It's time for a new Tournament...Ratings Bash I [Archive]

geoschmo

November 25th, 2003, 05:57 PM

Announcing the start of the Ratings Bash I

This will be a simple four round, invitational tournament. Players will be seeded according to their current standings in Slynky's Space Empires IV Ratings Page. (http://se4-gaming.net/)

This tournament is by invitation to the top 16 players currently listed in the Ratings. If any of the 16 choose not to compete, alternates will be chosen in order from the remaining players after the top 16. If 16 of the players in the current Ratings are not interested in competing, unranked players will be seeded at the bottom on a first some first serve basis, but the tournament will not be expanded beyond 16 players.

Here are the current rankings. The Ratings change constantly as games finish, but for tourney purposes these will be the rankings used.

<table spacing=1><tr><th>Tourney Seed</th><th>Current Ranking</th><th>Player</th><th>Rating</th><th>Games</th></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>Asmala</td><td>1047</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>Bbegemott</td><td>1032</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>Primitive</td><td>1030</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>Slynky</td><td>1029</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>5</td><td>RexTorres</td><td>1018</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>6</td><td>Gecko</td><td>1016</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>8</td><td>Alneyan</td><td>1015</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>9</td><td>Baron Grazic</td><td>1015</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>10</td><td>Gandalph</td><td>1015</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>Parabolize</td><td>997</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td>11</td><td>12</td><td>Joachim</td><td>985</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>13</td><td>Roanon</td><td>985</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>13</td><td>14</td><td>Steal Dragon</td><td>985</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>14</td><td>15</td><td>Georgig</td><td>984</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>15</td><td>18</td><td>Lord Chane</td><td>984</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>16</td><td>Gozguy</td><td>984</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>Ranked Alternates</td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>Geoschmo</td><td>974</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>Chronon</td><td>969</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td>22</td><td>Deccan</td><td>953</td><td>3</td></tr></table>
Want's to play, Unranked, but in the rankings alternates: (first come first served)
00 Tesco Samoa

Want's to play, Unranked and not in the rankings alternates: (first come first served)
None yet

Unable to participate at this time:
7 Phoenix-D
17 GrandpaKim
19 Loser

Here's the current bracket: This is subject to change if any of the invitees choose not to compete.

Check the bracket here. (http://seiv.pbw.cc/bracket.html)

All games will be one on one, Koth style. Game settings can be tweaked if the players both agree to it, but I will encourage no changes that will cause the games to go on too long. The idea is to get through this in a reasonable amount of time.

All players will agree to have the results of their games used for ranking purposes.

I will contact everybody by email, but feel free to state here if you are not interested.

Geoschmo

[ February 13, 2004, 18:14: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

geoschmo

November 25th, 2003, 07:45 PM

Something I just noticed. The bottom of the rankings has a cluster of four players at 984 points. These are arbitrarily ranked alphabetically as:

15 Georgig 984 1
16 Gozguy 984 1
17 GrandpaKim 984 1
18 Lord Chane 984 1

This is fine for the rankings, but not really fair to leave someone out of the tourney based on the letters in their name. Probably at least two of the top 16 won't play and then it won't be an issue. But if it is I will take these four players in the order they respond either in the thread or by email to notify me they wish to play. The alternative would be to have a play in game, but I really don't want to add another round.

Geoschmo

eorg

November 25th, 2003, 08:18 PM

count me in :-) and i really don't care who will kick by butt but i prefer not to face rextorres or asmala which will be humiliating :-P

what about grid expand? i mean losers to face each other so we all can play four games? and i will know that i am at.. say.. 19th place

geoschmo

November 25th, 2003, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by georgig:
what about grid expand? i mean losers to face each other so we all can play four games? and i will know that i am at.. say.. 19th place Yeah, we can do that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Alneyan

November 25th, 2003, 08:34 PM

Georgig, how could you be 19th out of 16 players? I believe that will be a bit hard. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (In the tournament that is, there can be only 16 players)

I support your idea though, it will be useful for us who do not stand a chance of winning more than one game. (Even if I do pass against Grazic, I will likely face Asmala. So. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

eorg

November 25th, 2003, 08:42 PM

ahh i thought this is an 18 players tournament :-P

tesco samoa

November 25th, 2003, 08:59 PM

strange... i joined the Ratings system... and i am in a few rated games... but not on the page...

geoschmo

November 25th, 2003, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
strange... i joined the Ratings system... and i am in a few rated games... but not on the page... Unless you have completed a rated game you won't show up on the list. If you are interested I'll put you down as the 7th alternate. That's not as bad as it sounds. I figure you got a decent chance at making it in.

I have updated the bracket with consoloation brackets. Everybody gets four games now, win or lose.

Geoschmo

[ November 25, 2003, 19:03: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Slynky

November 25th, 2003, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
strange... i joined the Ratings system... and i am in a few rated games... but not on the page... Tesco, all the people with an uncompleted Ratings game start with a 1000 points. Since we don't "really" know their ability, it seemed unfair to list players with the starting 1,000 points AHEAD of those who had completed a game, yet lost. So, we have over 30 members, I think, and 22 have completed at least one game.

Since Geo started the tourney, I'd hate to step on his feet but he might consider letting those with no games completed yet a member of the Ratings system act as alternates. Just a thought.

Slynky

November 25th, 2003, 09:07 PM

I'm in.

Now...REALLY back to yard work this time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif .

geoschmo

November 25th, 2003, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:

Since Geo started the tourney, I'd hate to step on his feet but he might consider letting those with no games completed yet a member of the Ratings system act as alternates. Just a thought. Good idea. Done.

Slynky, can you give me a list of people who are in the rankings now but have not completed a game yet?

[ November 25, 2003, 19:12: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Geckomlis

November 25th, 2003, 09:38 PM

A Ratings tourney! Yes, that rocks! A new vehicle to lower my rating... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I'm in!

Gecko

Asmala

November 25th, 2003, 09:57 PM

Great tournament idea. Count me in.

primitive

November 25th, 2003, 10:49 PM

Can't miss this one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Baron Grazic

November 25th, 2003, 11:37 PM

I'm in.
Even if only to restart and finish the KOTH game Alneyan & myself were in. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

November 26th, 2003, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:

Since Geo started the tourney, I'd hate to step on his feet but he might consider letting those with no games completed yet a member of the Ratings system act as alternates. Just a thought. Good idea. Done.

Slynky, can you give me a list of people who are in the rankings now but have not completed a game yet? <hr /></blockquote>Yep (alpha):

Alneyan
Asmala
Baron Grazic
Bbegemott
Chronon
Coregonas *
Cybersol *
Deccan
E3 *
Excimer-500 *
Fire *
Gandalph
Gecko
Georgig
Geoschmo
Gozguy
GrandpaKim
Jimbob *
Joachim
Lord Chane
Loser
Parabolize
Parasite *
Phoenix-D
Primitive
RexTorres
Roanon
Slynky
Steal Dragon
Tesco samoa *
Tia *

[ November 25, 2003, 22:16: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Joachim

November 26th, 2003, 01:48 AM

Me Too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Cant play too many games.....

Slynky

November 26th, 2003, 04:45 AM

When someone gets a chance could you explain how seeding works? I don't watch tennis http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

I thought 1-8 played 9-16 (1 vs 9, 2 vs 10, etc.).

geoschmo

November 26th, 2003, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
When someone gets a chance could you explain how seeding works? I don't watch tennis http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

I thought 1-8 played 9-16 (1 vs 9, 2 vs 10, etc.). I based it off the NCAA basketball bracket, but I suppose tennis is handled the same way. The idea is that you reward the better players performance leading up to the tourney by giving them the "easiest road" into the final game. So the best player plays the worst player in the tourney. The second best plays the 2nd from the bottom, etc. The bracket is arranged to that at each round assuming the "right player" wins you will always have the best player playing the worst player left. So in round 2 you have 1 playing 8, round three you have 1 playing 4. Of course the better ranked player does not always win. You still have to play the games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

geoschmo

November 26th, 2003, 05:26 AM

Well the good news is this seems to be getting a lot of response. The bad news unfortunatly is that this means it's likely that some of the alternates may end up disapointed. Myself included. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Lord Chane responded a couple of hours before Gozguy, so he snagged the 16th seed for the moment and Gozguy is now 1st alternate. However, there are still four people that haven't responded so Gozguy still has a chance of making it in I think.

BBegemott

November 26th, 2003, 10:14 AM

Oh, rated tourney! I'm in of course!

Alneyan

November 26th, 2003, 01:47 PM

Gandalf had to leave (at least for a while) if I remember correctly. So you still have a chance Geo to make it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Grazic, that is exactly what I thought when I saw the bracket. The next thing I noticed was that Asmama is just above, and Slynky and Rex just below. Do you believe any of us stand a chance against one of them? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

geoschmo

November 26th, 2003, 04:06 PM

I suppose if there is enough interest in this from the alternates and other unranked players I could do a second tournament bracket for those people. Any opinions?

Slynky

November 26th, 2003, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
The next thing I noticed was that Asmama is just above, ... Do you believe any of us stand a chance against one of them? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Hehe, with that kind of name change, Asmala could then start saying, "Who's yer mama!?" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Oh, by the way, don't worry about me so much. Rex and Asmala are the real problems http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif .

Alneyan

November 26th, 2003, 04:35 PM

*Grumbles* Sorry Asmala about the typo, I was... erh... I was sleepy as it was two when I wrote this post. Yes, two pm, but still.

Of course not, I shouldn't worry about you, after all I won my Last game with you. Or did I? Well, perhaps I only succeeded in making you doubt as if I had some trick right under my sleeve. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (While it was a defeat in all other fields obviously) But for now, Grazic and then Asmala are my real concerns. Good luck to you Slynky! I do hope we play again in this tournament, as it would mean we both made it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif (Or that we both lost our games during the same round eh)

[ November 26, 2003, 14:39: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

Asmala

November 26th, 2003, 05:13 PM

Only three players left to accept the invitation. That means the games will start soon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

tesco samoa

November 26th, 2003, 05:23 PM

sounds good geo as i am in the disappointed cat.... Hey if you have another 16 players then you can have two brackets ... just mix them up a little more http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

tesco samoa

November 26th, 2003, 05:25 PM

or even if you have 8 more.... take the bottom 8 and the the unranked and have them pair off in a pre round http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif then the 8 make it.....to meet the big 8 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

hmm.... or i have 20 dollars with your name on it

Cipher7071

November 26th, 2003, 05:56 PM

I know I'm new here, but it might be done the way we play our year-end Sunday tournament in horseshoe league. The field is broken into two divisions, so that the folks who are new to the game have half a chance to escape rapid elimination. That way your alternates might even get a chance to play. Eligibility could be determined by some kind of "seeding" within the divisions as I saw someone else suggest....just a thought. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

geoschmo

November 26th, 2003, 06:08 PM

The key idea of the tourney for me was to have the players seeded by rank. That kind of breaks down if you have a bunch of unranked players mixed in. If there are enough players for an other 8 or 16 player bracket I'll set it up. I will keep it separate from the Ratings Bash I bracket though and give it random seeding.

Phoenix-D had to beg off playing in another game, so the bracket has been shuffled up a bit. Gozguy is in.

Still waiting to hear from Roanon and Gandalph. I guess Gandalph won't be back on line at least till next week so I can probably jsut skip him over. That will put me in the tourney. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Haven't heard from Chronon or Deccan if they are interested or not. If Roanon doesn't reply I can use one of them if they reply, or Tesco will get the Last spot if they don't.

Geoschmo

[ November 26, 2003, 16:08: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

geoschmo

November 26th, 2003, 06:17 PM

In fact, the more I think about it, I am going to set up the games tonight. If I don't hear from Roanon, Gandalph, Chronon or Deccan by then I will put myself and Tesco in as the Last two seeds. If one of more of them email me or post then I will set them up accordingly.

After I set up the games I will come back here and start a new thread taking names for a random seed bracket. That I can leave open till next week and if any of those guys that missed out for not responding want to play they can join that one.

Geoschmo

Slynky

November 26th, 2003, 08:21 PM

Geo, I'm pretty sure Deccan will be leaving and unavailable for about a month pretty soon. So, I'm not sure his plans would permit him to play. Of course I don't speak for him...but I wouldn't place much reliance on his ability to join up.

Asmala

November 26th, 2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
In fact, the more I think about it, I am going to set up the games tonight. If I don't hear from Roanon, Gandalph, Chronon or Deccan by then I will put myself and Tesco in as the Last two seeds. If one of more of them email me or post then I will set them up accordingly.That's good. If they don't reply today they are probably so busy they would slow down the game.

Slynky

November 26th, 2003, 09:06 PM

Also, I certainly don't want to throw a wrench into all the hard work you've done and plans you have made so, as a suggestion for a future "Bash", I'd suggest Swiss System Chess pairing. The good thing about this sort of matching system is that it does the same (nearly) as your NCAA system does in that it seeds people similarly (if 16 people, then 1 plays 9, etc.). After that, all the people who won the round are then paired in order of rank, the list broken in half again with the top half playing the lower half till eventually, all the people who have the most round wins have to play each other. To get a clear tourney winner, 4 rounds (I think) will handle 16-20 people. 5 rounds for 40 people or so. Chess tournements rarely have 7 rounds since 6 rounds handles around 100. So, besides being similar to the bracket type pairing (you start off playing players weaker than you if you are in the top half), it doesn't have any dependancy on a set number of people. With Swiss System pairing, 17 could show up, 27, or 22 or whatever. If an odd number, there is a method for cmputing who gets the "bye".

Anyway, just something to consider for the future "Bashes" (then there wouldn't be any need to set it up for a certain number of people...whoever wanted to enter could enter).

geoschmo

November 26th, 2003, 09:09 PM

Okay, here is the final offical Ratings Bash I tournament bracket. I will begin setting up the games shortly. I will assign you to a game and then you just need to upload your empires after touching base with your opponent to see if there will be any non-Koth standard settings.

Check the bracket here. (http://seiv.pbw.cc/bracket.html)

[ December 10, 2003, 18:42: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

geoschmo

November 26th, 2003, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Anyway, just something to consider for the future "Bashes" (then there wouldn't be any need to set it up for a certain number of people...whoever wanted to enter could enter). This type of bracketing can have byes as well. And I could throw in "Play in games" if I want to make an odd number of players. I prefer the even number though regardless of bracket type. A player with a bye in a chess tourney has to wait, what an hour for a game? With an Se4 tourney it more like a week minimum, and perhaps much longer.

Slynky

November 26th, 2003, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
Anyway, just something to consider for the future "Bashes" (then there wouldn't be any need to set it up for a certain number of people...whoever wanted to enter could enter). This type of bracketing can have byes as well. And I could throw in "Play in games" if I want to make an odd number of players. I prefer the even number though regardless of bracket type. A player with a bye in a chess tourney has to wait, what an hour for a game? With an Se4 tourney it more like a week minimum, and perhaps much longer. <hr /></blockquote>Well, I don't watch sports, so I'm not aware of all the ins and outs of bracket stuff, it just seems like I always hear in the news about 64, then 32, then the final 16, etc. If there is a way, then that's fine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

As to a person getting a bye? It's better to be in the tourney and get a bye than to not be in it at all.

Asmala

November 26th, 2003, 09:31 PM

Hey Tesco, we're enemies now, first time ever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
In two games I've been your ally but never your enemy so this will be interesting.

Alneyan

November 26th, 2003, 09:45 PM

Good luck Tesco, you will need it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I wish you good luck Geo, I rely on you to defeat Rex (and Parabolize as well I gather) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Grazic, it seems like both of us are cursed, as we won't play together for now. I don't know, but there is something that prevents us from being in the same game. Thus I am afraid for the Pairs game. *Smirks*

Slynky

November 26th, 2003, 11:24 PM

Hey, guys, how do you think I feel? I got paired against my best friend. We've been playing for years (PBEM before PBW). He knows me inside out! We discuss strategy all the time as we discuss our games with each other. How do you think it feels to be in a game like that? I think I'd rather play the "Finnish Fiend" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Slynky

November 26th, 2003, 11:29 PM

Finally, as things get under way, I'd like to start off the "Thanks" to Geo. It's a lot of aggravation doing this sort of stuff and it takes time to run things. And trying to find a way to get as many players in who want to play as can be done. I'd give him another 5 rating but I can only do it once.

So, THANKS, Geo, you put the "Play" in PBW! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Alneyan

November 26th, 2003, 11:37 PM

Be careful what you pray for, you may very well get it. (I don't remember the exact phrasing as you can see) Asmala isn't too far from you Slynky in the brackets. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And I am convinced Gozguy would welcome you to take his place against the Dweller of the Chilly Land known as Finland. *Smirks*

I second Slynky thanks to Geo, what else could I add? You could add another 5 stars rating Slynky, all you need is another account just for this purpose. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

(Edited because of poor syntax)

[ November 26, 2003, 21:38: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

Joachim

November 26th, 2003, 11:48 PM

Alneyan, we seem to be fighting....

Standard Koth, no Ancient?

Baron Grazic

November 26th, 2003, 11:59 PM

Hi Alneyan.
I guess if we both want to go head-to-head we both just have to win every match and be in the finial against each other. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Good luck Parabolize. Standard Koth settings?

Slynky

November 27th, 2003, 12:22 AM

Just to liven it up a bit (evil grin) and to be like all the betting places one can check the odds on, here are my predictions for the first round:

Asmala vs Tesco: Asmala
Baron Grazic vs Parabolize: Toss up
Slynky vs Lord Chane: Lord Chane (he has my "number")
RexTorres vs Georgig: RexTorres (though I wonder a bit)
BBegemott vs Geschmo: I would say toss up but I gotta go with BB's KOTH record and say him
Alneyan vs Joachim: Toss up
Primitive vs GozGuy: Primitive (I don't think Goz can stop the steamroller)
Gecko vs Steal Dragon: Toss up (can't say I know much about each)

Just to add some "juice" to the fun...please (!) no hard feelings http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

Baron Grazic

November 27th, 2003, 01:12 AM

I've gotta disagree with you in some of them.
My predictions - Player 1 in every game of round 1.
Sorry, Parabolize, I've gotta back myself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

parabolize

November 27th, 2003, 01:30 AM

baron grazic- could we play with no intel? other than that i am happy with KOTH settings.

tesco samoa

November 27th, 2003, 01:31 AM

Asmala has beaten me before in Koth...

I think I will give him a run for his money.... I have taught him a few things... He has def'n taught me a few things...

well i wanted a rating game I got the hard one....

Worse case would be you must face Primative and Asmala.... partnered...

tesco samoa

November 27th, 2003, 01:32 AM

nice game description

If you don't know why I stuck you in this game I must have made a mistake. Send me an email and let me know.

hehe.... so what are the settings for the game ??

Joachim

November 27th, 2003, 01:37 AM

Can I bet against myself http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Baron Grazic

November 27th, 2003, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by parabolize:
baron grazic- could we play with no intel? other than that i am happy with KOTH settings. Sounds good.
Geo, Looks like 1 game is ready to rock, when your ready. Thanks.

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Worse case would be you must face Primative and Asmala.... partnered...Well, I certainly don't want to do that. Fighting my way thru you & Asmala is going to be hard enough in Pairs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

November 27th, 2003, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by Joachim:
Can I bet against myself http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif You BET!

(Whoa! Punman strikes again!)

Slynky

November 27th, 2003, 06:09 AM

In an effort to try my best to keep up with Geo, all the games are now posted to the Ratings site. (the games page just got LONGER!).

Good luck to everyone BUT, remember, sometimes you have to make your own "luck"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

November 27th, 2003, 06:11 AM

By the way, if you haven't seen the realy kewl description Geo made on the PBW site for each game, take a look! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Asmala

November 27th, 2003, 08:43 AM

Cool game description, but I guess it required some work:

Nov 27, 2003 5:03:52 AM EET
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Alneyan

November 27th, 2003, 10:38 AM

Yes Joachim, I agree with default settings and no Ancient. Would Intelligence be allowed or not? (I don't recall if it is allowed or disabled in the KOTH settings) Feel free to bet against your defeat, but I for one don't have a clue about the outcome of the game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

But hopefully, Grazic will be right in saying every first player will win his game, during the first round that is! (Afterwards, both of us would rather the second player to win. *Grins*) Good luck for making it to the final so that we may play our game at Last. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Joachim

November 27th, 2003, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
Yes Joachim, I agree with default settings and no Ancient. Would Intelligence be allowed or not? (I don't recall if it is allowed or disabled in the KOTH settings) Feel free to bet against your defeat, but I for one don't have a clue about the outcome of the game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Yep, intel is in. Will upload emp now.

Slynky

November 27th, 2003, 03:27 PM

Slynky vs Lord Chane: Game Settings

Standard KOTH with these changes:

(1) One GOOD starting planet;
(2) No intel
(3) No ancient

Tks, Geo!

eorg

November 27th, 2003, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
RexTorres vs georgig: RexTorres (though I wonder a bit)
don't wonder - he killed me twice in unicup tournament and once in koth - all three 1:1 games
and slynky i'll face you when i lose right? :-P

rex - settings please? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Originally posted by geoschmo:
If you don't know why I stuck you in this game I must have made a mistake.
yes geo - big mistake it is :-P

Slynky

November 27th, 2003, 06:48 PM

Yeah, georgig, it's a bit dismaying to me as I look at my positioning. To do well at all, I will need to win against Lord Chane (admittedly, I think, more possible that what would follow...gulp), and then Rex, and then Asmala. Yuck. I'd rather have been in the lower 8 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

Even worse, anyone losing the first game can do no better than 9th place...if I understand things.

geoschmo

November 27th, 2003, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Even worse, anyone losing the first game can do no better than 9th place...if I understand things. That is correct.

Edit: Hmmm, maybe that isn't right though. The person that loses the first game and wins the next three shouldn't place below the guy who wins the first game and loses teh next three. I have to think abtou this for a bit.

[ November 27, 2003, 19:31: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Alneyan

November 27th, 2003, 09:37 PM

It depends, if this individual wins against Asmala but losts his three other games, he deserves to be rated higher than the player who losts his first game but wins the three others. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

More seriously, I would agree with Slynky, although I am not sure how you could tweak the brackets. (Except for a score rating of some sort that is)

geoschmo

November 27th, 2003, 09:55 PM

Ok, I adjusted it a bit. I had to kind of make it up cause normally with a bracket like this you lose one and you are out.

Now if you lose the first game and win the next three you end up with 5th place for the tournament. Below the other 3-1 players that won their first game, but above the 2-2 and 1-3 players that won their first game.

I think this is a fair system. Of course it only matters for tournament purposes. The real question is how many points in the Ratings system will you earn or lose for the tournament. And that cannot be predicted without knowing for sure who you will face. And could be affected by non-tournament games that you finish at the same time, so I can't really use that for a tourney result.

Geoschmo

Slynky

November 27th, 2003, 11:31 PM

Slynky -vs- Lord Chane: Year 2400.1

No sign of the varmit yet.

(OK, so that was a boring game update. But, hey, the game is afoot!)

geoschmo

November 28th, 2003, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by Asmala:
Cool game description, but I guess it required some work:

Nov 27, 2003 5:03:52 AM EET
Game description updated (geoschmo)
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Yes Asmala, yours was the pilot. The others won't have all those. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif This was the first time I had experimented with iframe tags. I think it worked out rather well.

Geoschmo

Baron Grazic

November 28th, 2003, 04:58 AM

Grazic's EEEvil EEEmpire Vs Parabolize's Banana Repulic 2403.0

The insanity of EEEmpire Grazic is beyond doubt but wEEE are confused as to the sanity of the "Evil Person" called Parabolize.

2402.3 - The EEEvil EEEpire demands the surrender of the Banana Repblic and wEEE receive no reply.
2402.5 - An EEEvil "big ship" destroys a fledgling colony and wEEE receive no reply.
2402.6 - EEEvil "big ship" destroys a colony ship which attempts to attack our ship. This insane action makes us belive that Parabolize is insane and that we should be friends.
2402.7 - wEEE offer a treaty of Military Alliance and receive a reply saying "alliance? i think not!"
2403.0 - An EEEvil "big ship" destroys another fledgling colony and wEEE receive no reply.

The "Evil Person" called Parabolize, doesn't want friendship. He doesn't create War ships.
He plans are beyond the comprehention of our insane brain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

parabolize

November 28th, 2003, 05:08 AM

parabolize is in BIG trouble:
i have 3 planets with over 90% minerals http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Baron Grazic

November 28th, 2003, 05:15 AM

Now I know you have over 3 planets, so don't try to trick us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif We did start with a Huge Breatherable in our home system, which is 'still' building Research Centres.

Lord Chane

November 29th, 2003, 01:02 AM

Slynky -vs- Lord Chane: 2401.6

For the game we agreed to standard KOTH settings with two exceptions: no Ancient Race and no intel. The resulting empires are nearly identical. The only significant difference is that Slynky chose Propulsion Experts while Lord Chane opted for Natural Merchants. Otherwise, Slynky's native planet type is rock/none, while mine is rock/CO2. The map appears to be split nearly in half. Can't say how it is for Slynky but I'm finding a lot of breathables.

We met somewhere between 4 and 6 turns ago. The only casualty so far is a ship of Slynky's which ran into one of my mine fields.

rextorres

November 29th, 2003, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by eorg:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
RexTorres vs georgig: RexTorres (though I wonder a bit)
don't wonder - he killed me twice in unicup tournament and once in koth - all three 1:1 games
and slynky i'll face you when i lose right? :-P

rex - settings please? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>How about standard KOTH settings.

I would have preferred to play someone else because you know all my "tricks" based on all the games we've played.

[ November 28, 2003, 23:47: Message edited by: rextorres ]

eorg

December 1st, 2003, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by rextorres:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by eorg:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
RexTorres vs georgig: RexTorres (though I wonder a bit)
don't wonder - he killed me twice in unicup tournament and once in koth - all three 1:1 games
and slynky i'll face you when i lose right? :-P

rex - settings please? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>How about standard KOTH settings.

I would have preferred to play someone else because you know all my "tricks" based on all the games we've played. <hr /></blockquote>mmm yeah http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif what is a 'standart koth settings'?

geoschmo

December 1st, 2003, 03:27 PM

Bbegemont has the early lead in our match. He's got the advantage of position and has been able to set up some pretty decent early game defenses on the strategic warp points. I am going to have trouble unless he makes a mistake, something he doesn't make too many of based on my previous experience with him.

Geoschmo

Geckomlis

December 9th, 2003, 10:27 PM

Ratings Bash - Gecko vs Steal Dragon
2404.5

Gecko defeats Steal Dragon. Thanks for a good game Steal Dragon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Is anyone ready for Round 2? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Gecko

Alneyan

December 9th, 2003, 10:33 PM

I am suffering a lot against Joachim, for the map was mean, at least for me. (I am not sure if Joachim was as unlucky as I, or if he had much better systems) Now the situation has somewhat improved, even if I am still in trouble. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Baron Grazic

December 9th, 2003, 11:09 PM

Grazic's EEEvil EEEmpire Vs Parabolize's Banana Repulic 2406.5

Parabolize surrenders to the EEEvil EEEmpire.

Looking at the finial map, Parabolize started with most of the useless systems in his half.

I hope you get a better start next game Parabolize. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Joachim

December 10th, 2003, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
I am suffering a lot against Joachim, for the map was mean, at least for me. (I am not sure if Joachim was as unlucky as I, or if he had much better systems) Now the situation has somewhat improved, even if I am still in trouble. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Then we are both in suffer land .... I really hate the look of nebulae in a one on one game.

Alneyan

December 10th, 2003, 03:12 PM

I see, I thought the order would remain the same. So we will probably not meet again, unless we were to win our respective games. Good luck Geoschmo, for we will need it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

December 10th, 2003, 08:01 PM

Slynky -vs- Lord Chane Year: 2406.1

Lord Chane surrenders.

(if case some didn't know it)

parabolize

December 10th, 2003, 08:02 PM

BTW geo all emp. files loaded and ready to start game

Slynky

December 10th, 2003, 08:02 PM

Geo, is there a location where one can see the "whole picture"? Where the 2nd pairings are being set up? I went back to the earlier post to see if it was updated but.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Asmala

December 10th, 2003, 08:22 PM

This is in the description of the Bash games: http://seiv.pbw.cc/bracket.html

geoschmo

December 10th, 2003, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Geo, is there a location where one can see the "whole picture"? Where the 2nd pairings are being set up? I went back to the earlier post to see if it was updated but.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Yes, as Asmala says it's on that page. I stopped updating the bracket in this forum post. Sorry, I'll fix that...done.

Geoschmo

[ December 10, 2003, 18:43: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Slynky

December 10th, 2003, 08:49 PM

Tks, guys! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Alneyan

December 11th, 2003, 02:51 AM

A single nebulae? It isn't that bad, really. Much better than one blackhole, *two* nebulaes, and an asteroid belt. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It seems like my next opponent will be, once again, Geoschmo, unless he makes it against BBegemot. *Frowns* At any rate, I should get ready for this next struggle.

geoschmo

December 11th, 2003, 02:57 AM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
It seems like my next opponent will be, once again, Geoschmo, unless he makes it against BBegemot. *Frowns* At any rate, I should get ready for this next struggle. Things are not going well against Bbegmont. However, the only way you'd be assured of facing me in the second round is if both of us were to win our games. For the losers brackets I am simply putting people in as their games end rather then trying to keep them in any sort of seed order. That may have been a mistake, but I already did it for the Lord Chane Parbolize game and think I should stay consistant.

Geoschmo

geoschmo

December 12th, 2003, 06:31 PM

Continuing any longer is pointless. Bbegemont is victorius. Really was no contest I am afraid. Please update the Ratings Slynky, I'll take care of the tourney bracket.

Geoschmo

Slynky

December 12th, 2003, 07:12 PM

Yeh, Geo, I'll get to it tonight when I get home from work.

PS: I'm starting to feel like you and Nodachi are in the same "rut". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Nodachi

December 12th, 2003, 07:20 PM

PS: I'm starting to feel like you and Nodachi are in the same "rut". 

Nah, Geo handed me my arse in a KOTH game so don't lump him in with me, that would be bad luck for him! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Actually, my KOTH record is the reason I haven't signed up with the Ratings thing. If I understand the Ratings system correctly, why would anyone want to face me? Beating me wouldn't be worth much! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

geoschmo

December 12th, 2003, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Nodachi:
Actually, my KOTH record is the reason I haven't signed up with the Ratings thing. If I understand the Ratings system correctly, why would anyone want to face me? Beating me wouldn't be worth much! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Yes, but they might figure you for an easy win. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
A win, no matter how easy will net you more points then a loss, no matter how hard. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Actually, lately I seem to be in a win one-lose one rut. Would be nice to win a bunch in a row, but unfortunatly it doesn't appear that I am that good.

Nodachi

December 12th, 2003, 07:31 PM

Well then I'll go ahead and sign up. I love one-on-one games and that format would seem to favor a Ratings system... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

December 12th, 2003, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Nodachi:
Well then I'll go ahead and sign up. I love one-on-one games and that format would seem to favor a Ratings system... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I've always encouraged people to join regardless of how good they are. I think over time that everyone gets better and besides getting better and winning more games, there's nothing like seeing your rating rise as proof.

May I suggest contacting a guy who joined recently named Fire. He isn't an extroaordinary player...seems like you 2 would have a good game.

Alneyan

December 12th, 2003, 08:11 PM

Yes, go ahead Nodachi, you will always find players willing to play with you no matter what your rating is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I am in the same situation Geoschmo, a defeat, a win, a win, a defeat, a win and very likely a defeat now. *Grumbles* And with my next KOTH match against Grazic, I should be ready to add another defeat to my record. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geckomlis

December 12th, 2003, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Actually, lately I seem to be in a win one-lose one rut. Would be nice to win a bunch in a row, but unfortunatly it doesn't appear that I am that good. LOL. You are not the only one in that rut. I seem to be in a boom and bust cycle too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Gecko

Alneyan

December 14th, 2003, 09:28 PM

Alneyan vs Joachim: Year 2403.5 or so.

It hurts. Joachim managed to repel my attempts to invade his systems while retaliating and disabling my excuse for a fleet. (Seeker ship vs seeker ship, heads or tails?) Of course, lagging behind in research and not having mines does hurt. A lot.

However, while my Empire was on its knees and very near surrender, Joachim didn't deal the coup-de-gr�ce. How merciful he is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Happiness was decreasing everywhere, and my radioactives storages were a mere two digits. Winning a few other battles would have probably spelled massive riots, and as such, destruction of the Arcadia League. Still, my Empire is in a very poor shape, with slightly more than half the galaxy under its greedy hands. (But the worst half as far as I know) But as long as there is hope, we shall not surrender and we will stand to the mighty frigates of our oppressor in our finest hour and... I digress.

Joachim played well, unlike me as I am playing one of my worst games, on par with my slaughter against Geoschmo. (As know as, why putting ECM, Combat Sensors and training the ships isn't optional, unless winning is also optional for you) Researching Destroyer rather than Mines being quite a big mistake, as these little shiny devices would have been able to keep Joachim at bay so much more efficiently than these so unreliable missile ships. (Is a missile ship ever working properly when in the hands of the non-entity known as an AI? Nodachi had problems with these as well in our game.)

Joachim

December 15th, 2003, 04:49 AM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
Alneyan vs Joachim: Year 2403.5 or so.

It hurts. Joachim managed to repel my attempts to invade his systems while retaliating and disabling my excuse for a fleet. (Seeker ship vs seeker ship, heads or tails?) Of course, lagging behind in research and not having mines does hurt. A lot.

However, while my Empire was on its knees and very near surrender, Joachim didn't deal the coup-de-gr�ce. How merciful he is. If I had a fleet we might have delivered the coup de grace.... The "ships" that hit your planets were panic builds when I saw your ships through the warp hole just before I mined it. I was very surprised that they managed to paste as many colonies as they did!

Baron Grazic

December 15th, 2003, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
Is a missile ship ever working properly when in the hands of the non-entity known as an AI? Nodachi had problems with these as well in our game. Yep, I had them working successfully in my Last KOTH game. I had lone missile Escorts blockading a number of worlds and they danced around the missiles on the weapon platforms perfectly. The odd one got smashed, but on the whole, they won the game for me.
Just make sure that before you build them, you have already changed their strat to 'Max range'.
If you don't believe me I'll show you in our game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

eorg

December 15th, 2003, 01:51 PM

hey http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

about loser sub-brackets - with current rules (first come first serve) when asmala-tesco game finishes there will be a big lag in all other games :-)

georgi

Alneyan

December 15th, 2003, 05:40 PM

I believe his meaning is that once a game with two skilled opponents ends, the other players might be encouraged to delay the end of their games so that they will not meet a very tough opponent on next turn. However, I don't believe this would actually happen.

Joachim, I don't know how many more battles were needed to destroy my happiness levels, but I do think it was pretty close. If you were very mean you might have sent this ship of yours to blockade my tiny rock planet in the Last system you invaded, as stalemates hurt morale if memory serves right. Or even a war declaration might have been enough. But still, I now see why you should built these mines before going on the offensive, especially when all your ships are only here to try to hold an additional, much needed system. So I believe you will definitively win, but I shall try my best to remain alive for a while. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Asmala

December 15th, 2003, 06:19 PM

How you're going to delay the end if the enemy is crushing you? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif And the crusher has no reason to delay the game.

geoschmo

December 15th, 2003, 07:30 PM

Ah, yes that is probably what he meant. I can see how that might be possible. The crushee could slow the game by simply not playing their turns. Although I hope noone would do such a thing. I doubt it will happen, but if it does I'll deal with it.

Fyron

December 15th, 2003, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
How you're going to delay the end if the enemy is crushing you? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif And the crusher has no reason to delay the game. Submit turns slowly of course.

Asmala

December 15th, 2003, 08:23 PM

True, that can be done. But I think/hope nobody here would do so. And of course the game can be put on fully automatic and short turn time (though now automatic turns are off).

geoschmo

December 16th, 2003, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by eorg:
hey http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

about loser sub-brackets - with current rules (first come first serve) when asmala-tesco game finishes there will be a big lag in all other games :-)

georgi I am not following you. How would there be a big lag in all the other games?

eorg

December 16th, 2003, 08:53 PM

Alneyan

December 18th, 2003, 04:34 PM

The League (my Empire) surrenders to Joachim after 48 turns and the arrival of two enemy fleets in my systems. He has more ships, more planets, more resources (even if I may have better ships, but they won't turn the tables on their own), and I cannot hope to get back to the offensive.

My main mistake was to delay mines for too long, allowing him to strike at random in my Empire, and these mines would have allowed me to take perhaps an additional system here or even two. In a galaxy with less than twenty systems, quite a few non-colonizable, it would have been welcomed. Since then I was fighting to catch up, but I was too far behind to really stand much of a chance as highlighted by the current battle results.

So Joachim will have to challenge the King. May Lady Luck shine on Joachim, for he will need it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ December 18, 2003, 14:42: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

Asmala

December 18th, 2003, 06:49 PM

King?

Alneyan

December 18th, 2003, 08:04 PM

Erh yes you are right, it would be BBegemott or perhaps Geoschmo. My memory seems to be quite faulty.

Slynky

December 18th, 2003, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
Erh yes you are right, it would be BBegemott or perhaps Geoschmo. My memory seems to be quite faulty. Welllll, one of them might be the King by then... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

eorg

December 19th, 2003, 09:57 AM

rextorres vs georgig 5:0 - he is just too good for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif i need some lessons before next try :-)

geoschmo

December 19th, 2003, 04:03 PM

I am having a little trouble upldating the bracket on the PBW server. Here's the current situation:

<blockquote>code:<hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">

Rd1
1 Asmala-------\ Rd2
--------\
16 Tesco Samoa--/ \ Rd3
--------\
8 Baron Grazic-\ / \
Baron Grazic-/ \
9 Parabolize---/ \
--------\
4 Slynky-------\ / \
Skynky--\ / \
13 Lord Chane---/ \ / \
--------/ \
5 RexTorres----\ / \ Winner
RexTorres-/ \ 4-0
12 Georgig------/ \1st Place
--------
2 Bbegemott----\ / Loser
Bbegemott-\ / 3-1
15 Geoschmo-----/ \ / 2nd Place
--------\ /
7 Alneyan------\ / \ /
Joachim-/ \ /
10 Joachim------/ \ /
--------/
3 Primitive----\ /
--------\ /
14 Gozguy-------/ \ /
--------/
6 Gecko--------\ /
Gecko---/
11 Steal Dragon-/

--------\ Winner, 3-1 3rd
Round three losers --------
--------/ Loser, 2-2 6th

Rd2a
--------\
--------\
--------/ \ Winner, 3-1 4th
Round two losers --------
--------\ / Loser 2-2 7th
--------/
--------/

--------\ Winner, 2-2 8th
Round 2a losers --------
--------/ Loser, 1-3 12th
Rd1a1
Lord Chane-\ Rd1a2
--------\
Parabolize-/ \
--------\
Steal Dragon-\ / \
--------/ \
Geoschmo-/ \ Winner, 3-1 5th
Round one losers --------
Alneyan-\ / Loser, 2-2 9th
--------\ /
Georgig-/ \ /
--------/
--------\ /
--------/
--------/

--------\ Winner, 2-2 10th
Rd1a2 losers --------
--------/ Loser, 1-3 13th

Rd1a1a
--------\
--------\
--------/ \ Winner, 2-2 11th
Rd1a1 losers --------
--------\ / Loser, 1-3 14th
--------/
--------/

--------\ Winner, 1-3 15th
Rd1a1a losers --------
--------/ Loser, 0-4 16th</pre><hr /></blockquote>

Geckomlis

December 19th, 2003, 04:33 PM

The first round games did not produce any real dark horse winners so far. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Hopefully Round two will be more interesting in regards to upset wins.

Alneyan

December 19th, 2003, 05:51 PM

Who knows Gecko? Asmala might lose if the Heart of Gold is involved. And even then, it would still be quite an unlikely event.

Georgig, it seems like we will play together next round. Do you have some preference for the settings? Hopefully my luck will come back in this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geckomlis

December 19th, 2003, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
Who knows Gecko? Asmala might lose if the Heart of Gold is involved. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Heart of Gold??? Could you explain that?

Gecko

Slynky

December 19th, 2003, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Geckomlis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Alneyan:
Who knows Gecko? Asmala might lose if the Heart of Gold is involved. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Heart of Gold??? Could you explain that?

Gecko <hr /></blockquote>If you know Alneyan at all, your Geckness, he speaks that way sometimes...it's a habit. (he's with the CIA if you didn't know).

Slynky

December 19th, 2003, 07:17 PM

Speaking of bashes...besides my head on a platter...what's your pleasure in game settings, RexTorres?

