweeps only one mine. Or is there something I haven't noticed?

Fyron

December 10th, 2003, 08:59 AM

Far too cheap and easy to sweep any minefield in stock... 5 LC with MS II is all you need.

Asmala

December 10th, 2003, 10:00 AM

Well, that's true. In stock I have used mines only to prevent early attacks and operation of single cloaked ships.

Asmala

December 13th, 2003, 12:24 AM

We'd need a replacement player. Anybody willing to fill the spot?

Asmala

December 13th, 2003, 09:43 AM

Spot filled. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

freduk

December 16th, 2003, 03:05 AM

I have a bit of a problem constructing stuff. \A colonizer in this occasion, I already lost a turn because I forgot to put those reactors in, but now it still has only one movement. The colony ship componenets are rock colony (with that fancy mount), neural core, 3x circulatyry system, sefl replicating bla life support, 8 organic engines and 9 organic fusion cells. also a cargo bay and 25 membrane reinforcements.
What am I doing wrong ?

Fyron

December 16th, 2003, 03:23 AM

3 Circulatory Systems? They only need 1. Try adding more engines and fewer extras.

freduk

December 16th, 2003, 04:14 AM

yeah you're right, the other ones need 3 though, but why do my 8 engines not give me the 24 movement points I expected, but only 1 ??

Fyron

December 16th, 2003, 05:04 AM

Because the total standard movement points generated by engines is divided by the Engines Per Move setting of a vehicle. In stock SE4, that setting is at 1 for all of them. Adamant use a QNP system. Colony ships, for example, have an Engines Per Move of 18. So, 24 standard movement points divided by 18 gives 1.5, which rounds down to 1 movement point.

freduk

December 16th, 2003, 09:24 PM

I have left the game. Pretty much like the player before me I didn't feel like learning a totally different type of game, I don't have time to do this. I expected it to be a little bit different, but not totally, now it's like playing SEIV for the very first time.
Hopefully you find a replacement player soon. My race is at the top of the pack qua scores and the race setup is okey I think.
Pretty impressive mod by the way http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Asmala

December 16th, 2003, 10:11 PM

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif But I agree, it takes a lot of time to learn to play this mod (this is my first Adamant game). Especially without good help files, but I think Fyron is fixing that.

Fyron

December 17th, 2003, 12:26 AM

Learn as you play? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Fyron

December 18th, 2003, 10:41 AM

So we need a new replacement player... one that is willing to take a bit of time to learn the mod, or just rough it as you go. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

se5a

December 18th, 2003, 07:29 PM

not again!
hell, its not like its that hard to take one turn at a time!
for movement all you need is a calculator.
just multipy the number of engines*suplyusage*movementperturn = suplys used per turn.
(is that how its worked out fyron?)
then you just add your suply storage (or take engines off) to get the range you want.

Fyron

December 18th, 2003, 07:49 PM

(is that how its worked out fyron?) Yes.

[ December 18, 2003, 17:49: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Asmala

December 18th, 2003, 07:56 PM

And notice how hard is make fast long range colony ships. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

se5a

December 18th, 2003, 08:01 PM

nooo!! its simple!
just make a transport with the same movement points as your colony ship and fill it up with suplys.
of if its earlyer in the game use a scout.

Edit: and fleet it with the colony ship.

[ December 18, 2003, 18:02: Message edited by: se5a ]

Asmala

December 18th, 2003, 08:38 PM

No supply problem then. But it's still difficult to make the colony ship fast. If you squeezed it almost full of engines you'd need a entire fleet of supply ships. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ed Kolis

December 18th, 2003, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by se5a:
just multipy the number of engines*suplyusage*movementperturn = suplys used per turn.
(is that how its worked out fyron?)
then you just add your suply storage (or take engines off) to get the range you want. Hmm... maybe I should come up with some sort of ship range helper program... you choose the tonnage, the desired range, the desired speed, and your propulsion tech level, and it tells you how many engines and supply storage to put on! Should be simple enough... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (Of course, if you take into account solar sails and hyperdrives... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif )

Fyron

December 18th, 2003, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
No supply problem then. But it's still difficult to make the colony ship fast. If you squeezed it almost full of engines you'd need a entire fleet of supply ships. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif This was a design decision.

Asmala

December 19th, 2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Asmala:
No supply problem then. But it's still difficult to make the colony ship fast. If you squeezed it almost full of engines you'd need a entire fleet of supply ships. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif This was a design decision. <hr /></blockquote>You mean the fact that colony ships are slow was a design decision? What else it could be? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif