The ssecret's out...

[Richard]

Very good news aye http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif.

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Sarge is coming...

Richard Arnesen
Director of Covert Ops
Shrapnel Games
http://www.shrapnelgames.com

[jars_u]

Space Empires 4... Although I have not played any of the previous Versions I love the 4x space games, and this one looks like a winner. Going to wait until the demo is available for download but I have a feeling I will be pre-ordring this one. Does anyone know if it has pbem support?

[Grumbling Grognard]

Congrats on landing this one guys!

I have been playing the demo at work quite a bit (gotta love the IT bus. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif )

I have never played any of the previous SE games but I am 99% sold on this one. Its got that...just one more turn feel for me.

That is NOT a good thing to have in a game at work btw http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

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The Grumbling Grognard

[Fred]

Great news!

I loved SE 3 and I will pre-order SE 4 today...a "must have"...

Oh my, WDK 2K, Combat Mission and now SE 4...I need more time http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Fred

[Brian Rock]

This looks like a winner.

I was a devout MOO & MOO2 addict. I have been a bit less than captivated by some of the other offering - too much micromanagement, not enough cool stuff.

When the new demo comes out I'll be having a closer look.

The only drawback of an August demo date is that I expect to be spending most of my eveneings with Steel Beasts. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Good luck with this one.

[AaronEdward]

yes it has pbem support
there is a demo available, from the Malfador site. http://www.malfador.com/se4dwnld.html
It also has a turn limit of 100 turns.

[This message has been edited by AaronEdward (edited 28 July 2000).]

[Master Belisarius]

Oh well, I'm one of the hard core Se3 fans...I have played SE3 100 more times than every other game (hey, and still I'm playing!).
Not nice graphics of course, but in my opinion (and not is only my opinion), the better 4x game that I ever saw (well, I loved Moo2 too).

Now, with SE4, I'm not expecting less from MM... for that reason I'll be demanding with SE4!!!
I hope that this time, Aaron can get some reward for his great work! http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

And yea, Jars_u, SE4 have pbem support.

[Master Belisarius]

Oh well, I'm one of the hard core Se3 fans...I have played SE3 100 more times than every other game (hey, and still I'm playing!).
Not nice graphics of course, but in my opinion (and is not only my opinion), the better 4x game that I ever saw (well, I loved Moo2 too).

Now, with SE4, I'm not expecting less from MM... for that reason I'll be demanding with SE4!!!
I hope that this time, Aaron can get some reward for his great work! http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

And yea, Jars_u, SE4 have pbem support.

[Tim Brooks]

...and now if Richard could learn to spell "secret" http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/tongue.gif

We are glad to have this awesome game! Thanks Aaron, you have a winner if the first 12 hours of Pre-sales are any indication.



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Tim Brooks
Shrapnel Games

[Aloid]

For those of you who have not played any of the SE games, you're in for a treat! SE4 is like MOO 2 on steriods. Everything is customizable, and there are automated ministers for just about anything you don't want to do yourself. Of course, you can do everything if you want to.
You develop ships from components, and can save their templates for future games. Same is true for races.
Get the demo, and give it some time. It takes a while to get used to, but that's the price you pay to be able to do soo much!

Enjoy,

Aloid

[Ransack]

The one big discouraging thing for me is that the game is going to be outrageously expensive in Canada if the only way to get it is ordering direct from Shrapnel. I figure the end price to be between $95 and $125 depending on shipping method...

Is there any hope that this will be appearing on store shelves???

Thanks,
Ransack

[Richard]

Hey Tim, sue me I was tired after getting stuff setup Last night http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif.

As far as shipping...

The shipping to Canada is no where NEAR that much, how did you come to that.

And yes we do have eventual plans to land SEIV in stores, eventual plans...

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Sarge is coming...

Richard Arnesen
Director of Covert Ops
Shrapnel Games
http://www.shrapnelgames.com

[Fred]

Richard,

"on the shelves" means to deal with distributors...do yourself a favor and don't do it.
I want every single buck for the developers and not for marketing people or distributors...
I'm old fashioned but wise.. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fred


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[Richard]

No I agree with you.

One reason we started Shrapnel Games was to give developers an alternative to the cutthroat world of mainstream publishing and retail.

However once a certain point of Online sales are done we will be going that route. Nothing is firm yet so go ahead and order up a game http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif.

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Sarge is coming...

Richard Arnesen
Director of Covert Ops
Shrapnel Games
http://www.shrapnelgames.com

[disabled]

Shrapnel is a very nice and excellent publisher. I hope this is one company that sticks around for a long time since I'm very pleased with the service they have provided me.

One question, can you tell the secret?

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[ May 24, 2003, 16:45: Message edited by: General Talashar ]

[lfavre]

One more fine game at Shrapnel.

Golden AGE FOR INTELLIGENT GAMES is back.

[WendellM]

I see that many others share my pleasure that SE IV now has Shrapnel as its publisher. This should be a great partership - it's a "niche" game and Shrapnel is a "niche" publisher ("niche" in both cases meaning "for the select players who enjoy specialized games like this that could be lost in the mass marketplace and eaten up by mass-market fees"). I love games like Master of Orion II, Spaceward Ho! IV, and Imperium Galactica II, so I'm looking forward to Space Empires IV. This is very good news and a great addition to Shrapnel's expanding line-up.

Wendell

[Rambie]

A big thumbs up to MM and Shrapnel Games!

[Lerchey]

For those of you who haven't seen SE IV, I need to say one thing. I am one of the beta-testers and it ROCKS HARD! Much sweeter than SE III (which I love!), and much prettier. Loaded with cool new features too! I can't wait for the full release!

droooool

John

[jars_u]

PRE-ORDER THIS GAME NOW! Ok, so I downloaded the demo from one of the sites listed in this forum and although I have only gone through about 1/2 of the tutorial I am impressed. The menu/tech tree seems very extensive but overall very intuitive. I especially liked the possibilities that exist with the ship creation menu. Shrapnel should be taking some market share in the Space 4x genre from the impersonal publishers with this one. However, I am curious does anyone know why the info on the Shrapnel page says that a demo will not be available until 7 Aug? Is this a different demo then the one available from Maldafor (sp)? At any rate I can’t wait for the full Version, the graphics are very functional and more importantly I think the game play will be excellent, the multi-player possibilities making it even better.

[Lerchey]

While SE IV is pretty fun as a single person game, it's real value comes in as a PBEM game. You'll be able to do turn based (or realtime!!!) games with up to 20 players. And since so much of the game play is configurable, it's just tooooo cool.

So yeah, the multi-player and PBEM possibilities are what really makes SE IV shine.

John

[PvK]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jars_u:
...However, I am curious does anyone know why the info on the Shrapnel page says that a demo will not be available until 7 Aug? ...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think there will be a newer demo Version.

PvK

[Grumbling Grognard]

Did SEIII have the simultanious turns for email play?

Also, any support for internet play planned or is it email only?

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The Grumbling Grognard

[Lerchey]

The concept of "simultaneous email play" is sort of nonsensical. By virtue of the way that PBEM works, it cannot be simultaneous. It's turn based.

SE IV does have simultaneous play as an option. However, in my beta testing I did not try this option. I prefer turn based to real-time.

Hope that helps,

John

[Instar]

One of the most incredible things about the game is its massive customizable features. (SE3 was the same way, but now you can customize EVERYTHING)
I hope that MM wins big with this game! This game is incredible and fun to play.

I was looking at some of the other games. Steel Beasts is a M1A2 sim right? Thats what it looks like.
The combat game thing that says "Used by militaries for training" looks interesting but I have to ask which countries?

[Grumbling Grognard]

The simultanious play option is anything but 'real time'. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/blush.gif The two are completely different.

In the simult. play option moves are plotted by all players and then they are all executed at the same time. It can make for a much more 'realistic' feel sometimes.

For example, take a fast 'scout' and try to catch him with a slow battle cruiser and in IGOUGO turn based it is a black and white issue. Either you have the MPs to reach him this turn or not... BUT in simultanious movement you don't know, it all depends on the move of the scout. If he 'runs' you will never catch him. And that, IMO can be much more 'realistic'.

Give it a try, 'real-time' it is NOT. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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The Grumbling Grognard

[Mike Tremblay]

Hi Again,

Back after a long absence. Imagine my surprise when I get back when I learn among other things that one of my favorite shareware progams is being published by one of my favorite 'independants'.
Yes, SE3 was one of my favorite E4 games along with MOO and MOO2. (enough acronyms? http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif)

Anyway, a few points to make about SE4. I've been playing the demo over the past few days and I find that it's basically an updated Version of SE3 - Not to downrate its quality, it's a very good game, but it's like comparing MOO to MOO2 - improved graphics and gameplay but basically an upgraded Version of an excellent game. Is it a successor to MOO2? Well, in some ways it is and in some ways it isn't. I can't be specific yet, but my feelings about the demo are rather ambiguous. To me SE3 was an improvement on MOO2 in some things but not in others. While SE4 improves some of the things that I felt were lacking in SE3 WRT MOO2, I still don't get an overwhelming sense of that "fuzzy" feeling of rightness. I can't describe it any better than that - I'm sorry - but that's the way it is.
That doesn't stop me from recommending it to others as a game to buy (and one that I will buy - just as I paid for the shareware Version of SE3). It's simply too good a game to pass up and paying for this type of quality ensures that the future of wargaming and true strategy gaming continues.

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Mike Tremblay
"Bitter Mike"

[Tim Brooks]

Instar:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The combat game thing that says "Used by militaries for training" looks interesting but I have to ask which countries?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The US Army for one. The War College is also evaluating BCT, as well as WDK 2K, and Steel Beasts. There are several foreign militaries that are using it as well - all Allies.

Oh and the US Air Force is evaling WDK 2K as well.

Hope that helps.




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Tim Brooks
Shrapnel Games

[Instar]

Thanks, thats pretty neat. I think I might consider getting a few of these games.

[Brian Rock]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The US Army for one. The War College is also evaluating BCT, as well as WDK 2K, and Steel Beasts. There are several foreign militaries that are using it as well - all Allies.

Oh and the US Air Force is evaling WDK 2K as well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now I dearly love WDK 2K, but even so I'm surprised the military is looking at it. Especially the air force, given that WDK doesn't include elevations. Any idea how they plan to use it in their training?

Also, what are your plans to get the military to adopt SEIV? http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif


[This message has been edited by Brian Rock (edited 03 August 2000).]

[Richard]

Yeah right http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.

Actually the militaries interest in those products listed (included WDK2K) came without prodding from us so you would have to ask them http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.

I think SB's and BCT's usefulness as training tools are self evident.

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Sarge is coming...

Richard Arnesen
Director of Covert Ops
Shrapnel Games
http://www.shrapnelgames.com

[Tim Brooks]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Now I dearly love WDK 2K, but even so I'm surprised the military is looking at it. Especially the air force, given that WDK doesn't include elevations. Any idea how they plan to use it in their training?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My understanding is that the Air Force is pissed that there aren't any strategy simulations of modern day air combat. They think that with some changes 2K may work. Of course they may change their mind after eval, but that's my understanding...




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Tim Brooks
Shrapnel Games

[Richard]

Of course there was the article awhile back on strat+ where some portion of the airforce was doing some work with Starcraft.

Go figure...

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Sarge is coming...

Richard Arnesen
Director of Covert Ops
Shrapnel Games
http://www.shrapnelgames.com

[Atrocities]

I do believe this is one of the oldest threads in this forum. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Brought back from the depths by a seriously board Atrocities.

Ah how far we have come since the first days of the Demo. How many of you remember the day the Demo was availible for download? I do. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

That 100 turn limit SUCKED!

[ September 18, 2003, 09:57: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by jars_u:
Space Empires 4... Although I have not played any of the previous Versions I love the 4x space games, and this one looks like a winner. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What do you think? Was SEIV a winner???

[General Woundwort]

Let me put it this way.

There's only been three games I've reloaded onto my computers as I trade them up...

MOO2
HMM2/3
SEIV

There's only one game I've reloaded three times...

SEIV.

[rdouglass]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
...How many of you remember the day the Demo was availible for download? I do. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

That 100 turn limit SUCKED!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I do to, and yes the 100 turn limit did suck.

Do you remember all the threads about hacking the limit... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I bet there were more than 20 threads in the first 2 months...

And IMO SEIV was definitely a winner!

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by rdouglass:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Atrocities:
...How many of you remember the day the Demo was availible for download? I do. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

That 100 turn limit SUCKED!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I do to, and yes the 100 turn limit did suck.

Do you remember all the threads about hacking the limit... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I bet there were more than 20 threads in the first 2 months...

And IMO SEIV was definitely a winner!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I do remember the hack threads at the old SE 4 Forums.

What gets me is that all of the old time posters, the guys who were discussing the game here long before I registared have all but gone.

Whatever happened to
Possum
General Hawkwing
Psitticine
dmm
T (OPN)
Jubala
Baron Munchausen
Instar
Master Belisarius
Tampa_Gamer
Lerchey
jars_u
Tomgs
rdouglass
Resident Alien

And many many many more?

[Mephisto]

Tampa Gamer is eagerly waiting to beta-test SEV while he rides his children on his knees. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Loser]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Whatever happened to
...
Baron Munchausen
Instar
Master Belisarius
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thes guys still make Posts, do they not?

[Baron Munchausen]

I'm about to hit 3000 Posts actually. And rdouglas is still around, he just doesn't post very often.

[mottlee]

Way to cool http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif This is the only game on my system at this time

[Narrew]

grr, that was not nice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I go back to the begining of the thread and start reading (couldnt see the date on the first post, bad color scheme), so I am reading along thinking cool, something is comming down the pike, clicked on the link to the demo, and thought, hey this is not SEV, I am allready playing SEIV, ohh maybe its a patch to do something neat, but I look around and couldnt find anything, so I head back and check the date, ohh you are all evil http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Fyron]

And the thread title still has a typo after all these years. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

i think it's on purpose.

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by Loser:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Atrocities:
Whatever happened to
...
Baron Munchausen
Instar
Master Belisarius
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thes guys still make Posts, do they not?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
At least I'm still around... Currently playing 4 SE4 games and without more time.

[Fyron]

So how is the little trouble maker Gabriel doing? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Azselendor]

Who's Gabriel?

[Fyron]

Well if MB had responded, you'd know by now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Alpha Kodiak]

You'll find Psitticine over in the Dominions 2 forum.

[Kamog]

Wow, this is an old thread...

[Rollo]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
And the thread title still has a typo after all these years. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yess, preciouss...

[Andrés]

Ì was't a member of these forums back then, but I was in the e-group, (now grous.yahoo).

I remember downloading the demo the first night shortly before MM's site went's down due to exeding transfers.

[David E. Gervais]

How's this for taking advantage of a resurected post..

hey Klvino, I couldn't help play with your avatar pic. I ran it through my avatar factory and came up with this..

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1064001266.gif (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newuploads/1064001266.gif)

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Azselendor]

cool! Thanks!

Any chance of getting a larger, 96x96 one?

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
So how is the little trouble maker Gabriel doing? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thanks, growing more and more (3 years and 1 month 1/2). And yea, making trouble...
An example: some weeks ago, he requested me to help him to go to the restroom... He was sleeping and had his penis somewhat up. He looked me and told me: dady, I have a big "pipí" and you have an small "pipí"!
God, I don't know how he did to know my problem! Seriously, don't know how he thinked to tell me that! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Tampa_Gamer]

Originally posted by Mephisto:
Tampa Gamer is eagerly waiting to beta-test SEV while he rides his children on his knees. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Literally, on my knee now (my 5 week old) who has already cost my one keyboard due to "wet burps" (but I am enjoying every minute of it). Anyway, yes, I am eagerly awaiting SE5 and StarFury, my "hobby" time is just next to nil these days, but I still visit this forum and the Gone Gold forum a lot while at work when I can. It looks to be a good gaming winter with StarFury coming out along with UFO: Aftermath, Silent Storm and the ubermod for Jagged Alliance 2 called "Urban Chaos" just wished I had time to play them all!

-TG

[ September 20, 2003, 02:46: Message edited by: Tampa_Gamer ]

[David E. Gervais]

Originally posted by Klvino:
cool! Thanks!

Any chance of getting a larger, 96x96 one?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Gee, the pic in your sig is 100x100. All you need to do is crop it 2 pixels on all sides, brighten it a bit and then sharpen the image.

Paintshop can do all this. I take it you want it for another forum? well, the best I can do is give you the instructions. I hope it helps.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Fyron]

Gots to love them children. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Azselendor]

Yep, That's a winner!

David, PM me the instructions. I thought I used the 96x96 one, guess I'm a little red face now! It doesn't matter however!