Alneyan

December 19th, 2003, 07:56 PM

Sssh Slynky, that is supposed to be a secret. And some might figure out I am actually working for more than one organization once they are aware I work for Intelligence gathering agencies. No, I didn't give myself away, it was merely... erh... well, a random eventuality.

The fabled Heart of Gold is, in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Douglas Adams) a device able to generate *very* unlikely events and as such is often called the "improbability drive". This device would be needed to defeat Asmala, therefore creating a surprise victory in the first round. And even this device might not be enough. And yet again I am raving.

eorg

December 19th, 2003, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
Georgig, it seems like we will play together next round. Do you have some preference for the settings? Hopefully my luck will come back in this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif hopefully not :-P so-called 'standart koth settings'?

rextorres

December 19th, 2003, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Speaking of bashes...besides my head on a platter...what's your pleasure in game settings, RexTorres? I chose Last time. You can choose this time.

Slynky

December 19th, 2003, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
Sssh Slynky, that is supposed to be a secret. And some might figure out I am actually working for more than one organization once they are aware I work for Intelligence gathering agencies. No, I didn't give myself away, it was merely... erh... well, a random eventuality.It is reverse psychology. Saying it makes it so obviously unbelievable. (or does it?)

Slynky

December 19th, 2003, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by rextorres:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
Speaking of bashes...besides my head on a platter...what's your pleasure in game settings, RexTorres? I chose Last time. You can choose this time. <hr /></blockquote>Then I won't venture far from the "KOTH Trail":

All KOTH settings except 1 GOOD planet instead of a medium.

Alneyan

December 19th, 2003, 10:13 PM

True enough Slynky, I had to state I was working for four intelligence agencies so that nobody would believe me. But obviously I had to dispel your own affirmation as this was the expected answer. Erh... well, the basic goal was to puzzle and confuse every potential dangerous spies.

Agreed Georgig, what about a Tesco map? I gather Intelligence is disabled? Apart from that, a single planet start with 20,000 resources is fine for me.

eorg

December 20th, 2003, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
Agreed Georgig, what about a Tesco map? I gather Intelligence is disabled? Apart from that, a single planet start with 20,000 resources is fine for me. tesco map single planet and 20000 resources ok but i would like to have intel http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Alneyan

December 20th, 2003, 10:16 AM

Agreed, I will tell Geo about the settings and change my Empire accordingly then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Joachim

December 21st, 2003, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Alneyan:
The League (my Empire) surrenders to Joachim after 48 turns and the arrival of two enemy fleets in my systems. He has more ships, more planets, more resources (even if I may have better ships, but they won't turn the tables on their own), and I cannot hope to get back to the offensive.

My main mistake was to delay mines for too long, allowing him to strike at random in my Empire, and these mines would have allowed me to take perhaps an additional system here or even two. In a galaxy with less than twenty systems, quite a few non-colonizable, it would have been welcomed. Since then I was fighting to catch up, but I was too far behind to really stand much of a chance as highlighted by the current battle results.

So Joachim will have to challenge the King. May Lady Luck shine on Joachim, for he will need it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Thanks for the good game. I was shocked at the damage I did to your planets early! Mines may well have changed everything....

Bbegemott settings?

tesco samoa

December 21st, 2003, 08:43 PM

well move alsama up . i surreneder at turn 40. Though I lost only one planet... I lost all my ships to a lovely one sided battle worthy of the greatest one sided battles that seiv has ever created....

BBegemott

December 21st, 2003, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Joachim:
Bbegemott settings? Default KOTH + no ancient?

Asmala

December 21st, 2003, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
well move alsama up . i surreneder at turn 40. Though I lost only one planet... I lost all my ships to a lovely one sided battle worthy of the greatest one sided battles that seiv has ever created.... If we want to be precise you lost two planets. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ECM 2 and trained ships and fleet against untrained (?) ships without combat sensors: the result was a slaughter. Not a single of my ships suffered damage.

LOL, I've never seen my name typed so wrong: "alsama" and in the other thread "alasma". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif It arouses a suspicion that it was deliberate. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

December 21st, 2003, 10:29 PM

I'm already thinking, "Alsama (or Aslama) Bin Laden"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

primitive

December 21st, 2003, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
LOL, I've never seen my name typed so wrong: "alsama" and in the other thread "alasma". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif It arouses a suspicion that it was deliberate. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif That is Tescos favorite little game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'll bet he is one of these guys who always laughs at the wrong places at movies, and with a real loud and annoying laughter to boost (a lot of snorts and spittle) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Slynky

December 21st, 2003, 11:23 PM

I make sure I spell Asmala correctly...I don't need any MORE reasons for him to get upset at me in a game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

Joachim

December 22nd, 2003, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by BBegemott:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Originally posted by Joachim:
Bbegemott settings? Default KOTH + no ancient? <hr /></blockquote>Done. Emp sent.

Alneyan

December 22nd, 2003, 10:07 AM

I know the feeling Tesco, it happened to me as well against Geoschmo. It hurts to see the destruction of fifty beloved light carriers equiped with heavy-mounted DUC V against a mere fourty of his own ships. Guess I should have tried a ramming tactics, it would have proven to be most amusing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif *Snickers* Such a waste of minerals, but it was an emergency after all.

But I will comfort you Tesco, it might be worse if you are fighting an opponent with Combat Sensors III /ECM III and full training while you don't have any of these. Then it is definitively a one-sided battle, that is, a single ship of yours against a whole enemy fleet. (Well, unless these annoying weapon-platforms are on station)

Slynky

December 28th, 2003, 03:30 AM

RexTorres vs Slynky: Slynky surrenders. Not much point in investing time in this one. If I know anything, I know I need to have better than average systems and planets to work with in order to beat him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

Me (in orange) having so many worthless systems around my home system and so few breathables with no minerals to speak of (my only colonies with minerals above 99% were 2-fac places)...well, I can't even keep 6 shipyards going and build other facs. I took a chance and didn't spend precious materials on mines in outlying areas (but he took a chance and killed 2 colonies anyway... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif ). My best systems were under constant contention while he started with a 46 fac-ability in his home system (I had 18).

He outplayed me as I tried to get to the only available breathables without benefit of any mines to cover them. I held them but at a cost that put me behind the "expansion curve" (so to speak).

Good playing, Rex! A mistake here or there and it might have been a bit different...I just don't think you made any.

Side note: Over one third of the systems were worthless. Wow! Also, second time I've played Rex (once for the KOTH) and we've only had 3 systems separating us both times... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

Rex's homeworld marked in yellow.
Worthless places grayed out.

http://se4-gaming.net\images\SE4-Game-1.jpg

Fyron

December 28th, 2003, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by Asmala:
LOL, I've never seen my name typed so wrong: "alsama" and in the other thread "alasma". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif It arouses a suspicion that it was deliberate. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Tesco never spells people's names right... I think he does do it on purpose. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

January 4th, 2004, 04:43 PM

Listen...

Hear a noise?

BUMP

Baron Grazic

January 6th, 2004, 11:53 AM

Bash Round 2 game.
I surrender to Asmala. I just couldn't couldn't catch a break this game and the 2 good systems that I needed, Asmala got to before I could take them.
Hopefully my early attack at least worried him for a little while. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Alneyan

January 6th, 2004, 06:51 PM

The Arcadia league (that's me) surrenders in the Georgig/Alneyan Ratings bash game. What can I say? I have been obliterated by better strategy and a much stronger economy, while I made quite a lot of mistakes of my own. (Why you should *not* lower Environemental Resistance and Reproduction too much to name but one.) And then the long-term approach has never been a good idea when you are in a quite small galaxy with no choke points, not to mention using Light Carriers against Destroyers. Poor ideas, poor execution, poor leadership, uncontested victory for Georgig. Well done! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Now you should beware, for I am attempting to seize the much sought after Crown. That is, the Crown you earn when you lose all your four matches. For now I am half way, and if I keep on playing that well, I don't expect to win any game in the Tournament. (However, I do hope to win a certain KOTH game with Grazic. I can daydream, can't I? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif )

Fyron

January 6th, 2004, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
When you surrendered to me I was amazed to notice that you had researched second colony type. I would prefer combat sensors to that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Unless they were disabled, there is always the possibility of ruins.

[ January 06, 2004, 17:24: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Asmala

January 6th, 2004, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Unless they were disabled, there is always the possibility of ruins. They were disabled.

Asmala

January 6th, 2004, 08:08 PM

RexTorres, the enemy I have feared most to encounter. Lastly I met him in KOTH game and he kicked my butt so hard and thoroughly it's still timid. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geo, are you going to update the Tournament Bracket? When you do it could you also correct the typo: Skynky has vexed me a long time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Slynky

January 6th, 2004, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
When you do it could you also correct the typo: Skynky has vexed me a long time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Yeah, if you're going to make a typo in my nick, at least make it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif like, "Skanky" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

Baron Grazic

January 6th, 2004, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
Your attack indeed worried me, I wasn't expecting an attack from there. Luckily my emergency build weapon platforms were able to stop your fleet. Hmm, missile ships aren't very good against planets, that range-bug is quite serious one.

When you surrendered to me I was amazed to notice that you had researched second colony type. I would prefer combat sensors to that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I had combat sensors II, just no money to retro-fit my ships or build new ones, that was why I researched a second colony. I was stuck in a small area with almost no Rock Planets of any size and had to get money somehow. The early attack was designed to keep you on the defensive and to allow me to get control of that good system. It worked for all of 6 turns before you destroyed that system and moved on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Originally posted by Alneyan:
However, I do hope to win a certain KOTH game with Grazic. I can daydream, can't I? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif It might not be a day-dream. That game still balances on a knifes edge.

Baron Grazic

January 6th, 2004, 10:51 PM

Can I both you for a second Geo, Can you reset my empire file for the "Ratings Bash - Slynky vs Baron Grazic" game.

Slynky - Standard Koth settings, with no intel?

geoschmo

January 6th, 2004, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Can I both you for a second Geo, Can you reset my empire file for the "Ratings Bash - Slynky vs Baron Grazic" game.
k

Baron Grazic

January 6th, 2004, 11:03 PM

Thanks.

Asmala

January 7th, 2004, 02:18 AM

Your attack indeed worried me, I wasn't expecting an attack from there. Luckily my emergency build weapon platforms were able to stop your fleet. Hmm, missile ships aren't very good against planets, that range-bug is quite serious one.

When you surrendered to me I was amazed to notice that you had researched second colony type. I would prefer combat sensors to that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

January 7th, 2004, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Can I both you for a second Geo, Can you reset my empire file for the "Ratings Bash - Slynky vs Baron Grazic" game.

Slynky - Standard Koth settings, with no intel? That's fine, Baron.

geoschmo

January 7th, 2004, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
RexTorres vs Slynky: Slynky surrenders.Our first upset, although a mild one. A 5 seed over a 4 seed.

geoschmo

January 7th, 2004, 02:58 AM

New game: Asmala vs Rex. Looks to be a titanic struggle. Winner of this game earns the first spot in the Tournament Championship game.

Although they might have to wait a while to learn who their opponent will be. Take your time guys, we still have one first round game still going on.

[ January 06, 2004, 12:59: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Baron Grazic

January 7th, 2004, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Can I both you for a second Geo, Can you reset my empire file for the "Ratings Bash - Slynky vs Baron Grazic" game.

Slynky - Standard Koth settings, with no intel? That's fine, Baron. <hr /></blockquote>In that case, I'll wager my new Empire against the current number 1 ranking player.

And now while your head is in the clouds, I'll kick you below the belt. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ January 07, 2004, 01:01: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

geoschmo

January 7th, 2004, 06:03 AM

Bracket updated. Skynky is no more. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Joachim

January 8th, 2004, 01:12 PM

I surrender to Bbegemott - I was boxed into 10% of the galaxy with no chance.

BBegemott

January 8th, 2004, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by Joachim:
I surrender to Bbegemott - I was boxed into 10% of the galaxy with no chance. I believe if the starting positions were switched, I was to face your destiny. My victory was pure luck. That's why I am going to take Tesco Maps in all my upcoming one-one games.

Slynky

January 8th, 2004, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by BBegemott:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Originally posted by Joachim:
I surrender to Bbegemott - I was boxed into 10% of the galaxy with no chance. I believe if the starting positions were switched, I was to face your destiny. My victory was pure luck. That's why I am going to take Tesco Maps in all my upcoming one-one games. <hr /></blockquote>That's not foolproof, either. I played on a Tesco map where someone started in the center and I started in the corner (leaving most of the galaxy behind him for safe expansion with only the need to keep me blocked in to my little corner of the map). So... don't count on it.

geoschmo

January 8th, 2004, 05:27 PM

The problem with the Tesco maps, no offense to Tesco because I know it was a lot of work making them, is they have 4 common starting positions. I think he intended them to be useable for Koth or non Koth games, which is fine. But Koth maps should have 2 starting positions, or if there are more then two, they should be specific starting positions that alternate across the quadrant.

Geoschmo

Asmala

January 8th, 2004, 07:34 PM

Perhaps someone could make a map pack specially designed for two player games. It would be good if the maps in the map pack are ordered somehow, for example first small maps, then medium maps and Last a few large maps.

tesco samoa

January 9th, 2004, 09:50 PM

the 4 common starting positions were added per the conversations of koth at the time it also increased the usability of the maps 4 fold ( or some number ) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I like your idea geo on the moving them. and have 2 common positions. As set positions will not work cause I always end up as player one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif So the same start would suck...

So I will make various maps with different sizes, two common start positions. Some maps will have ruins , some will be finite. They will be of different sizes

The naming convention for the maps will go

Pl2Re1Ru1Si1Ty1Ve0.map

Where the Pl = Players and the number will be the number of common starting positions.
Si = Size and 1 =under 25 systems, 2=26-50 , 3 = 51-75 , 4 = 76-100, 5 = 101-125, 6= 126-150, 7=151-175, 8= 176-200 9=>200
TY=Type 1 = Mid-Life, 2 = Cluster, 3= Galactic Edge, 4= Spiral Arm, 5=Grid,6=Ancient
Re= Resources, 1= Regular ,2=Finite
Ru= Ruins, 1= None, 2= Ruins
Ve= Version, with 0 being original and 1 and up different Versions of the map with different starting positions

Or is there an easier way to name the maps... Or am I missing something.

geoschmo

January 10th, 2004, 01:09 AM

I guess any kind of naming convention works as long as we have a key. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You could organize different types into subfolders and not worry about the name so much. But I guess either way works.

Slynky

January 10th, 2004, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
I guess any kind of naming convention works as long as we have a key. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You could organize different types into subfolders and not worry about the name so much. But I guess either way works. Well, Geo, let me remind you of our cardinal rule in IT (well, it's an old programmer saying but you should be familiar with it by now):

"Why make something simple and easy to understand when we can find a way to make it complex and wonderful?"

J/K, Tesco...

BTW, I might suggest: Pn-Rn-Un-Sn-Tn-Vn.map

Where:

P = Players
R = Resources
U - Ruins
S = Size
T = Type
V = Version

n = numeric value

(If you liked acronyms, you could even swap it around and call it SPURTv.map) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

geoschmo

January 10th, 2004, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by Asmala:
Perhaps someone could make a map pack specially designed for two player games. It would be good if the maps in the map pack are ordered somehow, for example first small maps, then medium maps and Last a few large maps. I have started that several times. I even had planned on it as far back as I hoped to get a map pack included on the Gold CD. But it's one of those things that never seems to get done.

Geoschmo

tesco samoa

January 10th, 2004, 02:16 AM

i can do it. how many maps at each level do you want ??? Then give me a week.

There will be two sets of maps.

One with Ruins

One with no ruins.

And then a couple of each level with finite resources... as it is an area we all do not explore enough

[ January 09, 2004, 12:17: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

geoschmo

January 10th, 2004, 02:25 AM

I was thinking to save time you could use the each map more then once, but with the common starting points in differnt places. In fact by only moving one or the other common starting point you could make several maps using the same basic map and noone would know where the other guy was even if they tried to figure it out by scanning all the maps in the editor. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Asmala

January 10th, 2004, 08:36 AM

I would like to see some subfolder organization, it would make much easier to search a certain map. What about two specific starting positions for each player, does it work?

Tesco, I hope you're not using the map editor when you generate the maps. It has poor randomness, every time you start the program again you'll get the same maps in the same order.

primitive

January 14th, 2004, 10:28 AM

Turn 74: Guzguy surrenders.
Goz is certainly one though dude, fighting on to the Last man instead of folding early. A bit of luck and a few strategically placed minefields early and the Horde managed to secure the larger part of the map. From there on it was just a slow, slow grind to the end.

Then it�s us next Gecko. Any specific settings you would like ? I am game for most setups, but I prefer a no Ancient rule.

Baron Grazic

January 15th, 2004, 02:21 AM

Geo, when you get a chance, can you take a look at the 'Ratings Bash - Slynky vs Baron Grazic' game. Thanks.
The error message is :-
[ERROR] Execution of next turn failed: Bad master password (geoschmo)

Geckomlis

January 15th, 2004, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by primitive:
Turn 74: Guzguy surrenders.
Goz is certainly one though dude, fighting on to the Last man instead of folding early. A bit of luck and a few strategically placed minefields early and the Horde managed to secure the larger part of the map. From there on it was just a slow, slow grind to the end.

Then it�s us next Gecko. Any specific settings you would like ? I am game for most setups, but I prefer a no Ancient rule. Hmmm... No Ancient + No Intel and you have an agreement.

Baron Grazic

January 15th, 2004, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
Geo, when you get a chance, can you take a look at the 'Ratings Bash - Slynky vs Baron Grazic' game. Thanks.
The error message is :-
[ERROR] Execution of next turn failed: Bad master password (geoschmo) Thanks Geo for fixing it the first time, but it has happened again.
Slynky - looks like the game will need a restart - dam. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

geoschmo

January 15th, 2004, 04:48 AM

No, there is nothing wrong with the game. It's the server. Give me a minute to clear up the problem.

Paul1980au

January 15th, 2004, 04:59 AM

Looks like the play by web server and program need to be upgraded.

geoschmo

January 15th, 2004, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by Paul1980au:
Looks like the play by web server and program need to be upgraded. We are kind of in the middle of doing that. That's what's causing the problems. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But it should be ok now. At least for the rest of the night.

Baron Grazic

January 15th, 2004, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:We are kind of in the middle of doing that. That's what's causing the problems. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But it should be ok now. At least for the rest of the night. [/QB]Or the rest of the day for us here 'downunder'. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
Yep does seem ok now, Thanks.

primitive

January 15th, 2004, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Geckomlis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by primitive:

Then it�s us next Gecko. Any specific settings you would like ? I am game for most setups, but I prefer a no Ancient rule. Hmmm... No Ancient + No Intel and you have an agreement. <hr /></blockquote>What about a Tesco map and 3 planets ?

Does not really matter to me. Could you inform Geo of whatever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geckomlis

January 15th, 2004, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by primitive:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Geckomlis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by primitive:

Then it�s us next Gecko. Any specific settings you would like ? I am game for most setups, but I prefer a no Ancient rule. Hmmm... No Ancient + No Intel and you have an agreement. <hr /></blockquote>What about a Tesco map and 3 planets ?

Does not really matter to me. Could you inform Geo of whatever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>Agreed.

Baron Grazic

January 16th, 2004, 06:11 AM

Turn 69 and I have surrendered to Slynky.
Even before Slynky's offensive, my ship Maintenance was 100% of my income, with nowhere to colonise. Ice Colonisation was in queue, but I was destroying my Research Centres to support my fleet.
We attempted an offense of our own only to loose our 100+ ship fleet. We now have plenty of money but no way I'll be able to stop Slynky now.
Congrats and good luck in the next game Slynky.

Slynky

January 16th, 2004, 06:27 AM

Actually, I'm a bit astounded you did all you did! I had 141 ships when I saw your fleet of 106 heading my way. I had remote mining on asteroids of less than 200% (I really hate that!) for nearly a total of 40k that way. And could barely keep my fleet in the air (and build a few more things). You had 45 colonies at your biggest and I had 67 (73 at turn's end as my Ice colonys started landing). So, you had a heck of a fleet with an empire two thirds of mine.

We both know the map played a key role in this one. If I had to work with less than what I was given, I'm not sure what I would have done against you.

I was worried my 53 ships might get slaughtered against your 106 (a bit less than 100 warships). I had to hope my superior tech and full training would save me...that and first shot (where I managed to get 16 ships to start off the battle).

You played an excellent game, Baron.

Baron Grazic

January 16th, 2004, 06:54 AM

I said when we first met that I wanted to change Home Systems. If it was the other way around, then things would have been different. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
After that fleet was destroyed, I had a total of 3 ships and one of them was a Mine Layer. It was a Last ditch move that was going to prove the game one way or the other.
Give me a week or 2 break and then I'll challenge you for a rematch. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

parabolize

January 19th, 2004, 03:13 AM

Lord chane vs Parabolize
date 2408.5
Lord Chane surrenders
GREAT GAME
He had way to many PPBs with non-existant refining. On the other hand I had way to low combat %s. The only thing that got me the win was taking the bottom of the map befor he did.

Geckomlis

January 20th, 2004, 09:13 AM

Ratings Bash - Primitive vs Gecko
2404.8

Gecko surrenders to Primitive. Thanks for a good game Primitive. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

primitive

January 20th, 2004, 11:38 AM

Kudos to Gecko for having the guts to be different. His tactic and �no clone� setup were bold, but he was stiffed by the map. A different map and this game could easily have gone the other way.

Thanks for the lesson Gecko, you definitely gave me something to think about for the future. Maybe I�ll go for something similar in my next game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

primitive

January 20th, 2004, 11:40 AM

Oups.
I just realised the semifinalists are:
BB: The KING !!!
Rex: Former King and experienced tournament winner.
Asmala: Current no 1 contender and generally regarded as the most feared player on PBW.
Primitive: Barbarian well known for his bad body odor.

Maybe it's time for some humble pie.

Baron Grazic

January 20th, 2004, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by primitive:
Oups.
I just realised the semifinalists are:
BB: The KING !!!
Rex: Former King and experienced tournament winner.
Asmala: Current no 1 contender and generally regarded as the most feared player on PBW.
Primitive: Barbarian well known for his bad body odor.

Maybe it's time for some humble pie. I think this tournie is proving what we all know... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Now as for who will be number 1, now that will be worth waiting for. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ January 20, 2004, 21:09: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

Joachim

January 20th, 2004, 11:56 PM

heh Gecko,

Appears we're up. Settings?

My ambit claim is Koth, no ancient, no intel, good planet - yours?

eorg

January 26th, 2004, 06:36 PM

geo, please, i need about 2.5mb in your mailbox :-)

Geckomlis

January 26th, 2004, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Joachim:
heh Gecko,

Appears we're up. Settings?

My ambit claim is Koth, no ancient, no intel, good planet - yours? That works for me.

Joachim

January 27th, 2004, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Geckomlis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Joachim:
heh Gecko,

Appears we're up. Settings?

My ambit claim is Koth, no ancient, no intel, good planet - yours? That works for me. <hr /></blockquote>Cool, will upload emp tonight when I get home.
Good Luck!

Asmala

January 27th, 2004, 08:21 PM

Ratings Bash - Asmala vs RexTorres 2406.0

I surrendered to RexTorres. Not much to say about this one, he was so good. Absolutely the best player I have ever played against. At least I learned something, you should not pick Scientists but Berzerkers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

tesco samoa

February 1st, 2004, 02:19 AM

Ratings Bash - Tesco Samoa vs Gozguy
turn 21

Gozguy surrenders...

.... which in turn turns out to be a computer player

[ February 01, 2004, 13:24: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

eorg

February 1st, 2004, 08:25 AM

tesco let's play it on stranger mod http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Gozra

February 1st, 2004, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Ratings Bash - Tesco Samoa vs Gozguy
turn 21

Gozguy surrenders... Time out
GOZGUY DID NOT SURRENDER IN this Game.
I am very upset
I don't know what race surrendered to you but it was not mine.
I was Emperor Lee of the Chin Empire and the Chin Empire was doing well.
There has been a mistake made. I understood the the AI's and neutrals had gotten into the game. And I understood we would play on. In fact I had a treaty with the U'katal. Some other AI empire must have surrendered to you. I hope we can fix this. I have saved all the turns.
Gozguy

geoschmo

February 1st, 2004, 03:05 PM

?

Ok, whatever the problem is I am sure we can fix it. Let me check it out.

geoschmo

February 1st, 2004, 03:19 PM

Ok, apparently I screwed up and left random AI and neutral players in this game.

The funny thing is neither of you apparenlty noticed.

The hilarious thing is Tesco not only didn't notice, he thought one of the AI was Goz and when they surendered he thought the game was over. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

What I think we need to do is restart with no AI. Unless you both want to continue the game as is with the AI. If both of you want to I'll allow it.

Geoschmo

tesco samoa

February 1st, 2004, 03:21 PM

restart

tesco samoa

February 1st, 2004, 03:23 PM

Sorry Gozra.

geoschmo

February 1st, 2004, 03:31 PM

It was all my mistake Tesco, I am the one that needs to appologize. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

By the way, can you guys refresh me on what the game settings were supposed to be.

tesco samoa

February 1st, 2004, 04:13 PM

they were standard koth... the barren settings....

tesco samoa

February 1st, 2004, 04:48 PM

And Geo... No need to appologize my friend.

BBegemott

February 11th, 2004, 01:13 PM

Turn 2405.1 and BBegemott surreneders to Primitive.

Primitive played a tough game and really deserved this victory. Congrats!

primitive

February 11th, 2004, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by BBegemott:
Turn 2405.1 and BBegemott surreneders to Primitive.

Primitive played a tough game and really deserved this victory. Congrats! Thanks to BB for a great game. He's one tough customer and stayed with it till the end.

10 normal planets, High tech cost, Tesco map with approx 40 systems. The Horde played it safe and was of the traditional Rock-none breed, while BBs Vengeful Dreamers had a bit bolder choice. Early expansion was fast and furious, and when the dust settled we had about half of the map each. My half was pretty rich and had a nice layout with easy communication between North and South, while BB had a long way to travel to get his ships from the South/Central systems to the Northern frontier.

The luck in the early action went all to the Horde as I managed to get a bunch of BBs ships with some nasty minefields and, more importantly, snag a few of his breathers. A double set of population and all 3 colonytechs done pretty early (easy with 10 planet starts), was enough to build a huge tech advantage. When the real fighting started and BB took some of my population, my ships was already practically invincible (compared to his). He gave me a run for my money though, attacking in numbers and almost broke through to my soft inner systems more than once.

Good game BB, thats makes it 1-1. Good luck in keeping the Crown until we can have a rematch http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

primitive

February 11th, 2004, 06:37 PM

Rex:
Any prefered settings for the final ? I am game for almost everything http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

What about some sort of balanced map ? Either something custommade or using Geo's mod.

Alneyan

February 12th, 2004, 02:33 AM

*Gasps* The current King is defeated by Primitive? I should start worrying then... (I happen to play against the Hordes in a KOTH game) Now where is that white flag... That is the scheme. I shall make a truce with Primitive and then send in all my warships through the backdoor as soon as he is no longer wary. *Evil chuckle*

Joachim

February 21st, 2004, 10:16 PM

Gecko has pulled out due to RL. What does this mean for our Bash? If it is over (as I would now assume) can I see his empire to judge how I was going?

Slynky

February 22nd, 2004, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Joachim:
Gecko has pulled out due to RL. What does this mean for our Bash? If it is over (as I would now assume) can I see his empire to judge how I was going? Looks like you and me, Joachim. Suggestions for our finale' ?

geoschmo

February 22nd, 2004, 06:04 PM

Gecko's withdrawal also unfortunatly affects Baron Grazic as it leaves him without a final game opponent.

Slynky

February 22nd, 2004, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Gecko's withdrawal also unfortunatly affects Baron Grazic as it leaves him without a final game opponent. Yes, makes it awkward. I suppose, without thinking about it too much...that he could receive a bye (with no rating adjustment) and be counted as a win. Though not strictly correct, it may "tie the package up" a bit. Kinda like counting the bye as a forfeit.

tesco samoa

February 22nd, 2004, 08:57 PM

that sounds fair. advance him with 0 score

Slynky

February 22nd, 2004, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
that sounds fair. advance him with 0 score Not sure if your comment was meant to be sarcastic or not. Hard to tell here... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . But, IF it was a negative comment, there is surely an opportunity to make an alternate suggestion.

In my opinion, one of the main reasons for playing was the "forced" matches with various opponents that one may never have played (otherwise). And for each completed game, there was/is a Ratings adjustment. Completing the tournement in a certain position is nice but having gained rating points is really the most important when all is done and said.

geoschmo

February 23rd, 2004, 01:00 AM

Yeah, I'll leave it up to you Slynky as far as Ratings. For the tournament, Baron get's a bye and the 8th place finish. That doesnt' really count for anything but bragging rights. Currently I have Gecko listed as 14th, but I will probably end up dropping him and bumping everybody below him up a notch.

Joachim

February 23rd, 2004, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
Looks like you and me, Joachim. Suggestions for our finale'I'm up for anything. How about a strange new Tesco map?

[ February 23, 2004, 00:25: Message edited by: Joachim ]

Baron Grazic

February 23rd, 2004, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Yeah, I'll leave it up to you Slynky as far as Ratings. For the tournament, Baron get's a bye and the 8th place finish. That doesnt' really count for anything but bragging rights. Currently I have Gecko listed as 14th, but I will probably end up dropping him and bumping everybody below him up a notch. Well I suppose I can't complain. I consider myself an average player, which my rating and finishing 8th out of 16 seems to prove.
I would have prefered winning my 4th match however, but now that just means I'll have time for another game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

tesco samoa

February 23rd, 2004, 03:00 AM

hang off on those new koth maps they are none fav's right now

Slynky

February 23rd, 2004, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Joachim:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
Looks like you and me, Joachim. Suggestions for our finale'I'm up for anything. How about a strange new Tesco map? <hr /></blockquote>Until the maps get a "lookover", how about one of Geo's maps from his Balance 1.1 Mod (I'd say one of his "balanced random" of the medium size with an adjustment in starting positions that puts a minimum of 5 systems between starting systems and a max of 10)?

Other settings (since you didn't make any suggestions)...how about:

1 or 3 GOOD homeworlds;
3,000 racial points;
No intel
No events
No AI
No Ancient ability

Your turn to comment http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Joachim

February 24th, 2004, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Joachim:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
Looks like you and me, Joachim. Suggestions for our finale'I'm up for anything. How about a strange new Tesco map? <hr /></blockquote>Until the maps get a "lookover", how about one of Geo's maps from his Balance 1.1 Mod (I'd say one of his "balanced random" of the medium size with an adjustment in starting positions that puts a minimum of 5 systems between starting systems and a max of 10)?

Other settings (since you didn't make any suggestions)...how about:

1 or 3 GOOD homeworlds;
3,000 racial points;
No intel
No events
No AI
No Ancient ability

Your turn to comment http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>OK to everything, and 1 good homeworld.

Slynky

February 24th, 2004, 03:32 AM

Joachim:

Uploading my file now. Hopefully, Geo won't mind spending a few extra minutes adjusting starting positions.

(Sure will be nice when the patch comes out...seems like I remember them tweaking the placement issue a bit)

Joachim

February 24th, 2004, 04:29 AM

I will in about 4 hours when I get home.

Good Luck!

primitive

February 25th, 2004, 11:56 AM

Bash final - Rex Rex and his Rex Empire VS the Primitive Hordes � Turn 50

Spiral arm of approx 80 systems 3 normal planets, no stellar and no ancient (Tanx to Rex for allowing the restart when first map was not as expected).

- First mad colonization rush:
The Horde manages to grab a slightly larger piece of the map. Holding it is another matter http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

- Some early skirmishing:
The Primitive ones favourite toy; cloacked mine layers, turned out to be largely useless as Rex had his sensor satellites up at approx the same time the first mines was placed behind his lines. Losses (for him) were disappointingly small.

- First small attack:
A fleet of 29 of Rex famous destroyers crosses the border in the south. The Horde refuses battle and vacates a partially colonized system. Rex presses into the next and glasses a planet very close to the warppoint. Before he gets to the next (only 2 in the system) a small fleet of hastily upgraded LCs intercept and destroy the raiders. The Horde won the battle, but the border is moved one system closer to home.

- Lull (sort of):
Guess both of us was busy colonizing with our second tech and researching.

- New attack:
This time a fleet of 70 of Rex�s ships (50 % LC�s, 50 % Destroyers) enters the southern system. The Horde once again refuses battle and vacates the Last planet. This time Rex don�t (dare to http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) follow through into the next system but turns back. Only the Primitive one knows what would have been waiting at warppoint http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

- Turn 50, The Horde strikes back:
A raider fleet of some 25 LCs strikes into Rex territory in the far North and captures a planet. Rex has a small fleet of older ships there which should be easy meat if they engage. Only Rex knows if there are more ships hiding nearby. We will soon find out how much damage the raiders can manage to do.

- Status:
Don�t have a clue. The Horde still holds a slightly larger part of the map, but Rex has been in front on points for the entire game. If he is only a little bit in front then there is no problem, as he gets quite a bit of points from base shipyards and the (at this point in the game) useless destroyers. If he is far in front, then I�m in deep ****. The Tech he has shown so far is not too impressive, but who know what he has been hiding. A spyship hiding in a storm deep into Rex territory spotted some battleships at a disturbingly early date (turn 45 or something), but they need to have better weapons and speed than he has shown so far to be effective.

I�ll keep you posted. This is the most exciting/fun game I have been in for a long time. To those not voting for Rex in Slynky�s poll: WTF are you thinking, this guy is gooood http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

February 25th, 2004, 01:22 PM

Nice update, Primitive. Thanks for letting us "little people" know how the "big guns" are doing.

[ February 25, 2004, 11:22: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Slynky

February 25th, 2004, 01:35 PM

Thanks for the game start, Geo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

geoschmo

March 16th, 2004, 09:09 PM

Any body have any updates on their Bash Tourney games? We've got a few still going on.

Slynky

March 16th, 2004, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Any body have any updates on their Bash Tourney games? We've got a few still going on. You mean other than Joachim outproducing me (leaving me in 2nd place) even though he has much less than half of the galaxy map (Balance mod)? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Nope...nothing else to report.

[ March 16, 2004, 21:04: Message edited by: Slynky ]

Joachim

March 17th, 2004, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by geoschmo:
Any body have any updates on their Bash Tourney games? We've got a few still going on. You mean other than Joachim outproducing me (leaving me in 2nd place) even though he has much less than half of the galaxy map (Balance mod)? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Nope...nothing else to report. <hr /></blockquote>Yet everytime a new uber fleet engages a rat-tag motly collection of Slynky Junks I get wasted?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Am I back in first? I gave up looking about ten turns ago as you'd been in first for a while.

Alneyan

March 17th, 2004, 09:46 AM

Good luck to you Slynky, you should do better than I did against Joachim. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I remember a soundly eating against him, while I think I had a bit more colonies than he did. But then, I cannot say I played well in any of my Ratings Bash game.

primitive

March 17th, 2004, 12:38 PM

Okay dokay, Here is a bit of news.

Bash final - Rex Rex and his Rex Empire VS the Primitive Hordes

Turn 98, Rex surrenders

Turn 50 to 98,
- The Hordes Northern raiders clear out two nice but only partially developed systems in the far NorthWest (Actually only capturing 1 planet and Rex abandons the rest)
- Another raider fleet in the West goes south and captures a planet. Spots a Rex fleet of 60+ and flees back to mommy.
- Rex�s fleet of 60+ goes North. All available Horde ships line up on the warppoint leading into the Home system (eastward). Rex is smart and chooses to continue North instead. Over the next 10 or so turns Rex glasses (or the Horde abandons) 20 odd planets in 3 very good systems. WPs and suicide raids by small fleets manage to grind away on Rex�s fleet until it becomes of a manageable size and a hastily assembled force can take out the rest. This whole incident did not sit well with the members of the Horde with most planets dropping to angry and indifferent. Luck was on my side however as the 3rd colonizing tech was just coming in and some emergency colonization (and the resettling of 2 of the glassed systems) soon made the Horde jubilant again.
- Turn 70 something, another of Rex fleets of 60-70 ships goes Northwards, this time in the East, but is blown out of the sky by the Hordes main fleet. While numbering fewer ships, the Horde had the tech advantage (BS with PPB�s VS BC�s with DUC�s) it ended in a great turkey shoot. For the first time since turn 3 the Horde found itself in first position.
- Meanwhile, a steady stream of Horde raider fleets attacks in the deep south. The terrain there is full of empty systems and it�s therefore very hard to put up warppoint defence. The first 3-4 fleets pushes Rex out of a few system (Rex is good with the Abandon button http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) before they goes down to Minefields, WP�s or Rex�s fleets.
- Turn 90: Build-up is done and the steamroller starts rolling almost simultaneously on 5 fronts. The greater economy of the Horde (I got 50 % of the map secured, Rex 1/3rd and the rest is border/wasteland) has the fleets up to about 150 Battleships and 200 Dreads, most upgraded with Phased shields. Although Rex best ships now can match mine one-on-one, with the numbers on my side in almost all battles, it�s soon over.
- Turn 98, Rex surrenders.

Thanks to Rex for a magnificent game. This one was really close and could have gone either way. Rex went for huge early fleets, while I went for tech and infrastructure. Only the size of the map saved me from crumbling under his early attack. A smaller map and Rex would have been the winner (Thanxs Geo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Slynky

March 17th, 2004, 01:38 PM

Congrats to the Hordes!

That makes you the tourney winner, right, Primitive? And with a bit of point computation caught up, Ratings leader. Now all you need is the KOTH crown and you can break out some meade and swill for us http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

Alneyan

March 17th, 2004, 01:55 PM

In the days of old, I dared to hope to be able to stand the slightest chance against the Horde. But by know, two former Kings (Rex was King if I am not mistaken, but my memory seems faulty) have fallen to the Hordes, and a third one could very well need to fight for his crown. No wonder I was beaten by these Hordes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

rextorres

March 17th, 2004, 07:57 PM

Primitive's analysis of the game is spot on. I chose the quick knock out blow and Primitive was able to absorb it. My home systems were in the corner of the map and I realized that a long game would have been difficult for me to win.

[ March 17, 2004, 18:01: Message edited by: rextorres ]

primitive

March 18th, 2004, 02:02 AM

Hands Slynky and Alneyan a horn each of the good stuff.

It�s been a good week http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Sk�l.

BBegemott

May 3rd, 2004, 11:32 AM

BBegemott surrenders to Asmala. He played in no-mistaky style and desreved this victory.

Congratulations with the 3rd place!

Asmala

May 3rd, 2004, 10:12 PM

Thanks for the game BBegemott. I think the key for my victory was the starting position. I started much nearer the center than you so I was able to grab a bigger part of the galaxy. The result was I had bigger resource income, but I made one mistake: I stopped building research centers too early, when I had about 200k research points (it was a high research cost game). Even though my ships weren't so advanced as BBgemott's, my numbers overwhelmed his fleets.

The map was Geo's Balanced map and it was nice. The only problem was the amount of planets: it was quite laborious to maintain over 500 planets and 1000 ships.

geoschmo

July 23rd, 2004, 01:35 AM

Well, somehow I missed the fact that Lord Chane beat Gozguy while I was on vacation. That gives us two more matches, assuming that all four of you are still around. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif This tourney has been going on for a while now.

Alneyan vs Lord Chane

and

Steal Dragon vs Gozguy

Tourney is almost over. Top spots have already been decided. If Georgig and Tesco would finish their game then everybody would be on their Last round games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

July 23rd, 2004, 01:38 AM

I know that Lord Chane and Alneyan know they will be playing and, I assume, intend to see what comes of the match.

Hopefully, when it's all done, there will be a rankings list posted.

geoschmo

July 23rd, 2004, 01:43 AM

Hey, I have a little problem. I remember that Steal Dragon goes by something else on PBW but can't remember what it is. Does anyone remember what his name there is?

geoschmo

July 23rd, 2004, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Slynky:
I know that Lord Chane and Alneyan know they will be playing and, I assume, intend to see what comes of the match.

Hopefully, when it's all done, there will be a rankings list posted. I've been updating the bracket as things progress at least as far as the tourney results go. Don' tknow about the actual Ratings points. That's more your area. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Slynky

July 23rd, 2004, 01:45 AM

Anyone who played him should be able to take a guess. But I'm at a loss, I think.

Slynky

July 23rd, 2004, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Slynky:
I know that Lord Chane and Alneyan know they will be playing and, I assume, intend to see what comes of the match.

Hopefully, when it's all done, there will be a rankings list posted. I've been updating the bracket as things progress at least as far as the tourney results go. Don' tknow about the actual Ratings points. That's more your area. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>Yeah, I know I do the rating points (and I've kept up with it...in fact, getting ready to update the site with the new games). I just meant the order that people finished in the tourney itself http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .